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[Aren]

First i will start to say that this character is one of my favourite i made her the Divine simply for power reason

(you are powerful when you're already a king and an hero,but if your lover become also the Divine then you have no equals...... )

but my questions regard leliana as Divine Victoria are the following,two curiosity:

1) If the Warden "killed her in DAO" how it is acknowledged  if she become Divine?

2) There is really a difference between her as Divine and Cassandra and or Vivienne since i heard that in the end after Trespasser they end up to do the same thing?

[Lulupab]

The condition of mages ends up the same with all divines. Both circle and college will exist no matter what you do. But with Leliana college is the official one and supported by Chanry. Circle is 3rd party.

But each divine has its own unique aspects. In Leliana's case:

Chantry open to all races and both sexes.
Allowing priest to get married (optional).
Changes Justinia was meant to bring.
Depending on softened or hardened (charm or threaten), she will always restore order and thwart rebellion before they happen, unlike Vivienne.
Cassandra is quite happy to serve her.
and some other stuff...

As for acknowledgement of her death and resurrection, it does happen but I don't think it has any relation with her being divine. She will be kept alive.

[Aren]

First: Nice spoiler in Title.  THe Titles DO appear in other places, such as 1 level above this Forum.

 

Also, Leliana's Death in Origins IS openly Acknowledged.  She can NOT be Divine to see it, however.

omg this is the spoiler section of the forum  of a game that was released by 1 year and there are still people who want to argue about spoiler?

[Tidus]

First I have never found a reason to kill Leliana in DA:O and after the victory whoop de do at the palace my warden and Leliana travels the world  together so,in my games there's no reason Leliana can't become the Divine even though my  male warden would hate to lose her.

I highly suspect after Leliana becomes the Divine my warden would become nothing more then a drunk elf in the Denerim Alienage.

[Evamitchelle]

First I have never found a reason to kill Leliana in DA:O and after the victory whoop de do at the palace my warden and Leliana travels the world  together so,in my games there's no reason Leliana can't become the Divine even though my  male warden would hate to lose her.

I highly suspect after Leliana becomes the Divine my warden would become nothing more then a drunk elf in the Denerim Alienage.

 

If Leliana romanced the Warden in Origins she decrees that all members of the Chantry can pursue romantic relationships, including herself. 

 

"Leliana continued her open affair with the Hero of Ferelden. She/he was often seen at the Divine's side. Eventually, Divine Victoria decreed that all members of the Chantry, from initiate to Divine, would be allowed to engage in romantic relationships. When questioned, the Divine pointed to Andraste, who served the Maker while wed to a mortal spouse. In time, many in the Chantry came to accept the Divine's decree that "Love is the Maker's best gift and is infinite."

[Shizukai]

I highly suspect after Leliana becomes the Divine my warden would become nothing more then a drunk elf in the Denerim Alienage.

 

D'Awww. ):

I like the idea of Leliana becoming divine for she told me in DAO she got visions from the maker and she was also very close to Justinia. What brought me to rethink this was the fact that there's blood spilled in the Grand Cathedral if she's in charge. Yeah, it fits her character and yeah, you can't change some things without changing (or killing of) some hardliners. But still... I was no andrastian , no believer in my playthroughs until now (I will be go as one next time I think), but last time I chose Cassandra as the divine for I really really like her for trying to do the right thing, trying to restore order and for being a thoroughgoing idealist.
 

[Evamitchelle]

D'Awww. ):

I like the idea of Leliana becoming divine for she told me in DAO she got visions from the maker and she was also very close to Justinia. What brought me to rethink this was the fact that there's blood spilled in the Grand Cathedral if she's in charge. Yeah, it fits her character and yeah, you can't change some things without changing (or killing of) some hardliners. But still... I was no andrastian , no believer in my playthroughs until now (I will be go as one next time I think), but last time I chose Cassandra as the divine for I really really like her for trying to do the right thing, trying to restore order and for being a thoroughgoing idealist.
 

 

That's only if she's steeled/hardened. 

[Tidus]

Evamitchelle,  Would the people allow their Divine to have a Elf husband? Empress Celene  had a secrete  Elven lover and when that came to light  that was found to be unacceptable by the Orlesian Nobles. Alistair's mother was a Elven Grey Warden mage and that fact was covered up and a story was told about a mere servant woman being Alistair's mother. Good King Meric had a eye for Elven women it seems.

 

As much hate there is toward Elves I doubt if Nobels and the Chantry would allow Leliana to continue her relationship with a mere Elven lover even if he/she is the Hero of Ferelden.

[Shizukai]

That's only if she's steeled/hardened. 

 

So it's less bloody if she isn't?

[Evamitchelle]

Evamitchelle,  Would the people allow their Divine to have a Elf husband? Empress Celene  had a secrete  Elven lover and when that came to light  that was found to be unacceptable by the Orlesian Nobles. Alistair's mother was a Elven Grey Warden mage and that fact was covered up and a story was told about a mere servant woman being Alistair's mother. Good King Meric had a eye for Elven women it seems.
 
As much hate there is toward Elves I doubt if Nobels and the Chantry would allow Leliana to continue her relationship with a mere Elven lover even if he/she is the Hero of Ferelden.

 
It doesn't say she married them, just that she's carrying on her 'open affair'. I'm sure having an elven lover would be very controversial, but literally everything that Leliana is doing as Divine is: she restores the canticle of Shartan to the Chant, she opens the priesthood to everyone (including men and qunari). She's so controversial there's a rebellion to renounce her that spans several countries, and possibly several assassination attempts. An elven lover would just add to the long list of grievances against her. But for now, it's canon that Leliana and the Warden are still together by the time of Trespasser, regardless of the Warden's race. 

 

So it's less bloody if she isn't?

It's not bloody at all. The epilogue slide states: "Divine Victoria is controversial from the start, several new sects arise, resisting her reforms and declaring her rule a threat to the faith. She meets with their leaders, urging unity. Miraculously her words take root, and - for now - the Chantry remains strong." 

[Tidus]

Evamitchelle, Leliana the second 'rebel queen'?   Seems her unique ideas as Divine  has ruffle some feathers.   Last two play throughs I stumble through I place Cassandra as the Divine.

 

It might be my age but,DA:Is fine print makes it a hard game for me to play. I like the game though.  

[Shizukai]

 It's not bloody at all. The epilogue slide states: "Divine Victoria is controversial from the start, several new sects arise, resisting her reforms and declaring her rule a threat to the faith. She meets with their leaders, urging unity. Miraculously her words take root, and - for now - the Chantry remains strong." 

 

Thanks for enlightening me

[Gervaise]

The problem is to get the inspired rather than the ruthless Divine Leliana there is one particular pivotal decision early in game that catches you out.    Specifically it is the decision over the false agent.    Being new to the Inquisition my first couple of runs I always stood quietly and observed what she was doing, not feeling it my place to interfere since at this point I am not leading the show.    However, you have to stop her from killing him by direct intervention or your end up with a Leliana as Divine who has the halls of the Chantry running with blood.     You then have to keep telling her to put the welfare of her agents first and spare the Chantry spy, or she will still end up hardened.     I only discovered this after consulting the forums, so first few runs I had a ruthless Leliana and specifically voted for Cassandra because there was no way I wanted that Leliana as Divine.

 

Does anyone know if Cassandra still gets on with a hardened Leliana?     She ends up not wanting to work with Vivienne because she feels she is perverting the Chantry's message and it seems to me that ruthless as Viv is, she never actually has the halls of the Chantry running with blood.    So is Cassandra able to overlook this with Leliana?

[Evamitchelle]

The problem is to get the inspired rather than the ruthless Divine Leliana there is one particular pivotal decision early in game that catches you out.    Specifically it is the decision over the false agent.    Being new to the Inquisition my first couple of runs I always stood quietly and observed what she was doing, not feeling it my place to interfere since at this point I am not leading the show.    However, you have to stop her from killing him by direct intervention or your end up with a Leliana as Divine who has the halls of the Chantry running with blood.     You then have to keep telling her to put the welfare of her agents first and spare the Chantry spy, or she will still end up hardened.     I only discovered this after consulting the forums, so first few runs I had a ruthless Leliana and specifically voted for Cassandra because there was no way I wanted that Leliana as Divine.

 

I also got a steeled Leliana on my first playthrough because of that same 'spare the traitor' decision in the early game. I also had that problem in Origins with Alistair. 'Hardening' companions has always been a bit obscure, and I'm still not sure how I feel about it.

[Dean_the_Young]

If Leliana romanced the Warden in Origins she decrees that all members of the Chantry can pursue romantic relationships, including herself. 

 

"Leliana continued her open affair with the Hero of Ferelden. She/he was often seen at the Divine's side. Eventually, Divine Victoria decreed that all members of the Chantry, from initiate to Divine, would be allowed to engage in romantic relationships. When questioned, the Divine pointed to Andraste, who served the Maker while wed to a mortal spouse. In time, many in the Chantry came to accept the Divine's decree that "Love is the Maker's best gift and is infinite."

 

Strange as it might sound, this is actually one of the bigger reasons I dislike Leliana as a divine. It's not the policy itself, but the nakedly self-serving basis behind it.

 

Leliana is the sort of woman who changes faith to suit her feelings, rather than changing herself to fit faith (or just accept the disconnect). Not an issue, normally, except that Divine Leliana (a) defines the 'proper' faith for over half a continent, and ( her whims change too damn much.

 

If Leliana were a particularly consistent or stalwart woman, I'd have less concern- you could argue that she'll keep her convictions. Except she isn't, hasn't, and there's no particular reason to believe she will except for a meta-argument. Leliana's worldview and actions have flipped regularly over the course of her story. From Lelaiana's story to DAI, there are at least three major life-changing points for her, none of which last particularly long.

 

Leliana goes for what she wants. This is good for an individual. This is not a good recipe for the arbiter of social norms- especially when what she wants changes every few years, and she gives little evidence of considering or even particularly acknowledging the validity of positions or policies that inconvenience her.

 

Take this very topic. What, really, does anyone think her motivation in keeping the policy in one route and changing it in the other was? Is love no longer the Maker's best gift if Leliana isn't getting it? Do the benefits of a celibate priesthood go away if the Warden wants some loving?

 

Does Leliana even acknowledge the benefits of attempting to maintain a celibate priesthood? Does she consider the significance of an impartial arbiter/authority figure that won't be assumed to be overtly biased towards part of the flock just from the start? Did she consider the social pressures and coercion a moral authority figure can bring to bear in order to get laid, particularly if they're are openly allowed to get laid? Did she weigh the prospect of family dynasties forming within the priesthood as generational changeover of the celibate gives way to more nepotastic practices of security family positions and spheres of influence?

 

Did she consider all that, and think her policy worth it anyways on the assumption/expectation that women like sex to, a bunch of Mothers were getting it on, and that removing the hypocrisy would be a better change for the moral character of the church?

 

Or did she watch the Warden walk by one evening, think to herself 'I want me some of that,' and arbitrarily change nearly a millennia of religious doctrine and tradition so that she could get laid without political scandal?

 

 

 

 

 

Point is, Leliana is the sort of person to use religion to justify and validate her desires. I'm as cool with that for her as I am anyone else doing it- which is to say lukewarm at best. Religion twisted to justify personal desires isn't religion- it's simply self-justification. Contrasted to, say, Cassandra- who will give up the love of her life in similar circumstances rather than twist doctrine to satisfy herself- I struggle to think of a single personal belief or principle Lelaiana has given up for faith rather than conveniently justify through faith.

 

It's quite a remarkable coincidence how faith justifies all of Leliana's convictions and desires

[Dean_the_Young]

Does anyone know if Cassandra still gets on with a hardened Leliana?     She ends up not wanting to work with Vivienne because she feels she is perverting the Chantry's message and it seems to me that ruthless as Viv is, she never actually has the halls of the Chantry running with blood.    So is Cassandra able to overlook this with Leliana?

 

Yup. Bloody Murder Lelaiana or not, Cassandra doesn't protest or object. One of her shortcomings, tbh. Casandra responds more to idealism (which Lelaiana has, even as bloody murder, and Vivienne disdains) than to results or policies. 

[Lulupab]

Strange as it might sound, this is actually one of the bigger reasons I dislike Leliana as a divine. It's not the policy itself, but the nakedly self-serving basis behind it.

 

Leliana is the sort of woman who changes faith to suit her feelings, rather than changing herself to fit faith (or just accept the disconnect). Not an issue, normally, except that Divine Leliana (a) defines the 'proper' faith for over half a continent, and ( her whims change too damn much.

 

If Leliana were a particularly consistent or stalwart woman, I'd have less concern- you could argue that she'll keep her convictions. Except she isn't, hasn't, and there's no particular reason to believe she will except for a meta-argument. Leliana's worldview and actions have flipped regularly over the course of her story. From Lelaiana's story to DAI, there are at least three major life-changing points for her, none of which last particularly long.

 

Leliana goes for what she wants. This is good for an individual. This is not a good recipe for the arbiter of social norms- especially when what she wants changes every few years, and she gives little evidence of considering or even particularly acknowledging the validity of positions or policies that inconvenience her.

 

Take this very topic. What, really, does anyone think her motivation in keeping the policy in one route and changing it in the other was? Is love no longer the Maker's best gift if Leliana isn't getting it? Do the benefits of a celibate priesthood go away if the Warden wants some loving?

 

Does Leliana even acknowledge the benefits of attempting to maintain a celibate priesthood? Does she consider the significance of an impartial arbiter/authority figure that won't be assumed to be overtly biased towards part of the flock just from the start? Did she consider the social pressures and coercion a moral authority figure can bring to bear in order to get laid, particularly if they're are openly allowed to get laid? Did she weigh the prospect of family dynasties forming within the priesthood as generational changeover of the celibate gives way to more nepotastic practices of security family positions and spheres of influence?

 

Did she consider all that, and think her policy worth it anyways on the assumption/expectation that women like sex to, a bunch of Mothers were getting it on, and that removing the hypocrisy would be a better change for the moral character of the church?

 

Or did she watch the Warden walk by one evening, think to herself 'I want me some of that,' and arbitrarily change nearly a millennia of religious doctrine and tradition so that she could get laid without political scandal?

 

 

 

 

 

Point is, Leliana is the sort of person to use religion to justify and validate her desires. I'm as cool with that for her as I am anyone else doing it- which is to say lukewarm at best. Religion twisted to justify personal desires isn't religion- it's simply self-justification. Contrasted to, say, Cassandra- who will give up the love of her life in similar circumstances rather than twist doctrine to satisfy herself- I struggle to think of a single personal belief or principle Lelaiana has given up for faith rather than conveniently justify through faith.

 

It's quite a remarkable coincidence how faith justifies all of Leliana's convictions and desires

 

This is certainly one way to look at it.

 

But the problem is the Chantry given to Leliana is corrupt and defiled already. Chants have been removed and rules have been invented/cut all the time to serve ulterior motives. Leliana's justification for allowing marriage for priests is perfectly valid because Andraste had a mortal husband while devoted to the maker. She also allows men to join the chantry. So what's your opinion on that? Since its the actual "alien" subject to chantry. Her reforms are actually the most close to the beginning years of chantry. Elves being able to join the chantry is one of those aspects.

 

I think you got a bit lost comparing Christianity to Andrastianism. Unlike Christianity there is no written verses by prophets or any similar proof. Its only what people *understood from Andraste's actions, and we both know how different understanding can be. The Chantry given to Leliana to rule is already changed by personal justifications by others before her. One can argue clergy could marry before a divine put a ban on it and it lasted until recently. So... which one is the correct one?

 

And personally I do not trust a thing from chantry to be true after the blatant removal of canticle of Shartan, which Leliana returns to the chant.

[Dean_the_Young]

This is certainly one way to look at it.

 

But the problem is the Chantry given to Leliana is corrupt and defiled already.

 

 

And Leliana is giving the rot more room and fuel to grow.

 

 

 

 

Chants have been removed and rules have been invented/cut all the time to serve ulterior motives. Leliana's justification for allowing marriage for priests is perfectly valid because Andraste had a mortal husband while devoted to the maker. She also allows men to join the chantry. So what's your opinion on that? Since its the actual "alien" subject to chantry. Her reforms are actually the most close to the beginning years of chantry. Elves being able to join the chantry is one of those aspects.

 

 

 

My opinion on the policy change is irrelevant to my critique of how she goes about changing policy.

 

If Leliana's argument and reasoning for allowing marriage for priests really was that it was restoring original intent and spirit of the faith (such as restoring the dissonant verses), I'd be fine with it. But it's pretty clearly not- Leliana is inventing an argument for those selfish ulterior motives, and only because they're her selfish ulterior motives. Religious interpretation is a smokescreen for what's really the projection of her (current) views onto the past.

 

But the issue with this sort of motivation is that it casts serious doubt on the integrity of other policy rationals. If Leliana is using 'original intent' as a smokescreen for this policy simply because she likes it, where else is she using it as a smoke screen? Is she changing the policy on mages because she has religious conviction, or because she personally sympathizes with mages and hasn't been personally affected by them? (Future Leliana seems to imply it's the later, since she still has faith but has drastically different tone on magic.) Is she changing elven policy because religious originalism, or because she's sympathetic to elves?

 

The issue with integrity issues isn't that you're always lying about what you claim- it's that it becomes impossible to tell your self-serving lies from your sincere claims. That's an issue- and also an invitation for others to do the same. I have a hard time condemning Vivienne for twisting faith to suit personal preferences when Leliana does the same, even if Leliana really really feels her changes are nicer.

 

And that's not even touching on the idea that Leliana is somehow an originalist about the faith. The point of originalism is that it claims higher legitimacy than contemporary, 'changed' politics. It's also a great way to re-invent the past to suit your preferences in the present. Marriage- and male priesthood- are great examples of this. Notice the flexing of 'origin'- is it the early chantry years (to restore the dissonant verses of the Chant, which is the foundational item the Chantry is formed around), or is it Andraste (to justify marriage)?

 

Unless Lelaiana is actually a student and scholar of history- which she isn't- her understanding of originalism is going to be sketchy- and unsurprisingly, is going to reflect a lot of beliefs she already holds. Leliana likes equal priesthoods- what do you know, she finds arguments to argue that how the Chantry should do it now. And if she didn't like that, I can all but guarantee you that she would find some other religious justification for what it should be otherwise. Or would simply resort to the current tradition and argue that there's a non-issue: why would Chantry members sleep around if Leliana's not getting any? There's tradition to fall back on!

 

Claiming faith becomes credible when you acknowledge differences between personal beliefs and desires and what a faith actually says. It shows you recognize the difference between what you are supposed to feel (the objectivity of morally superior faith) and what you do feel (the subjectivity of the flawed individual). Cassandra does this- recognizing her temper, her romantic attachment- but Leliana doesn't claim that sort of imperfect fit. Leliana is pick-and-choose religion to justify her beliefs, whatever they happen to be.

 

In a Christian analogy, Leliana is a protestant in the Catholic church. Being catholic is, in many respects, defined- you either hold Catholic beliefs, or you do not. Leliana's answer, if made Pope, is to redefine Catholic so that it matches... whatever her beliefs of the year are.

 

Which brings the issue of tradition- which is the premise behind appeals to original interpretation as the highest form of traditionalism. If the Catholic Church could (and did) readily discarded tradition to change with Pope preferences, it wouldn't be the Catholic Church- it'd be another Protestant denomination. The Catholic Church slowly changing isn't a bug- it's a feature of it's legitimacy.

 

 

 

I think you got a bit lost comparing Christianity to Andrastianism. Unlike Christianity there is no written verses by prophets or any similar proof. Its only what people *understood from Andraste's actions, and we both know how different understanding can be.

 

 

The Chantry most definitely has written verses of extreme importance. It is called The Chant of Light.

 

The building is kind of named after it.

 

Also of extremely relevant note: the Chant was codified well after Andraste. The Chantry is an organized religion built on unifying doctrine- 'the Chant'- and on disqualifying the 'not real Andrastians' (ie, the 'cults') who disagree with the 'right' chant. It is a doctrinal religion in the sense that it claims there is a 'right' interpretation and understanding of the faith. Divine Leliana doesn't dispute that there's one real Chant- she is simply changing what the 'right' interpretation is, not that there are equally valid but differing understandings.

 

To use the Christian analogy (again): Leliana is a protestant in a Catholic world. That might not make her a bad Christian, but it would make her a poor Catholic even if she becomes Pope.

 

 

 

The Chantry given to Leliana to rule is already changed by personal justifications by others before her. One can argue clergy could marry before a divine put a ban on it and it lasted until recently. So... which one is the correct one?

 

For Chantry originalism? The one that occurred when the Chantry was first made- which would not change depending on whether Leliana was boning the Warden or not.

 

 

 

 

And personally I do not trust a thing from chantry to be true after the blatant removal of canticle of Shartan, which Leliana returns to the chant.

 

This seems rather irrelevant to whether Leliana is a faithful practitioner of an established faith or if she's just twisting faith to justify her preferences- which is the sort of rationalizing that would have seen the Canticle of Shartan removed in the first place.

[Aren]

Evamitchelle,  Would the people allow their Divine to have a Elf husband? Empress Celene  had a secrete  Elven lover and when that came to light  that was found to be unacceptable by the Orlesian Nobles. Alistair's mother was a Elven Grey Warden mage and that fact was covered up and a story was told about a mere servant woman being Alistair's mother. Good King Meric had a eye for Elven women it seems.

 

As much hate there is toward Elves I doubt if Nobels and the Chantry would allow Leliana to continue her relationship with a mere Elven lover even if he/she is the Hero of Ferelden.

well i don't know in my game her lover is a male noble so there is no scandal i think

[In Exile]

Dean,

 

Excellent post. I agree entirely. With one caveat: I think the Chantry fractures no matter what, at this point. The differences in doctrine and views on e.g. magic have become quite pronounced. This is why - rightly, I think - Bioware has the mages both break away and not break away from the Chantry. This has very much gotten to the point of irreconcilable difference. Either one side imposes its view by force - which is that the Circles became and the templars tried - or they break apart. 

 

[Dean_the_Young]

Dean,

 

Excellent post. I agree entirely. With one caveat: I think the Chantry fractures no matter what, at this point. The differences in doctrine and views on e.g. magic have become quite pronounced. This is why - rightly, I think - Bioware has the mages both break away and not break away from the Chantry. This has very much gotten to the point of irreconcilable difference. Either one side imposes its view by force - which is that the Circles became and the templars tried - or they break apart. 

 

There's a political schism afoot with the Circles, but the Circle System isn't the Chantry, so I disagree a bit more than I agree.

 

Someone (I forget who) once said that Inquisition was the analog to the Protestant Reformation in Andrastian Thedas. I think that's a good analogy- but I don't think the Chantry itself is doomed to schism or the rise of the Andrastian equivalent of Protestantism (except, ironically, Leliana).

 

One of the key differences is in institutional heft and role. The Chantry is both a religion and an institution- an international institution. But it's a cooperative one with the national polities- a benefactor, not a rival- and the Chantry is largely hands-off enough the social issues that it's not taking sides without clear (and popular) moral support. That makes it unthreatening enough to tolerate.

 

Catholicism fell as it did during the protestant reformation because plenty of kings were political rivals to the Catholic Church. That doesn't seem to exist in Thedas- which makes for fewer politically powerful patrons to support a schism. Catholicism also has many rules and judgements on how to behave- which sparked popular dissent. But the Chantry is largely hands off after some broad, non-controversial things, and there's no mass movement against the Chantry's doctrine. Things like the Canticle of Shartan are the preoccupation of the interested elite (and the player base)- there's no elven break-away movement if the Chantry doesn't restore the verse. It's not that important to the worshippers involved.

 

Stability is something to note, rather than take for granted, for all the divines. But Casandra and Vivienne have less triggers than Leliana. Vivienne's issues amount to 'she's a mage'- or 'she's a ruthless mage ******'- but she's not challenging or changing the basis of faith that everyone believes in. She plays politics, and political enemies, but the only doctrinal change of note is 'she's a mage'- which more or less gets validated as time goes on. Casandra is the moderate reformist- still keeping tradition, and carefully changing things in a reasoned and controlled manner. She gets attacked by both sides- the reactionaries and the impatients- but she's got a solid lock on the middle that would be needed for a mass break-away.

 

Leliana's the problem child- and there's a reason why her slides are caveated by claiming success in the immediate short term only. In a traditionalist organization, she's making big waves by claiming newly found traditions. That's... bad. That's challenging- and trying to change- people's deeply held beliefs, and on shakey footing to boot.

 

The Circles? Doctrine doesn't dictate the Circles or oppose the College. Religious schism is going to occur over what people believe, and are being told to believe.

[Tidus]

Aren,The only possible scandal is her lover is from Ferelden.  I'll stick with my knife ear warden.

[KaiserShep]

I prefer Leliana as Divine because I feel that she has the most potential to make it totally chaotic, even though I think that Cassandra is still the best choice of the three. That said, I don't expect much to become of this in later installments. 

[straykat]

They're pretty much the same. Doesn't matter... except personality and how you'd view the narrative on that level. Don't overthink it. Do you actually think Bioware will take into account all of the varied politics? If they were gonna do that, Inquisition would have been a much better game to begin with. As it is, the story is a joke.

 

Personally, I like Leli because she's been a thread throughout the series from the start, and my main Warden died. It's a fitting end.

[Aren]

I prefer Leliana as Divine because I feel that she has the most potential to make it totally chaotic, even though I think that Cassandra is still the best choice of the three. That said, I don't expect much to become of this in later installments. 

I prefer her to be Divine just because she is my girlfriend Warden,and also while i prefer for stability Cassandra i don't think that there will be an huge difference