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[DragonRageGT]

Dude,seriously!!!How old are you?He may have played it offline or with another profile!What exactly are you trying to prove?

I'm old enough to know how to write sentences and put bloody spaces where spaces are required. Orthography is not an empty concept.

 

And if he has played it offline, let him say it. (the achievements would still be unlocked). If he used another account to play the game, he wouldn't need to have the game registered under this profile. Unless he bought two or more games and registered them under two or more profiles, which is a waste of money but some crazy people do just to post with different profiles, perhaps? Why are you getting involved in this?

[Deager]

LOL. This thread took a dark turn.

[oddball_bg]

I'm old enough to know how to write sentences and put bloody spaces where spaces are required. Orthography is not an empty concept.

 

And if he has played it offline, let him say it. (the achievements would still be unlocked). If he used another account to play the game, he wouldn't need to have the game registered under this profile. Unless he bought two or more games and registered them under two or more profiles, which is a waste of money but some crazy people do just to post with different profiles, perhaps? Why are you getting involved in this?

Because i don't understand what this has to do with what we are discussing!What the fact that you played the multiplayer a lot has to do with whether he shoots on his knees or not!And imagine,for example,he played it with his friend's profile or he played it and deleted his profile for some reason.And even if he haven't played the game,he could've watched someone else play it.

[oddball_bg]

LOL. This thread took a dark turn.

You are right!Not exactly a dark turn but more silly and nitpicky one!Anyway,I'll get back to discussing the important things.

[DragonRageGT]

Because i don't understand what this has to do with what we are discussing!What the fact that you played the multiplayer a lot has to do with whether he shoots on his knees or not!And imagine,for example,he played it with his friend's profile or he played it and deleted his profile for some reason.And even if he haven't played the game,he could've watched someone else play it.

 The Unlocked achievements means I played the single player a lot. It has to do with the fact that I've been called an idiot because I test the game to its limits and find its flaws and bad coding. And sometimes I make videos of those. At the same time, I made lots of videos praising the game, with the best scenes and stuff. I'm just an ME fan as the next guy but I'm not a fan boy who can't see past the flaws and bad writing when they are there.

 

ME3 Playlist

https://www.youtube....AEE6E0FEEE62301

 

ME2 Playlist

https://www.youtube....4aHcNJBfEbibB8x

 

See, I try to make glitches into funny stuff but couldn't do anything about ME3 ending!

[AlanC9]

Have you ever played the game? No achievements at all? (They are SP achievements) Who's the idiot again?

Dude.... really? You think an achievement list proves anything? As you should have recognized, I've never bothered to give Origin permission to release any of my data. Never saw the point, although I'm kind of surprised that it didn't just default to "on." Maybe you have to use MP once to activate this or something.

Edit: looks like I have Origin set to let no one view my profile. I guess it defaulted to that since I don't give a damn about this stuff. I didn't even know where the option was.

Anyway, even if I was so terrible at ME3 that I couldn't get past the prologue, I'd still be smart enough to not hit the fire button unless I was actually going to shoot at something.

[AlanC9]

The Unlocked achievements means I played the single player a lot. It has to do with the fact that I've been called an idiot because I test the game to its limits and find its flaws and bad coding.

Actually, I was only calling people who trigger the bug by accident idiots. Triggering it because you're running around doing random things to see what breaks is a waste of time, but it isn't idiocy as long as you enjoy running around doing random stuff to see what breaks.

[oddball_bg]

Actually, I was only calling people who trigger the bug by accident idiots. Triggering it because you're running around doing random things to see what breaks is a waste of time, but it isn't idiocy as long as you enjoy running around doing random stuff to see what breaks.

Exactly!What is he trying to prove?Every single game can be broken,every single game has glitches.The whole Mass Effect 3 experience is very polished and smooth!This bug is so desperately nitpicky!It's not even a bug,it's something small that they overlooked.Anyway,as I said I'll go back to the more important things. 

[Mlady]

After beating it for the first time last night, I really enjoyed the ending I chose. Perhaps it's because of how I played out all 3 games and the choices I made, but the ending for my Shepard was rather perfect (I chose to save the Krogan and make peace between the Quarian and Geth).

 

My Shepard's final run was great! She had formed a close bond with Garrus and Javik, so when she left them and Javik reached out to her, I thought it was so sweet. I romanced Thane and stayed true to him, and he was the last person she thought of before she "died" and then Kaiden who loved her, but she never romanced and became good friends with, was the one to place her name on the memorial, but he refused to do it knowing Shepard was still alive. I lost Mordin, Thane, Legion, EDI and Anderson, but everyone else lived (everyone made it through the ME2 suicide mission, crewmates as well) so I was pleased and now that everyone's rebuilding, I headcanon EDI will be restored somehow, and maybe the Geth if the Quarian do it right this time.

 

I understand many disliked the endings, but for me, this just seemed to work for my first PT.

[voteDC]

Ok,what did you expect? Shepard, the biggest badass of the galaxy just shuts down the reapers and everything continues as it was? Throughout the whole game one of the main themes is sacrifice, so you have to be really in denial not to expect something like that from the ending. I just didn't expect it to be as big as it was and that was amazing! Or you wanted to understand fact by fact where everybody goes and what everybody does after the events?
 

And synthetics are not only geth and nothing else.Synthetic life is everywhere in this universe,including one of your squadmates and they can destroy you not only by means of war.Shepard himself/herself has machines in him/her.

What did I expect? I actually expected the Crucible to be a red herring planted by the Reapers in an effort to get people to waste resources on a vain hope instead of enhancing the shields, armour, and weapons of their ships.

I expected Shepard to put up an argument and not just passively accept the word of something that just said it created and controls the Reapers. I expected Shepard to realise that AIs have a 'bluebox' which if destroyed effectively kills the AI. I expected a last desperate journey to shutdown the Catalyst and then watch my war assets come into play. I expected each ending to be unique  and more than a trio of palette swaps.

Again I didn't hate the ideas presented, I just hated the execution of them.

True synthetics are not only Geth but how many hostile ones do we actually encounter? The Geth when left alone were not hostile, only under Reaper influence did they become so.

EDI I suppose if you count Mass Effect 1, but that was the actions of a child lashing out. When she fully developed, cooperative with organics.

The gambling AI in Mass Effect 1 was definitely hostile, so there's one. And the 'hybrid' created during Overlord for number two.

So where was the threat to all organic life? The Overlord? Why not just simply wipe that out instead of harvesting all advanced civilisations? Why did they wipe out the Protheans instead of supporting their winning war against the Metacons?

In the two cycles we have knowledge of the Reapers invaded not because there was a threat to all organic life, but rather that it was simply time to do it. The Catalyst has become the very threat that it was created to counter.

[rossler]

Shepard does argue things during the Catalyst scene. Just doesn't talk about what you wanted him to talk about.

 

You don't need some big giant Star Wars-esque battle sequence at the end to convey a victory over the Reapers. The Crucible firing and taking down all the Reapers was very fitting.

 

This goes for Priority Earth too. People didn't like the lack of war assets coming into play, even if it was just a number and not a cinematic sequence. A game developer talks about how if you want a big feature like this, you would have to chop something else out of the game to make up for it. All the while staying within their budget and release date for the game. Can't have your war asset cinematics and everything else your wish list of things. Sacrifices will have to be made. 

[AlanC9]

What did I expect? I actually expected the Crucible to be a red herring planted by the Reapers in an effort to get people to waste resources on a vain hope instead of enhancing the shields, armour, and weapons of their ships.

Hmm... it's not an unreasonable thing to expect, but what sort of non-Crucible plan B did you expect?

I mean, saying that you expected this...

I expected Shepard to put up an argument and not just passively accept the word of something that just said it created and controls the Reapers. I expected Shepard to realise that AIs have a 'bluebox' which if destroyed effectively kills the AI. I expected a last desperate journey to shutdown the Catalyst and then watch my war assets come into play.

... is a bit silly, since the Catalyst's nature isn't revealed until the final conversation before the ending. Unless you suddenly started expecting a whole new gameplay sequence after that conversation ended? Even so, I don't see how one can simultaneously expect both these things.

[oddball_bg]

What did I expect? I actually expected the Crucible to be a red herring planted by the Reapers in an effort to get people to waste resources on a vain hope instead of enhancing the shields, armour, and weapons of their ships.

I expected Shepard to put up an argument and not just passively accept the word of something that just said it created and controls the Reapers. I expected Shepard to realise that AIs have a 'bluebox' which if destroyed effectively kills the AI. I expected a last desperate journey to shutdown the Catalyst and then watch my war assets come into play. I expected each ending to be unique  and more than a trio of palette swaps.

Again I didn't hate the ideas presented, I just hated the execution of them.

True synthetics are not only Geth but how many hostile ones do we actually encounter? The Geth when left alone were not hostile, only under Reaper influence did they become so.

EDI I suppose if you count Mass Effect 1, but that was the actions of a child lashing out. When she fully developed, cooperative with organics.

The gambling AI in Mass Effect 1 was definitely hostile, so there's one. And the 'hybrid' created during Overlord for number two.

So where was the threat to all organic life? The Overlord? Why not just simply wipe that out instead of harvesting all advanced civilisations? Why did they wipe out the Protheans instead of supporting their winning war against the Metacons?

In the two cycles we have knowledge of the Reapers invaded not because there was a threat to all organic life, but rather that it was simply time to do it. The Catalyst has become the very threat that it was created to counter.

I think it's perfectly clear Shepard is absolutely overwhelmed by what's going on.It's like meeting with a god.Look how calmly he talks,even when he puts arguments.Like talking to a child.As good as he is he is still a human being that meets this godly force that wipes out entire civilizations.I mean,what will happen if you are on his/her place?"Ah,screw you,where is the bluebox?!I don't believe any of this,although IT'S HAPPENING RIGHT NOW!".

 

And what I meant is that synthetic life can replace organic life not only by slaughtering it.

[voteDC]

Hmm... it's not an unreasonable thing to expect, but what sort of non-Crucible plan B did you expect?

I mean, saying that you expected this...


... is a bit silly, since the Catalyst's nature isn't revealed until the final conversation before the ending. Unless you suddenly started expecting a whole new gameplay sequence after that conversation ended? Even so, I don't see how one can simultaneously expect both these things.

Why should I not expect both? The false ending is a trope that has been used across all forms of media, including games. I'm not saying that should have been the only option but it should have been one of them.

 

I think it's perfectly clear Shepard is absolutely overwhelmed by what's going on.It's like meeting with a god.

"There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign."

 

"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!". Commander Shepard to Sovereign.

Shepard has already met a God and told it in no uncertain terms to...go away.

 

And what I meant is that synthetic life can replace organic life not only by slaughtering it.

Quite true. Organic life as we know it is destroyed by picking synthesis.

[Madfox11]

I have no issues with the ending from a story point of view, especially not with the expansion DLC. I did had issue with the change in the mechanics of fighting with that last 'fight'. I had really trouble getting past those three husks and one marauder. Maybe I am a crap player who relies a bit too much on his armor and the ability to duck for cover and/or use the powers of my class, but even though I finished the game at the hardest difficulty with relative ease, that particular scene was filled with frustration for me. It was then followed with at least 20 minutes of conversation (which involved skimming past some) and struggling through an empty corridor. I like my boss fights as a good ending to a game

[oddball_bg]

Why should I not expect both? The false ending is a trope that has been used across all forms of media, including games. I'm not saying that should have been the only option but it should have been one of them.

 

"There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign."

 

"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!". Commander Shepard to Sovereign.

Shepard has already met a God and told it in no uncertain terms to...go away.

 

Quite true. Organic life as we know it is destroyed by picking synthesis.

Yeah,but it's one thing to talk to this force without experiencing it's full power and potential,and another,talking after the whole organic life is barely surviving it's sweep.Especially when you are presented with the reasons for doing it!I don't mean it's out of fear or anything.It's just the sheer magnitude of it that is absolutely overwhelming,even for  Shepard.Especially when you understand that their intentions are not resources,power or something wars are fought for,but preservation.

 

And what I meant is that synthetic life is so deeply rooted into everyday organic life in this universe that it may be not long before it starts to take it's role as a main thing.It also boost questions like,is synth life even a form of life,what defines life-free choice,soul(what is soul then)and so many questions.The idea that our advancement is actually our doom and that we constantly have to be brought back to dark age just so that we can exist makes me feel so uneasy and full of questions and I love it!The perfect ending for a perfectly believable world(in terms of,technology,species etc.) is this world to be destroyed(or at least significantly changed) exactly because it's too perfect and cannot hold on its own!

 

From what I understand from your post you expected the revelations to be on a much smaller domestic degree.

[angol fear]

"There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension. I am Sovereign."

 

"You're just a machine, and machines can be broken!". Commander Shepard to Sovereign.

Shepard has already met a God and told it in no uncertain terms to...go away.

 

Did you notice that between Mass Effect 1 and 3 there are years? Did you notice that Shepard was tired of trying to stop the reapers since mass effect 2 DLC ?

[dorktainian]

That's fine that you liked it.

 

I like the destroy ending. I didn't like Shepard walking towards the tube shooting it when he/she could've shot at it from a distance

 

for what it's worth, I see shepard shooting the tube as very symbolic, in as far as severing his ties (albeit unknowingly) to the reapers.  Think of it as destroying the reapers effect on his mind, after destroying the human reaper took away their effect on his body (implants).

 

OP.  ME3's ending was bad, you know it was bad.  fair play if you enjoyed it, but to describe it as brilliant is just wrong.

[oddball_bg]

for what it's worth, I see shepard shooting the tube as very symbolic, in as far as severing his ties (albeit unknowingly) to the reapers.  Think of it as destroying the reapers effect on his mind, after destroying the human reaper took away their effect on his body (implants).

 

OP.  ME3's ending was bad, you know it was bad.  fair play if you enjoyed it, but to describe it as brilliant is just wrong.

"OP.  ME3's ending was bad, you know it was bad.  fair play if you enjoyed it, but to describe it as brilliant is just wrong."

 

You can't be serious!

[angol fear]

OP.  ME3's ending was bad, you know it was bad.  fair play if you enjoyed it, but to describe it as brilliant is just wrong.

 

That's your point of view. Objectively it wasn't bad. The majority here can say it's bad, the ending won't turn into a bad ending. Quality is not connected to popularity. You disliked it, many people here disliked it, that's just opinion. There's no "objective" truth in what you said.

[themikefest]

for what it's worth, I see shepard shooting the tube as very symbolic, in as far as severing his ties (albeit unknowingly) to the reapers.  Think of it as destroying the reapers effect on his mind, after destroying the human reaper took away their effect on his body (implants).

You can see it as symbolic if you want. I don't. If I can hit a target from 50 feet, why would I want to hit it from 3 feet especially if the thing explodes?

[oddball_bg]

That's your point of view. Objectively it wasn't bad. The majority here can say it's bad, the ending won't turn into a bad ending. Quality is not connected to popularity. You disliked it, many people here disliked it, that's just opinion. There's no "objective" truth in what you said.

Very,very well said!

[Applepie_Svk]

What exactly felt cheap and terrible?What did you expect and want from the ending?

 

The first of all, it created so many plotholes that only to fill them required conspiracy theory. If writers couldn´t come into the conclusion of how bad and ambiguous endings are(which happened, but lead writers kicked out outhers out of discussion).Then they were shocked when people required more and even created IT just to fit those plotholes and stuff.

 

I had an issue with this writing since the I first time managed to get to Mars archives and got to the whole Deus Ex concept, Crucible was never ever explained and that´s was so stupid. And I would even say that it´s implied by Vendetta the possibility of Crucible being just a tool to Catalist. 

Ironically the best ending was actually the one which came with Extended Cut, because they screwed up this whole trilogy so much that I was rather glad to see burn whole cycle.

[voteDC]

Yeah,but it's one thing to talk to this force without experiencing it's full power and potential,and another,talking after the whole organic life is barely surviving it's sweep.Especially when you are presented with the reasons for doing it!I don't mean it's out of fear or anything.It's just the sheer magnitude of it that is absolutely overwhelming,even for  Shepard.Especially when you understand that their intentions are not resources,power or something wars are fought for,but preservation.

But it's not preservation. Nothing of the harvested species remains. Nothing of their culture is present, all that is there is Reaper. Genetic goop is not what those races were.

 

Did you notice that between Mass Effect 1 and 3 there are years? Did you notice that Shepard was tired of trying to stop the reapers since mass effect 2 DLC ?

Far less for Shepard. After all for two years of the time Shepard was in a coma on a Cerberus station.

Yes Shepard was tired but does that mean Shepard would just give in and accept the word of the enemy? I guess my Shepards and your own really are played quite differently.

Which ties into what Oddball says above. Yes Shepard may be awed by the scale of things. Then they'd remember their crew, their friends, their lover, and think "I'm not going to stand for your nonsense." Standing on the side of the Citadel tower looking up at Sovereign didn't stop Shepard.

 

And what I meant is that synthetic life is so deeply rooted into everyday organic life in this universe that it may be not long before it starts to take it's role as a main thing.It also boost questions like,is synth life even a form of life,what defines life-free choice,soul(what is soul then)and so many questions.The idea that our advancement is actually our doom and that we constantly have to be brought back to dark age just so that we can exist makes me feel so uneasy and full of questions and I love it!The perfect ending for a perfectly believable world(in terms of,technology,species etc.) is this world to be destroyed(or at least significantly changed) exactly because it's too perfect and cannot hold on its own!

But it isn't deeply rooted into the societies of the Mass Effect universe. After seeing what it did to the Quarians the Council put a stop to it, with even research on it limited to the fringes of society.

So where is this big synthetic threat the Reapers have come to preserve us from? They are harvesting because it is time to do so, not because of the conflict between synthetics and organics.
 

 

From what I understand from your post you expected the revelations to be on a much smaller domestic degree.

Kind of.

There is a good line in a terrible movie (The Core) where one character says "I can't think about saving the world, it's too big. I'm doing this to save one person".

I wasn't there to save the Quarians, I was there because of Tali. I wasn't fighting side by side with the turians, I was there with my brother Garrus.

As I've said before I liked the ideas behind the shipped endings, just not their execution. Bioware in telling their grand ending, forgot the characters that made us want to get there. Which is why I find the Extended Cut so good, it added back the personal to the grand.

[rossler]

Why should I not expect both? The false ending is a trope that has been used across all forms of media, including games. I'm not saying that should have been the only option but it should have been one of them.

 

Because like my game developer article states, in order to accommodate something like this, they wouldn't just tweak the final cutscene cinematic. The entire game is based around finding the plans for the Crucible, gathering people to help build it, and setting it off at the end. You'd have to make an entirely different game essentially. That is why it wasn't feasible to do so. It would blow the budget and deadline for the game.

 

Bioware in telling their grand ending, forgot the characters that made us want to get there. Which is why I find the Extended Cut so good, it added back the personal to the grand.

I didn't need to have the game show everyone's plans after the war. They kind of touch on it earlier in the game if you talk to them. So they're just regurgitating the same information.

 

I wasn't there to save the Quarians, I was there because of Tali. I wasn't fighting side by side with the turians, I was there with my brother Garrus.

The Quarian arc isn't really about hanging out with Tali. The point of it was to make a truce between the Geth and Quarians to help take on the Reapers. If you are only able to convince one side, then your chances against the Reapers will diminish.

 

Garrus' story wasn't really about hanging out with Garrus either.

 

You needed Turian support for the Reaper war, and in order to get it, you had to do them a few favors. In addition to if you wanted the Krogan, Salarians, and Turians to work together for the war, these jobs had to be done. Say without Turians getting along, you might not be able to cure the Genophage, which would result in less Krogran & Turian troops, which in turn would affect how you fare with the Reapers.

 

If Mordin is dead in ME2, and you destroyed Maelons' data, your chances of getting everyone to work together to fight the Reapers are even slimmer.