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[mybudgee]

Without getting into a lore or IT debate, the worst thing about ME3 wasn't the ending. It was the way that Biower changed their overall philosophy from "Fans/paying consumers are our priority" to "$ is our priority", as exemplified by the Shepard import feature not working until 8 months after launch, & crap DLC, to mocking the fanbase, & their ludicrous Star Wars MMO. Dragon Age, despite being loved by many fans went right into the toilet after Origins. 

 

Andromeda is likely more of the same lowest-common-denominator garbage...

 

Also;

 

Spoiler

[BloodyMares]

Without getting into a lore or IT debate, the worst thing about ME3 wasn't the ending. It was the way that Biower changed their overall philosophy from "Fans/paying consumers are our priority" to "$ is our priority"

I agree, the worst thing wasn't the ending. It was the writing overall. Particularly with Cerberus. Lazy, inconsistent, lore-breaking and outright dumb.
I don't care that they changed their priority towards $. It's a common thing for EA. The problem started when they changed the "details over drama" approach to "drama without details" and started to retcon everything and neglect player's choices from the previous games.

[Iakus]

Drew Karpyshyn explained why in his blog when he defended the ending.

 

He has never, to my knowledge, spoken of the endings.  For or against.

[Prince Enigmatic]

Without getting into a lore or IT debate, the worst thing about ME3 wasn't the ending. It was the way that Biower changed their overall philosophy from "Fans/paying consumers are our priority" to "$ is our priority", as exemplified by the Shepard import feature not working until 8 months after launch, & crap DLC, to mocking the fanbase, & their ludicrous Star Wars MMO. Dragon Age, despite being loved by many fans went right into the toilet after Origins. 

 

Andromeda is likely more of the same lowest-common-denominator garbage...

 

Also;

 

Spoiler

 

 

I agree, the worst thing wasn't the ending. It was the writing overall. Particularly with Cerberus. Lazy, inconsistent, lore-breaking and outright dumb.
I don't care that they changed their priority towards $. It's a common thing for EA. The problem started when they changed the "details over drama" approach to "drama without details" and started to retcon everything and neglect player's choices from the previous games.

 

Ok, I have no problems with you having problems with Mass Effect's writing/ending what have you. Everyone are entitled to their opinions.

 

And maybe I am reading too much into it, but if you find the writing so bad, and overall seem to not like the Mass Effect games, then why hang around on the BioWare forums and Mass Effect threads? 

 

Genuinely just curious, not criticizing. 

[BloodyMares]

And maybe I am reading too much into it, but if you find the writing so bad, and overall seem to not like the Mass Effect games, then why hang around on the BioWare forums and Mass Effect threads? 

Wrong conclusion. I don't dislike Mass Effect games. I love the universe because of the first game. Mass Effect 1 had such a good writing and it's a damn shame that ME2 and 3 don't have this quality. If ME1 wasn't any better then I wouldn't care.

And it's not an opinion. Writing has standards. When it fails to follow these standards then it's a bad writing.

[Prince Enigmatic]

Wrong conclusion. I don't dislike Mass Effect games. I love the universe because of the first game. Mass Effect 1 had such a good writing and it's a damn shame that ME2 and 3 don't have this quality. If ME1 wasn't any better then I wouldn't care.

And it's not an opinion. Writing has standards. When it fails to follow these standards then it's a bad writing.

 

I get that, but there are people who liked and had no problem with the writing in ME2 and ME3 and are entitled to there opinions that its good writing for them. They shouldn't be insulted for thinking that way either, going by what I've seen elsewhere here on the forums. 

[BananaDePijama]

Mass Effect 3 ending was epic.

Also: The Indoctrination Theory is Bullshit.

[BloodyMares]

I get that, but there are people who liked and had no problem with the writing in ME2 and ME3 and are entitled to there opinions that its good writing for them. They shouldn't be insulted for thinking that way either, going by what I've seen elsewhere here on the forums. 

I don't insult anyone for thinking differently. I'm absolutely fine with that. To be honest, most people defend ME2 and ME3 not because of the writing quality but because they enjoyed these games. And I did too. Voice-acting, cinematography, soundtrack, gameplay, characters. I enjoyed that too. But when the main story is so stupid it ruins the experience for me. But if you ignore the story and just play the games then it's easy to have a really good time.

[gothpunkboy89]

I agree, the worst thing wasn't the ending. It was the writing overall. Particularly with Cerberus. Lazy, inconsistent, lore-breaking and outright dumb.
I don't care that they changed their priority towards $. It's a common thing for EA. The problem started when they changed the "details over drama" approach to "drama without details" and started to retcon everything and neglect player's choices from the previous games.

 

But nothing was lore breaking or out right dumb.

[Prince Enigmatic]

I don't insult anyone for thinking differently. I'm absolutely fine with that. To be honest, most people defend ME2 and ME3 not because of the writing quality but because they enjoyed these games. And I did too. Voice-acting, cinematography, soundtrack, gameplay, characters. I enjoyed that too. But when the main story is so stupid it ruins the experience for me. But if you ignore the story and just play the games then it's easy to have a really good time.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean you. 

 

But I have seen people's intelligence and all sorts be called into question, just because they enjoyed and liked the writing for ME3. 

 

And I never ignore stories in games, since I play games more for interesting stories and characters over innovative, power fantasy granting gameplay. And I liked Mass Effect 3 for all the things you listed, plus the writing. It wasn't as solid as ME1, but I didn't find it as bad as ME2. 

 

I do agree on Cerberus' stupidity, Kai Leng, and some other greivances, but I still liked a lot of the writing, especially (controversy alert) the Tuchanka and Rannoch arcs. 

 

*runs away*

[Prince Enigmatic]

But nothing was lore breaking or out right dumb.

 

Ok sorry, but even I acknowledge that lore was broken and that there was dumb stuff (*cough, cough* CERBERUS)

[BloodyMares]

Sorry, I didn't mean you. 

 

But I have seen people's intelligence and all sorts be called into question, just because they enjoyed and liked the writing for ME3. 

 

And I never ignore stories in games, since I play games more for interesting stories and characters over innovative, power fantasy granting gameplay. And I liked Mass Effect 3 for all the things you listed, plus the writing. It wasn't as solid as ME1, but I didn't find it as bad as ME2. 

 

I do agree on Cerberus' stupidity, Kai Leng, and some other greivances, but I still liked a lot of the writing, especially (controversy alert) the Tuchanka and Rannoch arcs. 

 

I didn't mean to say that ALL writing was bad in ME3. Not at all. Tuchanka arc is probably the strongest part of ME3. The same in ME2. Some loyalty missions were very well done. But the main plot is...nonexistent in ME2 (collectors were building a human reaper...to do what?) and very stupid in ME3 (gather the forces to retake Earth of all planets with a device that we don't know anything about). And Cerberus constantly steals the center of attention from the Reapers (our big bad).

[kal_reegar]

Of course Cerberus is "dumb"... they're indoctrinated.

[BloodyMares]

But nothing was lore breaking or out right dumb.

Sure, whatever you say.

[rossler]

I agree, the worst thing wasn't the ending. It was the writing overall. Particularly with Cerberus. Lazy, inconsistent, lore-breaking and outright dumb.
I don't care that they changed their priority towards $. It's a common thing for EA. The problem started when they changed the "details over drama" approach to "drama without details" and started to retcon everything and neglect player's choices from the previous games.

 

The Cerberus plot actually does kind of line up with their side missions in ME2. With regards to husk conversion. The information was collected in ME2, and then in ME3, they implemented their plan at Sanctuary. 

 

Without getting into a lore or IT debate, the worst thing about ME3 wasn't the ending. It was the way that Biower changed their overall philosophy from "Fans/paying consumers are our priority" to "$ is our priority", as exemplified by the Shepard import feature not working until 8 months after launch, & crap DLC, to mocking the fanbase, & their ludicrous Star Wars MMO. Dragon Age, despite being loved by many fans went right into the toilet after Origins. 

 

Andromeda is likely more of the same lowest-common-denominator garbage...

 

Fans were never the priority. Or their target market in the first place. In regards to money, each Mass Effect game (or Dragon Age) got more and more expensive to produce, so that's why they needed to open up their markets a bit. They have to make enough of a profit in order to pay for the cost of the game, and then they have to make even more to pay for all the salaries and operating costs of the company. 

 

It's just business.  

[BloodyMares]

The Cerberus plot actually does kind of line up with their side missions in ME2. With regards to husk conversion. The information was collected in ME2, and then in ME3, they implemented their plan at Sanctuary. 

 

 

Fans were never the priority. Or their target market in the first place. In regards to money, each Mass Effect game got more and more expensive to produce, so that's why they needed to open up their markets a bit. 

Yes. Side missions. Cerberus was a side story in ME1 and it should've remained this way throughout the trilogy. Cerberus don't deserve a spotlight. And they were turning people into husks since ME1 so I don't really see their importance in ME3. They are just an annoyance.

 

[gothpunkboy89]

Yes. Side missions. Cerberus was a side story in ME1 and it should've remained this way throughout the trilogy. Cerberus don't deserve a spotlight. And they were turning people into husks since ME1 so I don't really see their importance in ME3. They are just an annoyance.

 

 

But Cerberus does deserve a spotlight. The way it was done was fairly good as well. TIM manipulating everyone including Shepard to get what he wants. That is exactly the kind of set up Ceberus and how a good villain should be set up.

[gothpunkboy89]

Ok sorry, but even I acknowledge that lore was broken and that there was dumb stuff (*cough, cough* CERBERUS)

 

 

Yea what stuff. I always seem to see these statements but no one ever goes into detail.

[BloodyMares]

Yea what stuff. I always seem to see these statements but no one ever goes into detail.

 

Oh boy. At this point you are either a troll or a liar. I don't care which. Just read Shamus Young's "Mass Effect Retrospective" or watch smudboy's "Mass Effect 2 Plot Analysis" and "Mass Effect 3: Bookends of Destruction" series of videos. They go into plenty of detail.

[gothpunkboy89]

Oh boy. At this point you are either a troll or a liar. I don't care which. Just read Shamus Young's "Mass Effect Retrospective" or watch smudboy's "Mass Effect 2 Plot Analysis" and "Mass Effect 3: Bookends of Destruction" series of videos. They go into plenty of detail.

 

How about you sum it up for me.

[rossler]

Yes. Side missions. Cerberus was a side story in ME1 and it should've remained this way throughout the trilogy. Cerberus don't deserve a spotlight. And they were turning people into husks since ME1 so I don't really see their importance in ME3. They are just an annoyance.

 

Who should have the spotlight then?

[Natureguy85]

Who should have the spotlight then?

Blasto, clearly.

How about the Reapers?

[BloodyMares]

How about you sum it up for me.

Why should I bother? Last time I answered to you and asked my questions in return you ignored me. And I'm really tired of this attitude so how about you do it yourself?

[gothpunkboy89]

Why should I bother? Last time I answered to you and asked my questions in return you ignored me. And I'm really tired of this attitude so how about you do it yourself?

 

Because I'm not the one claiming there was massive lore breaks and stupidity. Burden of proof is on you. I'm extremely wary of any posts or videos posted because the continual posting of completely bias videos. So again sum it up for me.

[gothpunkboy89]

Blasto, clearly.

How about the Reapers?

 

To much of the Reapers and they lose their threat level. This is the same issue Star Trek had. The Borg were basically like the Reapers. But so many episodes particularly in the Voyager series were they run into them and manage to out wit them. Suddenly the big massive threat they were in TNG when they were first introduced was reduced to that of any other villain of the episode.