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[vbibbi]

So, what do you think about it? We know that our Inquisitors can have their arms replaced with a prosthetic (Trespasser DLC Ending) and for the first time our hero is well placed to return as the next DA's protagonist.

Also, we know that even though ME was always about Shepard, the next ME will feature a new protagonist. So Bioware could make an exception in DA's case too.
 

Finally, how could the next DA look like if Inquis was the protagonist? Which characters could return as our companions? Where in Tevinter could be our main base? Do you like the idea of upgradable prosthetic?

[Former_Fiend]

Honestly, if the Inquisitor isn't the protagonist of the next game, I probably won't buy it. 

 

It would be the mage-templar conflict all over again. Spend a hundred hours building up to a massive conflict, then drop it in favor of another plot. That's... Not how writing is supposed to work.

 

I really don't have any reason to get involved in whatever the next plotline will be, if theres is a 2/3 chance it won't be concluded, or will be concluded off screen, or with a completely different character.

 

I want Solas to be the main antagonist of the next game, I just don't want the Inquisitor to be part of the resolution. 

 

Bioware completely failed to hook me on the relationship between the Inquisitor and Solas as being anything meaningful and the idea of an entire game's conflict being based around that isn't appealing to me. I'd rather they start over and try again rather than starting from a foundation that, as far as I'm concerned, is made of sand. 

 

If the Inquisitor is the protagonist of the next DA game, then I'll skip it and hope they come to their senses for the one after that.

[Former_Fiend]

I don't feel quite that against it, but I will definitely wait for a price drop before buying if they do go with the Inquisitor again.

 

I'm very adamant about it. If the Inquisitor is the protagonist I won't even borrow the game from a friend.

[Nefla]

Honestly, if the Inquisitor isn't the protagonist of the next game, I probably won't buy it. 

 

It would be the mage-templar conflict all over again. Spend a hundred hours building up to a massive conflict, then drop it in favor of another plot. That's... Not how writing is supposed to work.

 

I really don't have any reason to get involved in whatever the next plotline will be, if theres is a 2/3 chance it won't be concluded, or will be concluded off screen, or with a completely different character.

Same here on all counts.

[greenbrownblue]

I'm very adamant about it. If the Inquisitor is the protagonist I won't even borrow the game from a friend.

I would not stop playing Dragon Age no matter who is the protagonist.

If you would not even bother to give DAIV a shot because Inquis is a protagonist, then it means you are not a fan. Just a casual gamer.

[Abyss108]

I would not stop playing Dragon Age no matter who is the protagonist.

If you would not even bother to give DAIV a shot because Inquis is a protagonist, then it means you are not a fan. Just a casual gamer.

 

Guess I'm casual gamer too then since I won't buy it if the Inquisitor isn't the protagonist.

 

Never knew that thousands of hours playing each of the games on the hardest difficulty, getting numerous other people into the series, reading all the books, buying over half the merchandise from the DA store, learning the made up Elvhen language, and spending years discussing theories about the game wasn't enough to make me a fan. 

 

But then again, I thought being a fan meant I enjoy the series, not that I will blindly buy any product the company puts out.

[mgagne]

Guess I'm casual gamer too then since I won't buy it if the Inquisitor isn't the protagonist.

 

 

You could at least wait to see what Bio has to offer in their next installment before rejecting it out of hand, years in advance...

 

 

Personally I'd rather have a cameo of the ex inquisitor than a full game played as him or her but what I want above all else, no matter who the protagonist is, is the chance the slit the throat of that treacherous ****** Solas.

[Beerfish]

I was going to start a new thread but this one seems to be talking about the next protagonist.

 

I think our next hero is going to be a Seeker.  They make quite a point in the epilogue of saying Cassandra had indeed started rebuilding the seekers and they were on some unknown task or project.  They then make a point of saying that solas knows all about the inquisition and all included and then the Quizzy states we will find someone he doesn't know about.

[Anvos]

Seekers aren't likely really welcome in Tevintar I'd expect, considering their largely known as agents of the White Divine and Tevintar told them to get out a long time ago.

 

Inquisition meanwhile its harder to argue against when one of their own Magisters was a member.

[Beerfish]

Seekers aren't likely really welcome in Tevintar I'd expect, considering their largely known as agents of the White Divine and Tevintar told them to get out a long time ago.

 

Inquisition meanwhile its harder to argue against when one of their own Magisters was a member.

But these are not the same ole same ole seekers, the order us being totally rebuilt.  Tevinter it sounds is going to have a lot on their plate with the Qunari.

 

The Inquisition will have some kind of part as your choice about them seems to be set up for further happenings but the quizzy makes a pretty big deal out of saying we have to find someone Solas knows nothing about.

 

In any case we will be discussing this for 3 years or so. 

[Abyss108]

You could at least wait to see what Bio has to offer in their next installment before rejecting it out of hand, years in advance...

 

I primary enjoy Dragon Age for the story. I loved the build up to the mage-templar war and was excited to see those two sides go against each other. But then that plot was abandoned without us getting to see it play out. 

 

I love the build up between the Inquisitor-Solas. If that gets abandoned halfway through, I'm going to see a very bad pattern.

 

If every plotline I like doesn't get a resolution, I have no reason to invest in the next one, because that probably won't have a resolution either.

[greenbrownblue]

Guess I'm casual gamer too then since I won't buy it if the Inquisitor isn't the protagonist.

 

Never knew that thousands of hours playing each of the games on the hardest difficulty, getting numerous other people into the series, reading all the books, buying over half the merchandise from the DA store, learning the made up Elvhen language, and spending years discussing theories about the game wasn't enough to make me a fan. 

 

But then again, I thought being a fan meant I enjoy the series, not that I will blindly buy any product the company puts 

You would not be a fan of the whole DA, for sure.

 

You could at least wait to see what Bio has to offer in their next installment before rejecting it out of hand, years in advance...

 

I totally agree. 

[greenbrownblue]

I was going to start a new thread but this one seems to be talking about the next protagonist.

 

I think our next hero is going to be a Seeker.  They make quite a point in the epilogue of saying Cassandra had indeed started rebuilding the seekers and they were on some unknown task or project.  They then make a point of saying that solas knows all about the inquisition and all included and then the Quizzy states we will find someone he doesn't know about.

Does not sound like an attractive protagonist... Especially because it would limit race choice, specializations... Nonono... Impossible.

[sjsharp2011]

You could at least wait to see what Bio has to offer in their next installment before rejecting it out of hand, years in advance...

 

 

Personally I'd rather have a cameo of the ex inquisitor than a full game played as him or her but what I want above all else, no matter who the protagonist is, is the chance the slit the throat of that treacherous ****** Solas.

yeah I think it's moer likely that the Inquisitor will likely play a cameo role if they do appear aqgain that is. I think it's moer likely that if they do appear it'll be as an advisor to the new protagonist though. Kind of what Hawke was in a sense with the Inquisitor when they dropped by to brief on who or what Corypheus was. Given Hawke and Varric were the only ones who knew anything about him.

[Nefla]

Personally I'd rather have a cameo of the ex inquisitor than a full game played as him or her but what I want above all else, no matter who the protagonist is, is the chance the slit the throat of that treacherous ****** Solas.

He's not treacherous if you're playing a new character though, why would a new character care about him beyond "he's the bad guy and I must stop him?" The first and second parts of your statement seem to directly contradict each other    You want to carry out a personal vendetta of revenge but not as the character who has that vendetta?

[loyallyroyal]

I would prefer to never see my Inquisitor again if it is just an uncontrollable cameo like Hawke. Either make them THE pc, a dual protagonist, or write them off completely.

 

If they decide to just write them off then they should of left Solas cryptic, and had the Inquisitor retire.

[MuggsBG]

Just give me a low down, run of the mill back alley party that I can gradually turn into demon slaying, elf murdering ball of death. What? You say my boss has only one hand? He can still pay me with it, right? Done deal.

[Darkly Tranquil]

I would not stop playing Dragon Age no matter who is the protagonist.

If you would not even bother to give DAIV a shot because Inquis is a protagonist, then it means you are not a fan. Just a casual gamer.

Who died and made you arbiter of who is fan? Get off your high horse.

[mgagne]

He's not treacherous if you're playing a new character though, why would a new character care about him beyond "he's the bad guy and I must stop him?" The first and second parts of your statement seem to directly contradict each other    You want to carry out a personal vendetta of revenge but not as the character who has that vendetta?

 

 

I've been online a great many years and in that time I've learned it is entirely pointless to debate with anyone since most people involved in such don't know each other and thus have no reason to reach a compromise.  I come to these forums because I enjoy Dragon Age, and to share my thoughts on the matter.  I don't debate, I make pronouncements - whether one agrees with those or not is irrelevant.  As Flemmeth once said: "People believe what they want to believe, that's all they ever do."

 

That being said, it is you I think who misunderstands the motivation behind that statement.  These characters have no lives of their own, they merely reflect one aspect or another of the player's personality; thus *I* was the one betrayed, not the inquisitor who was nothing more than myself in drag.  And I'm not the forgiving type.  I assure you that whatever disguise I wear in the next chapter, *I* will enjoy every second of Solas' destruction.

[robertthebard]

You would not be a fan of the whole DA, for sure.

So what exactly is it that meets the criteria of being a fan? Do we have to believe exactly what you believe? Do we have to register on your website and support you no matter what you have to say? Assuming the New game/New protagonist model is actually followed, are we going to have to go to sites that sell the game and mark positive reviews as spam, because that's what the original Take Back movement was doing with ME 3, it's the only reason I started playing the series.

You see, despite what your rather high opinion of yourself dictates in your inner monologue, you're not all that important to the rest of us, just another anonymous face on the internet, trying to dictate what we should or shouldn't do in order to meet your arbitrary definition of "fan". I'm a fan of BioWare, I have been since Baldur's Gate. I recently stepped out of their MMO, however, because I didn't appreciate being told that the game bugging out was something that they weren't going to "fix", since it wasn't a class mission that bugged out. I put in the time for nothing, and nothing's what they're going to get from me. Guess what, it's my money, and I'll spend it where I'm happy to spend it, and won't where I'm not, and if that means that I'm not able to believe the way the Inquisitor is brought back, assuming they are, then that means I won't be buying that game.

I absolutely loved NWN 2, but it took me 10 years from the release of the first expansion to buy it, because I disliked Atari's handling of DRM issues, including that DRM preventing me from exercising legitimate licenses for totally unrelated software on my computer. This wouldn't be any different, and frankly, it may well mean that I quit following DA entirely. It wouldn't be the first time, and it won't be the last. You see, if I'm not satisfied as a customer, I'm not required to spend any money, regardless of whether you consider me a fan or not.

[sylvanaerie]

He's not treacherous if you're playing a new character though, why would a new character care about him beyond "he's the bad guy and I must stop him?" The first and second parts of your statement seem to directly contradict each other    You want to carry out a personal vendetta of revenge but not as the character who has that vendetta?

Since my 'canon' inquisitor was a Dalish mage, Solas was her 'mentor' and friend.  She really wants to 'redeem' him, not kill him out of hand.  I don't know how they will be resolving the story in DA4 yet, or even if it will be front and center.  Bioware may come out with something completely different as the main focus with Solas' plan in the background.

 

I'd like the Inquisitor to make a showing anyway (with the option to recreate her/him in the CC like we did with custom Hawke) as an advisor/helper like Hawke was in Inquisition.  So our new protagonist has an idea what he's supposed to be doing.  If your inquisitor had it in for the elf and wanted his head on a platter, then you could convey that via dialogues.  If your inquisitor was the 'we have to redeem him' I'd like to see that viewpoint displayed.  Whether we end up killing him or just beating the holy howling snot out of him till he gets the point, I'd like our choices as the inquisitor to matter.

 

But I look forward to playing a new person next game, and have no desire to step back into the inquisitor's shoes.

[Matriarch]

I think Bioware will give us a new PC but the Inquisitor will also play a big role in the future story. Of this, I am sure.

 

As to actually be joined by the Inquisitor and control them temporarily? If that were possible, it would be a new feature never experienced and hella badass!

[nightscrawl]

That was the tweet I was referencing. I thought the question being asked of him was a different one. My mistake. Thank you for finding the tweet.
 
And I wasn't intending to demand other people find the proof for me. I was simply iterating that I didn't have the exact wording at hand and the twitter thread was the place to look for it, even though I couldn't at the time. You do sound a bit "pissy", but you seem to have interpreted my sentence as some kind of demand on you, so I suppose I understand. No worries.

My apologies.
 
 

He does want it. He wanted Cory to create it, he just didn't think he'd survive the process. Of course, the fact that he even tells you all of this must be disregarded because it doesn't fit, right? You can play around with the semantics all you like, but riddle me this: Does your Inquisitor still have the anchor?

Oh, I know that, and I never argued that he didn't want it. I was just referencing the point about semantics in that "remove" can suggest something different from "take." In this particular case, Solas removes it because he wants to take it. Since he wants to take it from you, that necessitates its removal.

 

BUT he doesn't necessarily have to have wanted to take it in order for him to remove it. If I give you a haircut, I am removing your hair, but I don't want it for myself. So in the case of him not wanting it -- not applicable here -- he might also remove it for his own reasons. What those reasons might be, who can say? Perhaps it's his love or friendship for the Inquisitor? Perhaps he feels that it would be pointless to let the Inquisitor die, regardless of their relationship. Perhaps he has some other agenda, or use planned for the Inquisitor that we're not privy to. Or it might be that allowing the Anchor to kill the Inquisitor would render it inert or something, making it then useless to him.

 

I also don't think that any other motivations should be completely disregarded just because he wants the Anchor for himself. They may not be his sole motivation, but they're there.

 

And frankly, if a Solas-mancer wants to head-canon that one of the reasons he removed it (from the Inquisitor, because he wanted to take it) was to save his love's life, I don't see anything wrong with that.

[Nefla]

I've been online a great many years and in that time I've learned it is entirely pointless to debate with anyone since most people involved in such don't know each other and thus have no reason to reach a compromise.  I come to these forums because I enjoy Dragon Age, and to share my thoughts on the matter.  I don't debate, I make pronouncements - whether one agrees with those or not is irrelevant.  As Flemmeth once said: "People believe what they want to believe, that's all they ever do."

 

That being said, it is you I think who misunderstands the motivation behind that statement.  These characters have no lives of their own, they merely reflect one aspect or another of the player's personality; thus *I* was the one betrayed, not the inquisitor who was nothing more than myself in drag.  And I'm not the forgiving type.  I assure you that whatever disguise I wear in the next chapter, *I* will enjoy every second of Solas' destruction.

It just doesn't make sense to me to want to carry out a vendetta but not as the character who was wronged. You as the player may have the same feelings towards the situation regardless but that new and unrelated character won't have the same responses or interactions or emotional reactions when facing Solas. It goes from "you betrayed and manipulated me and now you'll pay!" to "you are a random evil guy and will now be defeated because I'm the hero." If a new hero is the one to defeat Solas then his betrayal will never be avenged.

[nightscrawl]

I'd like the Inquisitor to make a showing anyway (with the option to recreate her/him in the CC like we did with custom Hawke) as an advisor/helper like Hawke was in Inquisition.  So our new protagonist has an idea what he's supposed to be doing.  If your inquisitor had it in for the elf and wanted his head on a platter, then you could convey that via dialogues.  If your inquisitor was the 'we have to redeem him' I'd like to see that viewpoint displayed.  Whether we end up killing him or just beating the holy howling snot out of him till he gets the point, I'd like our choices as the inquisitor to matter.

 
I wouldn't mind this, and they could convey the Inquisitor's motivation based on the key reaction points in the conversation with Solas. However, I have a feeling that basing the Inquisitor's tone around that would be problematic, just as some players found Hawke's remarks problematic, and this is especially so for those who romanced him. I think the danger of stripping away agency in this case is much greater than with Hawke, since every player, and their Inquisitor, will have their own reaction to Solas and his plan.

 

If a new hero is the one to defeat Solas then his betrayal will never be avenged.

Since Bioware continually tells us that DA is the story of Thedas, they might just want to remove that element from the equation. So you would be stopping Solas as the new hero because he is this huge threat, and not because of the betrayal or other personal motivation.


Also, those who ardently want the Inquisitor to return should be wary. It might just be that we get the Inquisitor back, or even a dual protagonist, but they are sacrificed in some tragic way with no option to save them. Considering that David Gaider described the (planned) ending of the original DA2 expansion as "brutal," it is certainly something to keep in mind. Even though he is no longer the head writer, I wouldn't put it past those folks.