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[greenbrownblue]

I don't think that the inquisitor would be the protagonist, but a customizable character (like Hawke was on Inquisition).

 

This is my take on what will happen in DA:4

 

1) There will be three warring factions, Humans, Qunari and Elves, your choice of race will be tied to one of these factions.

2) Elves, under Solas' leadership have taken the region of the Dales back for the elves, significatively shrinking Orlais and Ferelden.

3) Surviving Humans from these two regions and the Free Marches will join the Tevinter Imperium on a desperate attempt to recover the land they have lost, the Imperium, changed after Maevaris and Dorian leadership, seeing the risk of the Elven expansionism in the South and being attacked by the Qunari on the North front as well, agrees to join forces with the remaining Humans of the South, as far as they help fighting the Qunari.

4) Dwarves will be the only ones able to have two choices, surfacers will join the Humans, Orzammar will join the Elves, as far as whatever Solas does on the surface doesn't affect the depths where they live.

4) Your character, with the help of the inquisitor and whatever remains of the Inquisition is tasked with the goal of negotiate peace among the warring factions without betraying your race.

Hum ... 1) It would probably cost too much to tie the next protagonist to one of these fraction. Also, there are Elves who joined Solas and Elves who did not join. Qun is Inquisitor's enemy and as it was already said under this post that the next DA (according to Gaider) will be a continuation of Inquisitor's story. 
2) Solas' plan is not to conquer but to find a way to tear down the Veil and restore the elven world.
3) I do agree with you that there will be a Tevinter-Qunari conflict, but will the Elfy-Elves really need to focus on expansion rather than helping Solas tear down the veil and stopping the freed Evanuris? Here is Sandal's prophecy:"One day the magic will come back - all of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part and the skies will open wide. When he rises everyone will see".

4)I think you are again forgetting about the events of the Trespasser DLC -> There is a crazy elf trying to destroy the world - local conflicts won't matter. 

[greenbrownblue]

from a narrative standpoint it suits the Inquisitor being the protag in the next game, If its finishing up the Solas story line.

Trueee )) !

[almasy87]

You may think I'm a bit biased because of my avatar (xD) but that's not actually it. I think the same when I think of my Trevelyan for instance.

 

The Inquisitor(s) - of any race and sex - have gotten to know Solas in a way a new character cannot. They have seen different sides of Solas. Whether they were lovers, good friends, or hated each other.

My biggest fear with a new character coming up, is that the character will just see Solas as "the crazy evil elf who needs to be destroyed", making Solas a mediocre villain and lessening his character a lot :/

Unless it starts that way and then the new protagonist meets the Inquisitor and gets more information about Solas.. but still the connection wouldn't be the same.

So I'm all in for a dual protagonist. Do whatever must be done in Tevinter with a new character, maybe showing up how this person becomes important and how the Inquisitor can benefit from such an alliance, and then leave the Inquisitor for the final confrontation.

Kinda like a story with 2 parts. You know, how Bioware introduced middle game a character customization for Hawke.. they could do the same, once Inq and the new pc get to meet each other, you customize your Inquisitor and then it's just a matter of using a different model for the second part of the game..

Is it much to ask?  

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I don't mind since I regarded the Solas char as guide and friend burdened with terrible guilt, shortsighted in his intentions. To convince him that he is wrong, the inquisitor is the one who has a chance since she / he understands him. The new protag won't.

 

It will be odd if the story thread continues on with Solas in DA4 and the inquisitor is missing; then what's the point of the decision in Trespasser? I expect the new protagonist to have some connection to the Inquisitor as well, taking on the mission to find an answer while the Inquisitor continues to handle, collate information at the back and makes decisions (this is for a smaller Inquisition under the aegis of the Devine). I don't expect the Inq to sit behind the desk all the time btw, since there is no firm declaration that she wouldn't go on the battlefield again.

 

If the story in DA4 veer towards the Qunari vs Tewinter, then the new protagonist can take a more major role to repel the invaders. Again, the inquisitor is present but plays a cameo since the threat from Solas is still there, and it will be in her interest too, to ensure the qunari do not gobble up Thedas. Of course this scenario meant the confrontation with Solas is pushed back, but this is also a good time to tie up all the connections between new protag, Inq, all the other chars, discoveries, for the final show down.

[nightscrawl]

The Inquisitor(s) - of any race and sex - have gotten to know Solas in a way a new character cannot. They have seen different sides of Solas. Whether they were lovers, good friends, or hated each other.

My biggest fear with a new character coming up, is that the character will just see Solas as "the crazy evil elf who needs to be destroyed", making Solas a mediocre villain and lessening his character a lot :/

This is a REALLY good point. I think with a new protagonist, if Solas is the central "baddie" in the next game, you do run the risk of him being not as developed in that game for the new PC because they don't actually know the character.

It's also starting to seem like they're leaning more heavily on previous installments to tell background than ever before. And if they continue to do so, I don't really see the point of a new protagonist in the first place.

For example, I don't really think that the mage/templar conflict in DAI -- as neutered as it was -- has as much weight without already having played at least DA2 (and DAO helps), and reading Asunder. It just seems that as the series has gone on that they care less and less about how the game world is presented to new players of the franchise.

Granted, as someone who has played all three games numerous times, seeing the same information rehashed over and over again can be tedious, but it doesn't always have to be done in the same way. And too, having that information presented to a new PC can help with roleplay.
 

Unless it starts that way and then the new protagonist meets the Inquisitor and gets more information about Solas.. but still the connection wouldn't be the same.

Yepper, I agree. The connection won't be there. The new PC will never see Solas as anything but an enemy to be stopped, no matter what sort of background information comes out about the character. It's just not the same as having known him before.

[Dabrikishaw]

For example, I don't really think that the mage/templar conflict in DAI -- as neutered as it was -- has as much weight without already having played at least DA2 (and DAO helps), and reading Asunder. It just seems that as the series has gone on that they care less and less about how the game world is presented to new players of the franchise.

Good.

[robertthebard]

from a narrative standpoint it suits the Inquisitor being the protag in the next game, If its finishing up the Solas story line.

Sure, so long as we ignore the actual narrative, you know, the part where the Inquisitor and company are around the table stating that they can't be the ones to go after him, because they know how they work, yes, ignoring the actual narrative, it makes sense, narratively...

[lumosriddles]

I'd really love a dual protagonist-game, or a game where the there is a new PC, but the Inquisitor is there a lot. Like... not short cameo, but actually plays a huge role, and even (like with Hawke and Stroud/Loghain/Alistair) goes with you at the end to either stop Solas or redeem him, and depending on what kind of relationship they had (friends/disliked each other/lovers) there could be different outcomes to this. Especially since my "canon"-Inquisitor and Solas were friends, it'd be a shame if that friendship didn't somehow count for something in the end.

 

But let me be honest here, if I had to choose between a new character and my Inquisitor, I'd choose my Inquisitor any day. I really didn't expect to be so attached to her, especially seeing as I loved Hawke, but was never so attached that I couldn't sacrifice her over Alistair (although, Flemmeth's comment about not hesitating to leap into the abyss in DAII played a huge part in why I sacrificed Hawke as well). I still haven't gotten over the Warden, and I just really want her to return. I understand with all these expectations people are bound to be disappointed however Bioware makes her/him, but I really just want her back. So no, we don't just get attached and move on. I didn't expect that I'd even like the Inquisitor, but the story just captured me, and I really came to love her.

 

I understand that it can be too dull for some people if the same protagonist came back in a DA game, and that's why I think the best option would be an Inquisitor-heavy game with a new PC or dual protagonists.

[ask_again_later]

 
Uhm... we don't have to worry about the whole "slowly dying" part since the Anchor is now gone, and so is our hand.

I have a 360 so I couldn't get the DLC. All I know is what I've seen in walkthrough videos. I remember Solas saying something about the Anchor killing the Inquisitor.

 

EDIT: Looked it up. Well, damn. The Inquisitor almost has as much s****y luck as Hawke.

[ladyiolanthe]

Hum? What decision? Neither keeping the tattoo nor drinking from the vir'abelasan for sure...

 

I am really curious to find out what BioWare has in store for use, because I agree that the end of Trespasser leaves the probability that the Inquisitor will (must, in some capacity, though not necessarily as our protagonist) return. However, I'm not sure how well the Inquisitor could be played as our PC again.  Here's why:

 

If indeed Solas took the spirit of Mythal from Flemeth at the end of the main game, the writers might have to come up with some serious deus ex machina for all the players who chose to have their Inquisitors drink from the Well of Sorrows.That's because we were put under a geas by Mythal. Flemeth was able to use the geas to compel the Inquisitor because she had Mythal's spirit. Now Solas has Mythal's spirit. In theory, he would be able to compel the Inquisitor to do stuff for him, because there is no suggestion that he lifted the geas when they meet at the end of Trespasser. The Inquisitor, in fact, doesn't even know that Solas ended Flemeth-Mythal and took her spirit (and probably, too, Urthemiel's soul) so they can't even know that Solas has this power over them.

 

I feel that an Inquisitor whom Solas could mind-control into doing things for him would make for a difficult protagonist for us to play in a war against Solas.  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I am really curious to find out what BioWare has in store for use, because I agree that the end of Trespasser leaves the probability that the Inquisitor will (must, in some capacity, though not necessarily as our protagonist) return. However, I'm not sure how well the Inquisitor could be played as our PC again.  Here's why:

 

If indeed Solas took the spirit of Mythal from Flemeth at the end of the main game, the writers might have to come up with some serious deus ex machina for all the players who chose to have their Inquisitors drink from the Well of Sorrows.That's because we were put under a geas by Mythal. Flemeth was able to use the geas to compel the Inquisitor because she had Mythal's spirit. Now Solas has Mythal's spirit. In theory, he would be able to compel the Inquisitor to do stuff for him, because there is no suggestion that he lifted the geas when they meet at the end of Trespasser. The Inquisitor, in fact, doesn't even know that Solas ended Flemeth-Mythal and took her spirit (and probably, too, Urthemiel's soul) so they can't even know that Solas has this power over them.

 

I feel that an Inquisitor whom Solas could mind-control into doing things for him would make for a difficult protagonist for us to play in a war against Solas.  

Simple: Just have the part of her that can control the Geass and the part that has Urthemiel's soul when applicable be in that ball of light she sends away before Solas encounters her. For all we know FleMythal is still around, and Solas just assimilated a fragment of her. She's done it before, so no reason she can't do it again. 

[ladyiolanthe]

Simple: Just have the part of her that can control the Geass and the part that has Urthemiel's soul when applicable be in that ball of light she sends away before Solas encounters her. For all we know FleMythal is still around, and Solas just assimilated a fragment of her. She's done it before, so no reason she can't do it again. 

 

I missed the part where she sends a ball of light away (some of the cut scenes skip a bit for me; that might be why).  Thanks!

[Zafireria]

I would love Bioware forever if our inquisitor becomes the next protagonist and with the option to deal with Solas to either redeem or kill him as we promised we would.

 

One thing has me wondering tho. Before Trespasser, there were no indications that the anchor was going to kill the inquisitor eventually (or I might have missed that) so what made Bioware take that decision in Trespasser? Was it a excuse so we could search and find Solas? Tho I don't believe the anchor was needed in order to do so, it added some suspends and you wondered if your character would die, but else you could have gone ahead with the quests without it. 

So what made them choose to add that? I fear they did it so they could say "No arm = Not playable" but then again they resurrected Leliana if she was dead in your play-through, so they could easily make a new arm appear. 

 

Ugh. I wish we soon would hear something from Bioware about the next game, but I fear we have to wait a long time. 

[myahele]

With the event of Trespasser I'd really have to agree that Inquisitor needs to be the protagonist, I just can't imagine Inquisitor playing a small role like Hawke ended up doing.

 

But it seems as if the devs stripped as much of the Inquisitor's "power" as much as possible: no more right hand and the inquisitions influence/ power seem to wane even if you choose to keep it

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I missed the part where she sends a ball of light away (some of the cut scenes skip a bit for me; that might be why).  Thanks!

You're welcome.

[almasy87]

I think Urthemiel's soul was sent to Morrigan through the Eluvian.

However.. what if it was Mythal's soul that was sent to Morrigan, and Solas just got scr*wed by Flemeth and all he got was Urthemiel's soul?

Probably not possible, but it made me wonder - in that case we would be under Morrigan's command.......

Tbh that is even worse in my eyes. I'd rather be Solas' slave

Oook, just joking

But really, I'm dying to know more.. I wish that just like in Trespasser, we could also fast forward 2 years from now XD

[Kezza]

With the event of Trespasser I'd really have to agree that Inquisitor needs to be the protagonist, I just can't imagine Inquisitor playing a small role like Hawke ended up doing.
 
But it seems as if the devs stripped as much of the Inquisitor's "power" as much as possible: no more right hand and the inquisitions influence/ power seem to wane even if you choose to keep it

I disagree with the events of Trespasser it makes total sense to not have the inquisitor to not be the protagonist. They say it themselves they need someone new to face Solas as he knows every single move you would make.

I don't know, being only second to the Divine puts you in a very influential position.

[Zafireria]

Tbh that is even worse in my eyes. I'd rather be Solas' slave

Oook, just joking

 

I am assuming you are one of the people who would have followed Solas through the mirror given the option?  

[almasy87]

I am assuming you are one of the people who would have followed Solas through the mirror given the option?

Possibly. If I had been given more information on how exactly he plans to do what he wants to do, what will this entail etc (I still have a little trust that it won't be as bad and terrible as everybody seems to be making it), if there had been an option to help him, I probably would have.

But he is not of the same idea  

But jokes aside, I just said it because Morrigan annoyed me in DAI, with her "I-know-it-all" attitude and telling me off for suggesting the Well is also my heritage.. So I don't know. I wouldn't want to be under her command before I know what Mythal's plans are, since she will mostly be Mythal's puppet as well regardless of what she thinks

[Zafireria]

Possibly. If I had been given more information on how exactly he plans to do what he wants to do, what will this entail etc (I still have a little trust that it won't be as bad and terrible as everybody seems to be making it), if there had been an option to help him, I probably would have.

But he is not of the same idea  

But jokes aside, I just said it because Morrigan annoyed me in DAI, with her "I-know-it-all" attitude and telling me off for suggesting the Well is also my heritage.. So I don't know. I wouldn't want to be under her command before I know what Mythal's plans are, since she will mostly be Mythal's puppet as well regardless of what she thinks

 

I am not sure Solas knows himself, if he did he would have already done it. Providing he doesn't have the object yet (assuming he needs an artefact or object of some sort)

What if the only difference in the trespasser would be to be able to follow him (same amount of information, fights, etc) would you?

 

Not sure a dead god can have a plan. So far I know Mythal's soul is still intact, but I am not sure they can think in that state. If so, then problem solved. If not we might get a "Plan? Me? What?" respond if she ever is able to speak xD

[Obsidian Gryphon]

I would love Bioware forever if our inquisitor becomes the next protagonist and with the option to deal with Solas to either redeem or kill him as we promised we would.

 

One thing has me wondering tho. Before Trespasser, there were no indications that the anchor was going to kill the inquisitor eventually (or I might have missed that) so what made Bioware take that decision in Trespasser? Was it a excuse so we could search and find Solas? Tho I don't believe the anchor was needed in order to do so, it added some suspends and you wondered if your character would die, but else you could have gone ahead with the quests without it. 

So what made them choose to add that? I fear they did it so they could say "No arm = Not playable" but then again they resurrected Leliana if she was dead in your play-through, so they could easily make a new arm appear. 

 

Ugh. I wish we soon would hear something from Bioware about the next game, but I fear we have to wait a long time. 

 

I've the impression that the Anchor remained inert for two years; the inquisitor was perhaps handling (closing) some small rifts scattered around with increasing management of the inquisition. I think it would have remained so if the inquisitor had not gone to the Crossroads. This begs the question of whether Solas had a hand in the pushing the events of Trespasser, forcing the inquisitor to look for him so the Anchor can be removed. Why? Because he likely still needs it.

[Zafireria]

I've the impression that the Anchor remained inert for two years; the inquisitor was perhaps handling (closing) some small rifts scattered around with increasing management of the inquisition. I think it would have remained so if the inquisitor had not gone to the Crossroads. This begs the question of whether Solas had a hand in the pushing the events of Trespasser, forcing the inquisitor to look for him so the Anchor can be removed. Why? Because he likely still needs it.

 

Hmm a possibility, but if he wanted the Anchor then why did he go through the mirror while the arm was still melting/turning to stone/etc? Did he wait till you had ran home to sneak back and pick it up? I suppose he could've but still seems a bit far off. Also you visit the crossroad with Morrigan, why didn't it react there? Maybe she wasn't there long enough but who knows. 

[Abyss108]

Hmm a possibility, but if he wanted the Anchor then why did he go through the mirror while the arm was still melting/turning to stone/etc? Did he wait till you had ran home to sneak back and pick it up? I suppose he could've but still seems a bit far off. Also you visit the crossroad with Morrigan, why didn't it react there? Maybe she wasn't there long enough but who knows. 

 

He had already taken the anchor at that point... That's what he does when he grabs your arm or kisses you. Your arm was melting/turning stone/dropping magic-y sparks/whatever at that point because of the loss of the anchor.

[Zafireria]

He had already taken the anchor at that point... That's what he does when he grabs your arm or kisses you. Your arm was melting/turning stone/dropping magic-y sparks/whatever at that point because of the loss of the anchor.

 

Oooooooh! I see, hadn't thought of that. Tho, why now? He had the option many times, especially if you romanced him. Was he still too weak?

[almasy87]

Yeah I believe so. He needed to absorb Mythal's/Flemeth's powers first.

Otherwise he could have simply removed the Anchor at the beginning of the story when he was "taking care of you" while you slept