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[oddball_bg]

First of all MAJOR SPOILERS ABOUT EVERYTHING!!!I should start with the fact that i am not a mass effect fanatic and just recently completed 3(and thus the whole trilogy,i have all 3 games) and i must say  that this is the third time where a game sticks with me days after completing it and I feel so emotional about what it represents in general(the other two games are bioshock infinite which is my favourite game in the world and braid,which is just pure genius).The whole reveal that The Reapers are actually  constantly restarting the whole organic civilization just to preserve it from destroying itself was absolute shock(in a good emotional way) and was ingenius!And the whole bittersweetness of the entire ending with all 3 main choices felt very very right with a hurricane of emotions in me which i cannot help but share in here.So the reapers are actually nothing but tools,they don't think for their own,they don't have free will and cannot make choices.they are just poor machines designed for one reason.they are not interested in war,as the starchild states.they just do what they are programmed to.and at the end you basically play the role of a god deciding not only the fate of all organic life(and synthetic)but also decide the state of this life(if you choose synthesis with synthetics)thus even creating new kind of consciousness(again,if you choose synthesis)!Many people say that the ending makes most of the choices pointless but that's the beauty of it because it strikes you with something FAR bigger and unexpected than ANY of your choices throughout the whole trilogy!I read somewhere in a post that the whole third game is one big ending and i absolutely agree on that.Your choices matter throughout the whole game(on my second playthrough most of my friends died and i didn't allow Alenko on Normandy just to see what will happen,plus i don't like him that much,and ended up with only 4 squadmates which changes not only the story but even the gameplay as well).So,your previous choices matter throughout the game and at the end you are presented with something so big as a choice that it's hardly comprehensible for a human mind.I felt exactly like Shepard when he just says:"I...I don't know."Very simple and very powerful!I personally chose to destroy the reapers but does this choice doom the entire organic life in the long run by destroying the force that "restarts" it and thus keeping it from destroying itself?!I don't know,and that's the power of it.I guess many people just expected an "I win and let's all have a party in the citadel,drinks are on me!",kind of ending and didn't know what to feel when they were presented with these choices and facts,and,imo,it's exactly what the ending was intended to make you feel!A range of emotions:fear,sadness,joy,bitterness etc.Now,i haven't followed the interviews with bioware prior to the release of the game,so i didn't know what to expect.When i started the game i just knew"the ending is bad,man..." by reading different childish posts.And I experienced one of the most sophisticated,philosophical and emotional thing in a videogame so far!I go on with my daily life,do different things we do in life and just can't stop thinking about it,about the incomprehensible magnitude of it!

So,yeah,i just needed to share it with you guys.I'm sure it's all have been talked to death but i couldn't just say nothing.The whole thing makes you want to talk!Also,i don't know who is the music composer but the music is one of the biggest things that represents the trilogy,it's just so good.It has this 80's futuristic vibe that i noticed from the start of the first game.

I am a hardcore gamer and am usually all about the gameplay and just don't expect a game story to grab me,let alone make me feel different things but mass effect proved me wrong,and i am glad!Each time i watched the endings i was so close to start crying,seeing the struggle of all species,seeing the reapers reason and seeing that there is not one single straightforward solution to all this.IT felt so gentle and poetic!

[Linkenski]

I'm glad you liked it. No, actually I'm not, because it's terrible and cheap.

[themikefest]

That's fine that you liked it.

 

I like the destroy ending. I didn't like Shepard walking towards the tube shooting it when he/she could've shot at it from a distance

[oddball_bg]

I'm glad you liked it. No, actually I'm not, because it's terrible and cheap.

What exactly felt cheap and terrible?What did you expect and want from the ending?

[fraggle]

Glad you enjoyed it, and welcome to your doom

I only finished the Trilogy mid-February this year myself, have replayed it 2 more times since and am currently on my 4th run, and plan to replay it even more after this one. I can't let go of this universe (not yet at least ).

I loved the ending as well and I can relate with pretty much everything you've posted because I felt exactly the same. This ending stayed with me for weeks, I bought all the soundtracks, got all the DLCs and played those, including the Extended Cut, then started a new Shepard right away to experience it again, and tried to analyze the sh*t out of the Catalyst and Reapers because the ending really hit me in a way I wouldn't have expected it. Since February ME is on my mind every day. Only one other game made me almost as obsessed, sad, emotional and attached as ME3, and that was Nier (I highly recommend it, though it's only for XBox and PS3, if you have either of those).

I managed to not spoil myself for all these years, I only knew many people hated the ME3 ending, and when I finished I couldn't understand what was so bad about it. It felt so right for me and I also liked that no choice was straightforward, like you said.

And while far from perfect at times, I found it incredibly fitting and a great end for my Shepard's journey. I also see the whole of ME3 as the end.

 

Now, from discussions I've learned that while some people hate it because there's no happy end, many have issues that you basically need to trust the Catalyst's words, that they didn't know how exactly the Crucible works, that you can't argue with the Catalyst in case you achieved the truce on Rannoch, and many other things. I can understand these issues and wanting to know more, but it was never a big deal for me. I don't know how this would help me with a decision in the end, it's somewhat irrelevant to me. I actually appreciated the fact that it made me feel even more connected to Shepard, because it was as if I felt exactly the same as Shep in this situation.

[voteDC]

Edit: That's something I should have asked. Did you play with the Extended Cut DLC installed?

I liked the ideas behind the shipped endings, I just thought the execution of them was terrible. The Extended Cut went a long way to fix the problems for me.

If the Extended Cut has been the original endings I don't think we would have seen even a fraction of the fuss that was kicked up. People still may not have liked the resolution but they would have seen that genuine effort had been put into them, rather than three pallet swapped sets of cinematics with really quite minor changes.

Personally the only thing I can say I HATE about the endings is how the Reapers went from the menace of the Sovereign conversation in the first Mass Effect to them being nothing but the puppets of a mad AI at the end of the trilogy.

[oddball_bg]

Glad you enjoyed it, and welcome to your doom

I only finished the Trilogy mid-February this year myself, have replayed it 2 more times since and am currently on my 4th run, and plan to replay it even more after this one. I can't let go of this universe (not yet at least ).

I loved the ending as well and I can relate with pretty much everything you've posted because I felt exactly the same. This ending stayed with me for weeks, I bought all the soundtracks, got all the DLCs and played those, including the Extended Cut, then started a new Shepard right away to experience it again, and tried to analyze the sh*t out of the Catalyst and Reapers because the ending really hit me in a way I wouldn't have expected it. Since February ME is on my mind every day. Only one other game made me almost as obsessed, sad, emotional and attached as ME3, and that was Nier (I highly recommend it, though it's only for XBox and PS3, if you have either of those).

I managed to not spoil myself for all these years, I only knew many people hated the ME3 ending, and when I finished I couldn't understand what was so bad about it. It felt so right for me and I also liked that no choice was straightforward, like you said.

And while far from perfect at times, I found it incredibly fitting and a great end for my Shepard's journey. I also see the whole of ME3 as the end.

 

Now, from discussions I've learned that while some people hate it because there's no happy end, many have issues that you basically need to trust the Catalyst's words, that they didn't know how exactly the Crucible works, that you can't argue with the Catalyst in case you achieved the truce on Rannoch, and many other things. I can understand these issues and wanting to know more, but it was never a big deal for me. I don't know how this would help me with a decision in the end, it's somewhat irrelevant to me. I actually appreciated the fact that it made me feel even more connected to Shepard, because it was as if I felt exactly the same as Shep in this situation.

Thank you!I am playing on xbox 360 and I've been interested in Nier for some time ago.I've been eager to get it but many people say the gameplay is not on par with story.I play games for gameplay and challenge in general(i consider myself a hardcore gamer)so is this the case with Nier?

Also I've been thinking about the geth and that it doesn't matter if you unite them if you choose the destroy ending,and,again,that's the beauty of it!Shepard is not a prophet and the ending choice may negate this but the ending is so brilliantly bigger in scope that it negates a lot more choices you've made so far.I mean,if you knew what choice you had to make at the end,would you go around the whole galaxy trying to unite every species?If in real life something you've been fighting for turns out pointless in the end who do you blame,the developers?

[KaiserShep]

What exactly felt cheap and terrible?What did you expect and want from the ending?

I suppose if I really had to pinpoint something that the very last moments of the game could've used, it would be that nice little duo of tension and catharsis. Despite its flaws, I thought Priority: Earth was actually a fair start, but then it felt like a grind of conversations that made me wish for a renegade interrupt that simply had Shepard silently pass whoever is speaking by and just start shooting. 

[oddball_bg]

Edit: That's something I should have asked. Did you play with the Extended Cut DLC installed?

I liked the ideas behind the shipped endings, I just thought the execution of them was terrible. The Extended Cut went a long way to fix the problems for me.

If the Extended Cut has been the original endings I don't think we would have seen even a fraction of the fuss that was kicked up. People still may not have liked the resolution but they would have seen that genuine effort had been put into them, rather than three pallet swapped sets of cinematics with really quite minor changes.

Personally the only thing I can say I HATE about the endings is how the Reapers went from the menace of the Sovereign conversation in the first Mass Effect to them being nothing but the puppets of a mad AI at the end of the trilogy.

First I played with the original ending just to see how it was when released.At the end I was ready for something very stupid,melodramatic or half-assed and when it hit I was:"this is very good and unexpectedly bittersweet!".And i immidiately appreciate it.Not only that but I didn't want to start a second playthrough right away(like I always do) just because I was feeling so sad,frightened and just full of emotions that I needed some time.I was genuinely about to cry at the end(and I am pretty hard to please,especially with video game stories).At that time i didn't even quite grasp the whole of it.Then i installed the extended cut and just saw the endings with it and grasped and analyzed and understood it even more.And then I started a fresh new game insanity.the previous was insanity imported ME2 character but I felt it was too easy.anyway,at the end of my 2nd playthrough it even hit me harder than the first time because i already new what happenes on the way to the end.I mean a super advanced race of machines that restarts the whole organic civilization over and over again through different cycles just to keep it from entirely dissapearing from the face of the galaxy was one almost on par with the ending of "The 6th sense" or "Oldboy"(the korean one,of course,don't bother with the moronic us remake).And none of the choices were straightforward and clear which is the way it had to be done!I very much liked the revelation that the reapers are just powerful machines without any free will  that do what they are programmed to do.Like the big daddies in Bioshock-sad beasts.And that revelation made everyone,even the reapers as fragile and vulnerable as everyone else.I mean,they are battling the very nature of organic life(assuming that's the nature of organic life,it has many natures and it constantly contradicts with itself) just to preserve it.It felt...poetic!Does it mean we are doomed by default,because creating AI that can surpass and rise against us is something that is entirely possible.And every organic life is bound to evolve mentally and phisically!So does it mean doom is encoded in our nature?I don't know,maybe not,because nothing is constant and anything can happen,even something,at first glance,silly with us!I sure hope not,of course,I don't believe it very much myself,I just assume.

Also I don't think The Catalyst is a mad AI(what's the proof?)

[Undead Han]

Welcome to the forum. Here is your Christmas gift:

 

 

Please enjoy!

[DragonRageGT]

Almost absolutely impossible for me to read a foreign language without proper format and paragraphs. (Yeah, English is foreign to me). But I got from replies that you liked the ending. I liked the small effort Bioware made to explain such nonsense ending but it will never beat these!

 

The Synthetics-Organics Paradox

 

 

Mass Effect 3 Final Boss Fight

 

 

The five stages for accepting ME's ending

[Gago]

Glad you liked both Mass Effect and the endings of the third game. I like them too although with the Extended Cut. Which ending did you went for? Maybe you have already answered this and I have missed it. (I noticed you going back and forth with Destroy and Synthesis)

[Dantriges]

Glad you liked it. I finished it in july this year and ym experience was pretty different even when I knew from all the threads that popped up after the ending in other game or roleplaying forums that the end was ehm controversial.

[oddball_bg]

Glad you liked both Mass Effect and the endings of the third game. I like them too although with the Extended Cut. Which ending did you went for? Maybe you have already answered this and I have missed it. (I noticed you going back and forth with Destroy and Synthesis)

The very first time I went with synthesis by accident because I didn't know it would trigger from such a distance.And for a while I even thought that this is the only ending and you don't have choices,although I expected them,seeing the distinct blue light on the left,red light on the right and the beam in the middle.And even while I was thinking that there is only one ending without choices I was absolutely satisfied with it for the range of emotions it left in me.I was thinking:"And this is the ending everyone was ****** about?!!!What were they expecting?A cheap happy childish ending where Shepard just pulls the plug from the reapers and the biggest choice would be whether to go to Afterlife or Purgatory after that!"I felt bittersweetness was the smartest choice because it made you feel uncomfortable,uneasy and full of dread,joy and a whole lot of emotions and this is the sign of a great writing that moves you and stays with you for long to think about,analyze.

After that I installed the extended cut and replayed the auto safe from the end just to see it again extended.And saw the 3 choices clearly(actually 4 if you choose not to do anything,I saw that too)and everything hit me harder and made even more sense in the context.After that I started 2nd playthrough and chose Destroy ending,because that is my resolution but it doesn't mean it's the right one.there is not a right one and that is the power of it.again,that is the sign of a good writing!

Before the extended cut I liked it and with the extended cut it grew on me and I loved it!But even without it I would've been satisfied.I mean,extended cut just adds couple of short cutscenes(maybe a little bit more dialogue) just to resolve things slightly better but it's ultimately the same.But,yeah,I would say it's better with it.

[German Soldier]

Where is the catch?

Are you an employee?

if MEA ending will be as bad as ME3 it will be over for this series

[oddball_bg]

 

Where is the catch?

Are you an employee?

if MEA ending will be as bad as ME3 it will be over for this series

There is no catch!And I'm not an employee.If there is a way to check it,check it.Am a regular gamer like you and honestly liked the ending very much,actually one of the best I have experienced.Why do you think that only because I am on the contrary to the popular opinion I must be lying or something.I am sure many people actually disliked the ending by inertia and that way it turned into this mass hysteria.What did you,personally,expect from the ending?Maybe you and me have different ways to be satisfied  with how a powerful thing should end?However,let me tell you from my experience as an actor(yeah,I am an actor) and by dealing with different dramaturgy texts(theater texts) that the best,most powerful endings don't resolve everything fact by fact and don't give you straight answer to everything and sometimes leave even more questions and speculations.

[DragonRageGT]

I hope the scripts you are given to read are better formatted than the way you write because I can't really read it without having a headache. Space after a period, after commas and paragraphs formatting are kinda essential so the words don't get all mixed up for the reader. (Specially as old as I am) If your spacebar is broken, get a new keyboard.

 

If you like a Deus-Ex Machina ending where the most important character of the play has not been mentioned once in the whole series (like in 150 hours) but just appears out of the blue in the final 5 minutes of a play, well, for me it is a very badly written play.

[oddball_bg]

I hope the scripts you are given to read are better formatted than the way you write because I can't really read it without having a headache. Space after a period, after commas and paragraphs formatting are kinda essential so the words don't get all mixed up for the reader. (Specially as old as I am) If your spacebar is broken, get a new keyboard.

 

If you like a Deus-Ex Machina ending where the most important character of the play has not been mentioned once in the whole series (like in 150 hours) but just appears out of the blue in the final 5 minutes of a play, well, for me it is a very badly written play.

Sorry for my mistakes,English is not my native language.What do you mean the most important character of the play?The most important character is commander Shepard through whom you see the world around you.You talking about the starchild?It's just means to an end(if that's the expression)for the ideas the ending represents.You mean you need more lore around it or what?It's a very well written revelation.You understand that these huge beasts  actually don't have free will and are controlled by this AI and at the end you meet this AI and understand(or not)it's intentions.But the bigger picture and the emphasis of the story is on it's intentions rather than what it actually is and where it came from.

[voteDC]

First I played with the original ending just to see how it was when released. At the end I was ready for something very stupid, melodramatic or half-assed and when it hit I was: "this is very good and unexpectedly bittersweet!". And i immediately appreciate it.

Not only that but I didn't want to start a second playthrough right away (like I always do) just because I was feeling so sad, frightened and just full of emotions that I needed some time. I was genuinely about to cry at the end (and I am pretty hard to please, especially with video game stories). At that time i didn't even quite grasp the whole of it.

Well as the others have said I'm glad you enjoyed those endings, I envy you for that.

However I confess in regard to the shipped endings I just don't see how anyone can see them as a acceptable finale. We get a Shepard who is reduced to a meek and unquestioning puppet, forced to chose from death by electrocution, disintegration, and explosion. Then we have three sets of near identical cinematics and then at the very end a screen telling us to buy more DLC.

Sorry I really do try and see why others like something when I don't. The shipped endings to Mass Effect 3 though is one of those rare occasions where I can't see why.

Again I really do envy the enjoyment you were able to get from them. personally I felt, and still do feel, more involved and emotional at the text slides at the end of Dragon Age: Origins than I do at the shipped endings of ME3.

 

 

Also I don't think The Catalyst is a mad AI(what's the proof?)

It ties into your other statements above. It harvests even when there is no threat to organic life.

The Protheans were winning the Metacon War before the Reapers attacked. The Geth in this cycle only became actively hostile to the rest of the galaxy when under the influence of the Reapers, the Quarians were winning before the Reaper signal.

So the Catalyst is actively creating the very threat it claims that it wants to stop and harvests when Synthetics aren't going to even get close to wiping out all organic life. How many cycles are there where there were no synthetics.

If it isn't mad then it is very close.

[oddball_bg]

Well as the others have said I'm glad you enjoyed those endings, I envy you for that.

However I confess in regard to the shipped endings I just don't see how anyone can see them as a acceptable finale. We get a Shepard who is reduced to a meek and unquestioning puppet, forced to chose from death by electrocution, disintegration, and explosion. Then we have three sets of near identical cinematics and then at the very end a screen telling us to buy more DLC.

Sorry I really do try and see why others like something when I don't. The shipped endings to Mass Effect 3 though is one of those rare occasions where I can't see why.

Again I really do envy the enjoyment you were able to get from them. personally I felt, and still do feel, more involved and emotional at the text slides at the end of Dragon Age: Origins than I do at the shipped endings of ME3.

 

It ties into your other statements above. It harvests even when there is no threat to organic life.

The Protheans were winning the Metacon War before the Reapers attacked. The Geth in this cycle only became actively hostile to the rest of the galaxy when under the influence of the Reapers, the Quarians were winning before the Reaper signal.

So the Catalyst is actively creating the very threat it claims that it wants to stop and harvests when Synthetics aren't going to even get close to wiping out all organic life. How many cycles are there where there were no synthetics.

If it isn't mad then it is very close.

Ok,what did you expect?Shepard,the biggest badass of the galaxy just shuts down the reapers and everything continues as it was?Throughout the whole game one of the main themes is sacrifice,so you have to be really in denial not to expect something like that from the ending.I just didn't expect it to be as big as it was and that was amazing!Or you wanted to understand fact by fact where everybody goes and what everybody does after the events?

And synthetics are not only geth and nothing else.Synthetic life is everywhere in this universe,including one of your sqadmates and they can destroy you not only by means of war.Shepard himself/herself has machines in him/her.

[AlanC9]

Ok,what did you expect?Shepard,the biggest badass of the galaxy just shuts down the reapers and everything continues as it was?Throughout the whole game one of the main themes is sacrifice,so you have to be really in denial not to expect something like that from the ending.

But on the other hand, Shepard can duck most of those sacrifices through good gameplay. It isn't crazy for a player to end up thinking that ME is all about finding a way around the hard choices.

[Undead Han]

But on the other hand, Shepard can duck most of those sacrifices through good gameplay. It isn't crazy for a player to end up thinking that ME is all about finding a way around the hard choices.

 

Mass Effect 2 was perhaps the biggest offender with that.

 

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[DragonRageGT]

Sorry for my mistakes,English is not my native language.What do you mean the most important character of the play?The most important character is commander Shepard through whom you see the world around you.You talking about the starchild?It's just means to an end(if that's the expression)for the ideas the ending represents.You mean you need more lore around it or what?It's a very well written revelation.You understand that these huge beasts  actually don't have free will and are controlled by this AI and at the end you meet this AI and understand(or not)it's intentions.But the bigger picture and the emphasis of the story is on it's intentions rather than what it actually is and where it came from.

 

You make no mistakes whatsoever with your English. It is pretty good. But you don't realize that when words are glued to each other with no space, it makes reading and understanding a very difficult task.

 

And yes, I was talking about the starchild. It is the worst plot developement ever. Its intentions are so mad that you should view the picture I posted above and try to understand it. About the The Synthetics-Organics Paradox.

[oddball_bg]

You make no mistakes whatsoever with your English. It is pretty good. But you don't realize that when words are glued to each other with no space, it makes reading and understanding a very difficult task.

 

And yes, I was talking about the starchild. It is the worst plot developement ever. Its intentions are so mad that you should view the picture I posted above and try to understand it. About the The Synthetics-Organics Paradox.

Ok,let's say that you know for sure that the fate of organic life is to destroy itself exactly because of it's technological advancement.So,the only solution(and a desperate one at that) is to constantly restart this organic life,and thus bringing it back at the start of it's development only to be sure it will exist in general.It's unspeakable,incomprehensible and I find this fascinating!And it doesn't even matter that The Reapers are tech machines.I like the general idea!It would be OK for me if The Reapers weren't tech but,let's say,some sort of gods.As I said,I like the idea.

[Satele-Shan87]

That's fine that you liked it.

 

I like the destroy ending. I didn't like Shepard walking towards the tube shooting it when he/she could've shot at it from a distance

My thoughts exactly