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[Quarian Master Race]

No there is criticism then there is what many players direct towards BioWare. Criticism is as example someone pointing out the initial start of Priority Rannoch is set on very shaky ground. They obviously wanted the conflict between Quarians and Geth to be solved but the inital start to explain it wasn't well done. Then there is Lakus stating very clearly that shooting the Catalyst is BioWare purposefully being trolling ass hole to players and no one calling him out on that but me apparently. To a couple of people I don't remember which exactly claiming how stupid the Beam run is claiming they should have done X or Y which after watching he video is exactly what they did. Coming down to Themikefest claiming all they had to do to distract Harbinger was fire some assault rifles at it. As if some assault rifle fire at a 2KM long Reaper capable of withstanding direct hits from Dreadnought class ships would suddenly be bothered by small arms fire enough to distract it from the one and only purpose it had for leaving the space battle. All because themmikefest wanted BioWare to be idiots in how they set it up. During QMR's 200k character post to me he went onto list many reason why BioWare even putting Shepard into the Quarian conflict was completely idiotic. Many of those reasons were sheer but pulls. Like listing Shepard being saved from a falling elevator by Tali as if that could only possibly happen to Shepard as well as fanboying it up like you would expect someone who picked the name Quarian Master Race would about the Quarians.

 

HAHAHAHA. Oh god, how did I miss this salt? You whining about me across multiple threads? Damn dude, go outside or something.

By the way, this post presents a textbook example of your garbage argumentative style, and resultingly, why no one tends to take you seriously. Case in point.....

 

Choosing to ignore rather key or important bits like the fact without Legion to disable the Geth Dreadnought the Geth would have no reason to leave the group alone meaning that Quarian Marine squad would face a fight to the drive core and back. Which even getting to that point is ignoring the fact that the Geth upgraded by the Reaper Code would not be able to be hacked long enough to get even a 10th of his claimed Quarian Marine forces onto the ship. Given that normal Geth can only be hacked for a short period of time. Only EDI who her self is also a full AI upgraded with Reaper Code fragments as well putting her as an equal to the upgraded Geth would have a chance to breach their firewall and open the door long enough for Shepard's crew to get into it.

So where is your source for this bit of information in the bold? As far as I can tell, EDI has literally one line that even remotely relates to (and I use that phrase loosely) anything you've stated here. Right after dropping out of FTL, when it states verbaitum

"my cyberwarfare suite has accessed their docking protocols"
source https://www.youtube....us1n1ug#t=9m06s

and........that's it. That's the line. It isn't "my unique reaper upgraded cyberwarfare suite has hacked the geth Dreadnought, good thing you brought me because I'm the only one who possibly could have done this", nor is such ever implied at any other point (say, in the pre mission briefing, where EDI isn't even mentioned as part of the assault plan). Exclusivity is certainly never implied, and it's practically a throwaway line that probably could have been omitted at no detriment to the narrative, yet you've taken it and run headlong with a bunch of baseless supposition into an unsupported conclusion that seemingly only makes any sense to you.

By the way, where did you get the information that geth can't be hacked for very long? Legion's boasts? I mean that thing never lies about things like the code running it, amirite? Anyway, Admiral Xen obviously disagrees.


I'm not going to continue the OT argument over Rannoch as you seem to have missed the point I was making completely, which is that due to the ease with which the organics can (or should be able to) defeat the synthetics, and that they synthetics need to artificially be given Reaper tech to even stand a chance of surviving, the Rannoch Arc is either irrelevant to or thematically inconsistent with the "synthetics will destroy all organics" Reaper logic the plot is supposed to be based around (not that the Quarians are godlike Übermensch as you seem to be attempting to strawman the broader argument into). This isn't necessarily a problem with the arc itself, rather the way it fits into the overarching narrative.

Anyway, I merely wished to point out the reason why attempting to debate you is a pointless excercise. No matter how many times you're utterly schlonged, you'll get really salty, completely ignore counterarguments to your (garbage) talking points and invent a bunch of brand new, equally irrelevant, poorly sourced red herrings out of thin air for people to respond to, based on what I can only assume is stoner logic and a desire not to "lose". Having participated in debate clubs, Model UN/Senate, Student Government etc. since secondary school, I've seen it before. It's essentially a corrupted form of argumentum verbosium used by people who have no idea what they're talking about, and instead attempt to "argue" by simply throwing so much volume of verbal feces that eventually something might stick, or the opposition will simply give up attempting to address it all out of sheer lack of time.

Go ahead and keep crying about everyone being "toxic" because they don't agree with your nonsense. The only toxicity in these threads are the toxic effects reading your posts has on the brain cells of the average person. On the upside....

 

 

When you take scraps of existing and established cannon and you use it to construct a completely made up implausible but only to you when looking at other established cannon

at least you haven't lost the absolutely hilarious irony, even though I now doubt you're actually aware of it.

[BloodyMares]

QMR, I don't know why I read your post in Xen's voice.

[Prince Enigmatic]

QMR, I don't know why I read your post in Xen's voice.

 

Rereading the post, in Xen's voice, made the post so much more solid. 

 

I also imagine now, that after every solid post and argument QMR presents, she casually folds her arms Xen style and approvingly nods. 

[Quarian Master Race]

QMR, I don't know why I read your post in Xen's voice.

my sig actually used to instruct people to do just that, though my diction and demeanor often don't really match so much nowadays.

[Natureguy85]

Using any of his solutions to try to "fix" the Galaxy is like giving a massive, and brutally destructive, dose of radiotherapy to someone who doesn't actually have cancer.

Of course, the response is that he might get cancer eventually.

my sig actually used to instruct people to do just that, though my diction and demeanor often don't really match so much nowadays.

You have the tone, but Xen would be much less wordy. Not that I minded.

[gothpunkboy89]

HAHAHAHA. Oh god, how did I miss this salt? You whining about me across multiple threads? Damn dude, go outside or something.

By the way, this post presents a textbook example of your garbage argumentative style, and resultingly, why no one tends to take you seriously. Case in point.....

 

So where is your source for this bit of information in the bold? As far as I can tell, EDI has literally one line that even remotely relates to (and I use that phrase loosely) anything you've stated here. Right after dropping out of FTL, when it states verbaitum

"my cyberwarfare suite has accessed their docking protocols"
source

and........that's it. That's the line. It isn't "my unique reaper upgraded cyberwarfare suite has hacked the geth Dreadnought, good thing you brought me because I'm the only one who possibly could have done this", nor is such ever implied at any other point (say, in the pre mission briefing, where EDI isn't even mentioned as part of the assault plan). Exclusivity is certainly never implied, and it's practically a throwaway line that probably could have been omitted at no detriment to the narrative, yet you've taken it and run headlong with a bunch of baseless supposition into an unsupported conclusion that seemingly only makes any sense to you.

By the way, where did you get the information that geth can't be hacked for very long? Legion's boasts? I mean that thing never lies about things like the code running it, amirite? Anyway, Admiral Xen obviously disagrees.


I'm not going to continue the OT argument over Rannoch as you seem to have missed the point I was making completely, which is that due to the ease with which the organics can (or should be able to) defeat the synthetics, and that they synthetics need to artificially be given Reaper tech to even stand a chance of surviving, the Rannoch Arc is either irrelevant to or thematically inconsistent with the "synthetics will destroy all organics" Reaper logic the plot is supposed to be based around (not that the Quarians are godlike Übermensch as you seem to be attempting to strawman the broader argument into). This isn't necessarily a problem with the arc itself, rather the way it fits into the overarching narrative.

Anyway, I merely wished to point out the reason why attempting to debate you is a pointless excercise. No matter how many times you're utterly schlonged, you'll get really salty, completely ignore counterarguments to your (garbage) talking points and invent a bunch of brand new, equally irrelevant, poorly sourced red herrings out of thin air for people to respond to, based on what I can only assume is stoner logic and a desire not to "lose". Having participated in debate clubs, Model UN, Student Government etc. since high school, I've seen it before. It's essentially a corrupted form of argumentum verbosium used by people who have no idea what they're talking about, and instead attempt to "argue" by simply throwing so much volume of verbal feces that eventually something might stick, or the opposition will simply give up attempting to address it all out of sheer lack of time.

Go ahead and keep crying about everyone being "toxic" because they don't agree with your nonsense. The only toxicity in these threads are the toxic effects reading your posts has on the brain cells of the average person. On the upside....

 

at least you haven't lost the absolutely hilarious irony, even though I now doubt you're actually aware of it.

 

Nah you just make the perfect recent example. Great for people who don't want to have to dig though page after page after page to find said examples.

 

It is already well established cannon that Geth can not be hacked for more then a few seconds. Anything longer then a few seconds and they delete recent changes and restore back up from archives. This is why the Quarians were using bullets instead of computers to try and retake Rannoch. If all it took was a few key strokes to get the Geth to leave Rannoch they would have already. Be it Geth, Quarian, Human, Turian, Asari, Salarian, Batarian or even Elcor. A ship having their ship's docking protocol activated when there was no plan to have a ship docked would instantly have them attempting to stop it. Shutting down the protocol so that their ship couldn't be accessed.  The difference is the Geth are literally the ship and capable of reacting at speeds organics are incapable of.  Then entire history of the Geth is based on Geth > Organics in terms of hacking. And this is before their processing power is upgraded thanks to the Reaper code.

 

EDI being the only other fully formed AI in the system is the only one with the speed and reaction time to match the equally upgraded Geth. Or to put it another way:

 

https://youtu.be/DkjrAaVXuz4?t=2m35s

 

EDI: Brining the crew up to speed would have been counterproductive. All attempts to help would have been limited by reaction time.

 

And much like trying to access the docking protocols to allow Shepard into the ship EDI was only trying to access the Prothean data stolen from the Mars Archive. She purposefully left the crew in the dark because she knew in a clash between two AI's organics wouldn't be able to help due to the massive reaction time differences. This reason is also why TIM even created her in the first place and installed her on the Normandy. Because he knew the Collectors had access to much higher levels of tech and no organic being could react with the speed needed to hack any of their systems.

 

As for Geth not being able to be hacked for more then a few seconds:

 

https://youtu.be/ChMZrOEq8k8?t=5m8s

 

Shepard: I thought Geth couldn't be hacked or get viruses? At least for more then a few seconds.

Legion: Altered programs are restored from archive, new installations are deleted.

 

The funny thing is if they actually let AI's behave as AI or even semi AI's like Geth could the Quarians wouldn't even have gotten what they did. EDI is the only synthetic creation shown to be able to fully actualize the capability of an AI. All others Geth and Reapers are reduced in capability to allow the story to even exist. The Geth should have been wrecking the Quarian's systems with cyber warfare. And that isn't even counting what the Reapers should be capable of doing. 

[Dantriges]

Where is that stated? I remember reading the line about 4 dreadnaughts but everything in at least the council fleets has Thanix cannons now, right down to Fighters. The wiki page on Reapers (not codex) says:

 

"They are extremely durable, capable of taking the continuous and simultaneous fire of four dreadnoughts before they start to lose their kinetic barriers."

 

Note "start to lose" and that's just barriers. That's also not counting that the Reaper gun will kill a dreadnought in one hit and Sovereign had multiple of them. It looks like he has one in each leg. I know they showed it coming from the "mouth" in ME3 though.

 

The codex say:

The kinetic barriers on a Reaper capital ship can shrug off the firepower of a small fleet. Weapons specifically designed to overcome shields, such as the Javelin, GARDIAN lasers, or the Thanix series, can bypass the barriers to some degree.

 

In the case of a Reaper capital ship, these kinetic barriers can hold off the firepower of two dreadnoughts simultaneously, but three clearly causes strain, and four typically results in destruction. Weapons designed to maximize heat damage, such as the Thanix series, show better results against the Reapers than pure kinetic impacts.

 

Battle of Palaven:

Knowing that the Reapers' weapons had a longer effective range than any of his own, Coronati made a short, daring FTL jump--landing his dreadnoughts in the middle of the Reaper fleet. The dreadnoughts then turned to line up their main guns on the Reapers, which also needed to turn to fire on the turians. This ploy used the Reapers' size against them--because they could turn faster, the turian dreadnoughts locked targets first, and their concentrated firepower downed several Reaper capital ships.

 

So it doesn´t directly say that they were all equipped with kinetics only, but it reads as the writer didnt think of Thanix cannons being a dreadnaught´s new primary weapons. Seems there is one version for the big guys, but unclear how widespread it is. Seems to be brand new.

Considering that the Reapers only need one shot to disable even dreadnaughts, the turians apparently downed them with one salvo.  

Perhaps Sovereign´s leg guns were secondary weapons or even only point defense. The ships were rather small and nearby.

 

They also took out some destroyers and capitals with suicide nuking. Forget the protheans, the turians handed out a huge can of reaper kicking.

 

No idea why the protheans should have been unable to coordinate, they use their beacons to communicate, a separate system from the mass relays with no vulnerable comm buoys. Yeah you can kill the beacon but in that case, you already fried the people communicating.

[Natureguy85]

The codex say:

The kinetic barriers on a Reaper capital ship can shrug off the firepower of a small fleet. Weapons specifically designed to overcome shields, such as the Javelin, GARDIAN lasers, or the Thanix series, can bypass the barriers to some degree.

 

In the case of a Reaper capital ship, these kinetic barriers can hold off the firepower of two dreadnoughts simultaneously, but three clearly causes strain, and four typically results in destruction. Weapons designed to maximize heat damage, such as the Thanix series, show better results against the Reapers than pure kinetic impacts.

 

Battle of Palaven:

Knowing that the Reapers' weapons had a longer effective range than any of his own, Coronati made a short, daring FTL jump--landing his dreadnoughts in the middle of the Reaper fleet. The dreadnoughts then turned to line up their main guns on the Reapers, which also needed to turn to fire on the turians. This ploy used the Reapers' size against them--because they could turn faster, the turian dreadnoughts locked targets first, and their concentrated firepower downed several Reaper capital ships.

 

So it doesn´t directly say that they were all equipped with kinetics only, but it reads as the writer didnt think of Thanix cannons being a dreadnaught´s new primary weapons. Seems there is one version for the big guys, but unclear how widespread it is. Seems to be brand new.

Considering that the Reapers only need one shot to disable even dreadnaughts, the turians apparently downed them with one salvo.  

Perhaps Sovereign´s leg guns were secondary weapons or even only point defense. The ships were rather small and nearby.

 

They also took out some destroyers and capitals with suicide nuking. Forget the protheans, the turians handed out a huge can of reaper kicking.

 

No idea why the protheans should have been unable to coordinate, they use their beacons to communicate, a separate system from the mass relays with no vulnerable comm buoys. Yeah you can kill the beacon but in that case, you already fried the people communicating.

 

Well, if that's what it says. I call BS, though. Now, to be clear and fair, that all is not bad on its own, but it annoys me as a change. While we have no idea what in the world he was talking about, Joker said Sovereign made a turn that would tear one of their ships in half. There is no way the Organics dreadnoughts should be faster lining up their guns, especially when the Reaper guns are on tendrils, not just turrets or rails. Sovereign is shooting in all directions.

 

I didn't get the impression that the beacons were used for normal communications but maybe you're right.

[Dantriges]

Thought that they forgot that, too, but I found a paragraph adressing the issue. The Reaper has to lighten its mass to a level unacceptable in combat situations to make these turns. Perhaps because the shields are weakened then or/and a hit would send them spiraling uncontrollably. Seems they can´t switch from combat to nimble instant which makes sense. So Sovereign was in cruise mode as there was no threat around and he was in the atmophere anyways, where Reapers have to lose some weight anyways..

 

IIIRC the shooty tendrils only shoot forward and sideways and they are probably weaker. AFAIK they didn´t shoot backwards, towards the aft section. He had to use them, because he was sitting on the tower and they were sufficient for taking out the opposition at point blank range. The cutscene is also a bit problematic, IIRC these cruisers were originally supposed to be frigates.

 

Why not and even if, when you have nothing else, they should be sufficient.

[kal_reegar]

I wish to thank you all for the good discussion about ME ending. Always a funny topic.

Debating and confronting with intelligent people that disagree with you is, in my opinion, the best way to clarify things, to solve doubts or to ask themselves new questions.

I'm plannig to have a last playthroug with Shepard before Andromeda, and I wished to have (as far as possible.. damn Mac Walters -.-) a consistent understanting of what is going on.

 

I post my uptaded headcanon ( ) interpretation, hoping that maybe some of you (which I know, love mass effect as and probably more than me) may come to terms with the ending that shocked us all.

Or, even better, find a different and more consistent explanation for everything!

 

See ya soon and hold the line!

 

 

 

 

 

 

THE CATALYST

• The catalyst is an advanced AI, and it was created in order to solve the “chaos problem” (synthetcs-organics conflict, technological singularity etc). The reapers are its current solution.

• The catalyst controls the reapers (probably it's not the same "direct" control of Harb vs Collector's leader: the catalyst embodies the collective intelligence of the reapers, so even if the Catalyst can influence the reapers, every reaper mantains, within certain limits, a specific individuality, , as Sovereing said).

• The catalyst doens't direclty and fully control the Citadel. Not the arms and the mass-relay, at least. Maybe it used to control it/them through the keepers, but in this case the prothean scientist from Ilos somehow broke this connction. We never see the catalyst directly controlling anything, except for the elevator, even when it would have been useful for its purposes. The catalyst need Saren, the Sovereign, Cerberus, Tim and finally Shepard to perform “material” operations.

• The catalyst probably is unable to control the Crucible, too. Referring to the possibile choices that the Crucible provides, it says "I can't make it happen". So we can be almost certain that it needs Shepard to use the crucible.

• So we can summarize the previous point in one general statement: the Catalyst is incapable of direct, material actions, it can only influence/command the reapers.

 

THE CRUCIBLE

The crucible is, according to the catalyst, little more than a rude power source (from the catalyst point of view, at least), but in combination with the citadel it is capable of realising a huge amount of energy. So, it's not an hacking device or something similar, just a powerful weapon of mass destruction.

We don't know who designed it (very likely not the Leviathans, because the catalyst says, reffering to the crucible designers, "you wouldn't know them" -> and Shepard knows the Leviathans).

We only know that its design evolved many times.

 

THE CRUCIBLE DOCKING

This is the crucial moment. Once the crucible docked, Shepard is brought in front of the catalyst. The crucible is not working.
The 1 million dollars question is: why the catalyst doesn't shut of the crucible or, if it can't “personally” do that (we have said that he is probably incapable of direct, material action), why doesn't it wait/order to the reapers to destroy it and to continue the cycle? Why does the catalyst seem to strongly desire that the crubile is preserved and activated?

 

The answer to this question is resumable in one sentece: the variables have been altered.

More specifically:

1. Its solution (the reapers) won't work anymore.

The Crucible has been proven possible and a real threat, that its mere existence as a tangible object - and not a dreamy idea - changes things completely because one day the Reapers will be defeated by it (and refusal ending proves it -> the stargazer says that "the reapers are no longer a threat"). Even if the crucible is not used, the reapers days are done, defeated by the next cycle or simply "fired" by the catalyst after completing the current harvest. They no longer have the strenght (they already had some relevant losses) to continue the cycle. The can complete this one, but not the next one.

2. The crucible changed the catalyst, created new possibilities.

Its original solution won't work anymore, but new solutions are now available. All of them are better than the reapers.
- Synthesis: do I really need to explain why this is the perfect solution from the catalyst point of view? (N.B. for the catalyst this is the only true solution; the other options are both a makeshif at best, the lesser evil)
- Control: the reapers can be "upgraded" with a new catalyst 2.0 (the sheparlyst) and, thanks to Shepard's memories, consciousness, readiness etc, they can become somehow more effective, adapter to their new task of “peace-keeping”.
- Destroy: this cycle has proven itself worthy/ready, somehow special, and since crucible is a weapon that can destroy every single syntetic organism in the galaxy in few minutes, the organics of this “exceptional” cycle have proven that they can effectively deal with the synthetics threat (or, at least, better or longer than the reapers or other less special cycles). Another possibility is that if this cycle kills all the advanced synthetics, organics may gain the upperhand for a few decade, and be able ot explout this advantage.

 

This is why the catalyst helps shepard, gives him information, doesn't shut off the crucible and/or "stops" the reapers from immediately blasting the crucible.
The variables have been altered, and both shepard and the catalyst need the crucible to be activated, if they want to achive their goals.

The crucible docking, from the catalyst point of view, can be seen as the famous "last straw" (the catalyst finally acknowldge that the process, started with the prothean scientist of Ilos, is no longer reversible). Something very close to what legion say about the heretics ""An equation with a result of 1.33382 returns as 1.33381. This changes the result of all higher processes. We will reach different conclusions". A little difference with huge consequences.

So the catalyst want the crucible to be used before it is destroyed/becomes useless (there is no much time, and the game shows it: if Shepard doesn't act, the crucible will be destroyed), and he needs Shepard to do so.

 

In conclusion,

a ) IF the catalyst is incapable of direct, material actions

and

b ) IF the docking of the crucible has
- demonstrated that the Reaper-cycle solution won't work anymore

- provided better options

THAN the catalyst actions (and me3 ending) make some sort of sense.

We have too little info to answer to more specific question and/or to work out with certain solutions what seems legitimately unlikely or implausible, but I think this could one of the possibile interpretations which are, at least, not inconsistent ot incompatible with the rest of the Saga.

[Natureguy85]

Thought that they forgot that, too, but I found a paragraph adressing the issue. The Reaper has to lighten its mass to a level unacceptable in combat situations to make these turns. Perhaps because the shields are weakened then or/and a hit would send them spiraling uncontrollably. Seems they can´t switch from combat to nimble instant which makes sense. So Sovereign was in cruise mode as there was no threat around and he was in the atmophere anyways, where Reapers have to lose some weight anyways..

 

IIIRC the shooty tendrils only shoot forward and sideways and they are probably weaker. AFAIK they didn´t shoot backwards, towards the aft section. He had to use them, because he was sitting on the tower and they were sufficient for taking out the opposition at point blank range. The cutscene is also a bit problematic, IIRC these cruisers were originally supposed to be frigates.

 

Ok, well at least the took the time to use some lore justification.

 

Yes, they don't seem to be able to bend enough to shoot behind the giant head, but that range of motion means a Reaper wouldn't need to turn as much to get a firing angle. I agree that the cutscene looks like those ships would be frigates, but ME2 does a lot of weird things.

 

Why not and even if, when you have nothing else, they should be sufficient.

 

Sure, but of what value is that really?

 

"Hey, we're getting our asses kicked over here. You?"

"Yep, us too."

 

They can't move ships between sectors to help each other out. And is there anything to suggest the beacons don't use the Relays also?

[themikefest]

Well, if that's what it says. I call BS, though. Now, to be clear and fair, that all is not bad on its own, but it annoys me as a change. While we have no idea what in the world he was talking about, Joker said Sovereign made a turn that would tear one of their ships in half. There is no way the Organics dreadnoughts should be faster lining up their guns, especially when the Reaper guns are on tendrils, not just turrets or rails. Sovereign is shooting in all directions.

 

I didn't get the impression that the beacons were used for normal communications but maybe you're right.

I believe Joker was exaggerating. He also didn't say how fast the reaper was going when it made that turn.

 

I believe the organics can out turn the reapers faster especially in a surprise attack like what the turians did giving that extra moment to line up their shots. When they say several capital ships were destroyed, does that mean there were at least 20 dreadnoughts firing? So if 5 reapers were destroyed, 20 dreadnoughts were needed. I find that hard to believe. Its also possible, and I've said in the past, is that the weak spot for a reaper is its backside. The codex does say that 4 dreadnoughts would destroy the reaper. Of course how would you know if that has never been proven?

 

In the case of Soveriegn, 1000 ships could've been firing at the thing while it takes no damage. The whole thing was setup for the itsy-bitsy-tinnie-wennie frigate to make the kill shot. Even after the reapers shields were disabled, it still wasn't taking damage. In comes the this puny little frigate, with a fighter on each side, to destroy the thing.

 

When attacking the reapers above Earth, it shows that Alliance ship firing two shots that blows off two legs of the capital ship. Of course that Alliance ship is destroyed a moment later, and for that to happen, ems has to be above 2300.

[fchopin]

THE CATALYST

• The catalyst is an advanced AI, and it was created in order to solve the “chaos problem” (synthetcs-organics conflict, technological singularity etc). 

The star child is not a true advanced and free AI.

It can only try to solve what it has being programmed to find and is not capable in deciding for it self on what to think and develop.

 

Therefore it is a slave AI programmed to think on a solution to a problem it was designed for.

[Dantriges]

Ok, well at least the took the time to use some lore justification.
 
Yes, they don't seem to be able to bend enough to shoot behind the giant head, but that range of motion means a Reaper wouldn't need to turn as much to get a firing angle. I agree that the cutscene looks like those ships would be frigates, but ME2 does a lot of weird things.

The battle was in ME 1? The tentacle guns are probably weaker than the main gun.
 
 

Sure, but of what value is that really?
 
"Hey, we're getting our asses kicked over here. You?"
"Yep, us too."
 
They can't move ships between sectors to help each other out. And is there anything to suggest the beacons don't use the Relays also?

Seems they had limited mobility. Javik´s first memory is leaving a planet and he and Vendetta talked about battles in other systems. Javik talked about a battle in another cluster.
They still can exchange what´s having an effect.

No mention ether way, just that they were their means to rapidly exchange communications and data and the Reapers blew them up deliberately.

[rossler]

I'm plannig to have a last playthroug with Shepard before Andromeda, and I wished to have (as far as possible.. damn Mac Walters -.-) a consistent understanting of what is going on.

 

You shouldn't point fingers at Mac Walters, or anyone else on the team who made the game. 

[AlanC9]

They have 50.000 years to figure out something new. It doesn´t make much sense, that they were done for in the next cycle. We dropped one time capsule, where Liara told them that the crucible didn´t work, so they are more or less starting at zero.

Doesn't necessarily follow. From the outside, Refuse looks more like nobody being able to get to the controls on the Citadel. My takeaway from that would be to build and dock a Crucible before the Reapers return. Of course, this depends on the date of the capsule.

[Iakus]

 
Seems they had limited mobility. Javik´s first memory is leaving a planet and he and Vendetta talked about battles in other systems. Javik talked about a battle in another cluster.
They still can exchange what´s having an effect.

No mention ether way, just that they were their means to rapidly exchange communications and data and the Reapers blew them up deliberately.

Standard FTL still worked.

 

Also, the Reapers were known to let refugees escape, with indoctrinated agents among them.

[kal_reegar]

You shouldn't point fingers at Mac Walters, or anyone else on the team who made the game. 

 

 He was was the lead writer, so yes, I'm totally entitled to point the fingers at him, and only at him, for ME3 ending's mess.

Also, if you think that the ending is a masterpiece, for the same reason you are entitled to honor and praise Mac Walters above any others.

[angol fear]

You shouldn't point fingers at Mac Walters, or anyone else on the team who made the game. 

 

Drew Karpyshyn explained why in his blog when he defended the ending.

 

PS : @Kal_reegar : no that's not how it works. Mass Effect was a team job and it's the reason why it succeed or fail. The writer, unlike what most people think here, isn't responsible for the final aspect of the writing. It's not as easy as people think.

[kal_reegar]

Drew Karpyshyn explained why in his blog when he defended the ending.

 

I'm not convinced. Imho, the ending before the EC is unbearably vague, confused, unsatisfactory. The ending after EC is tolerable, from a logical and emotional point of view.

there is no valid excuse not to have written it "right" the first time.

[Natureguy85]

The battle was in ME 1? The tentacle guns are probably weaker than the main gun.

 

Yes, but it isn't until ME2 that they call those ships "cruisers." You're probably right about the guns being weaker since it talks about a "main gun" later, but all you see in ME1 is similar looking red beams shooting out.

 

Also, those 8 cruisers are ones that died saving the Ascension, so the Geth killed them. Sovereign shoots those other ships either way.

[gothpunkboy89]

I'm not convinced. Imho, the ending before the EC is unbearably vague, confused, unsatisfactory. The ending after EC is tolerable, from a logical and emotional point of view.

there is no valid excuse not to have written it "right" the first time.

 

There are plenty of reasons how ever no one will be able to confirm any of them. Just speculate.

[rossler]

I'm not convinced. Imho, the ending before the EC is unbearably vague, confused, unsatisfactory. The ending after EC is tolerable, from a logical and emotional point of view.

there is no valid excuse not to have written it "right" the first time.

 

It was supposed to be vague and ambiguous to get people to discuss it. 

 

[Monica21]

Drew Karpyshyn explained why in his blog when he defended the ending.

PS : @Kal_reegar : no that's not how it works. Mass Effect was a team job and it's the reason why it succeed or fail. The writer, unlike what most people think here, isn't responsible for the final aspect of the writing. It's not as easy as people think.

Mac and Casey wrote the ending themselves. No team effort, no peer review. So we can dispense with the whole "team effort so be nice" nonsense. If it was a team effort, it would still bad. The other thing is that the boss is ultimately responsible for the final product, however it turns out. So yeah, when people point fingers they're pointing them at the right people.

[KrrKs]

He's not even wrong. He is, as you say, trying to solve a problem that the game shows you doesn't exist (except for the Reapers themselves), and isn't even particularly interesting. Using any of his solutions to try to "fix" the Galaxy is like giving a massive, and brutally destructive, dose of radiotherapy to someone who doesn't actually have cancer.

 

Well, maybe a little bit of cancer, and not a version that spreads aggressively. (Did I just compare the Geth to cancer? )

 

Fun fact: A radiation therapy device giving patients deadly overdoses due to a malfunctioning, error-nous Software has happened in the real world. (Maybe not so fun after all)

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