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[Former_Fiend]

I would not stop playing Dragon Age no matter who is the protagonist.

If you would not even bother to give DAIV a shot because Inquis is a protagonist, then it means you are not a fan. Just a casual gamer.

 

No, that means I'm not going to blindly swallow up whatever Bioware has to offer out of sheer gratitude and faith. 

 

I'm a huge fan of this franchise. I love this franchise. I've stood up for DA2, for DAI, against harsh criticism. 

 

But the fact is I have a line in the sand. They can make whatever game they want, but if that game doesn't appeal to me, the pressure isn't on me to buy it out of obligation to prove I'm a fan. 

 

If I think they're doing something wrong, if I think they're taking the story in a direction I don't like, if I think they're making a mistake, or if I just personally don't like what they're doing, then whining and moaning and complaining about it on this forum isn't going to mean anything if I still give them my money for the game. Bioware may listen to feedback but what they care about, what any sane business cares about, is it's bottom line. So I could rant and rave on these forums until my fingers bleed, but that won't be half as powerful as voting with my wallet and just not buying the game if I don't like the direction they're taking it. 

[Lady Luminous]

No, that means I'm not going to blindly swallow up whatever Bioware has to offer out of sheer gratitude and faith. 
 
I'm a huge fan of this franchise. I love this franchise. I've stood up for DA2, for DAI, against harsh criticism. 
 
But the fact is I have a line in the sand. They can make whatever game they want, but if that game doesn't appeal to me, the pressure isn't on me to buy it out of obligation to prove I'm a fan. 
 
If I think they're doing something wrong, if I think they're taking the story in a direction I don't like, if I think they're making a mistake, or if I just personally don't like what they're doing, then whining and moaning and complaining about it on this forum isn't going to mean anything if I still give them my money for the game. Bioware may listen to feedback but what they care about, what any sane business cares about, is it's bottom line. So I could rant and rave on these forums until my fingers bleed, but that won't be half as powerful as voting with my wallet and just not buying the game if I don't like the direction they're taking it.

Why not give it a shot and then return the game if you really dislike it?

I think you're doing yourself a disservice by not even trying the game over what you perceive as them going the wrong direction. Honestly, you have no idea if you'll like the game until you've tried it.

[Former_Fiend]

Why not give it a shot and then return the game if you really dislike it?

I think you're doing yourself a disservice by not even trying the game over what you perceive as them going the wrong direction. Honestly, you have no idea if you'll like the game until you've tried it.

 

Well they wouldn't be out any money in that scenario. You don't get a full refund on a game because you didn't like it. I'd get a fraction of my purchase price back in store credit that would most likely be immediately put back into the store, and Bioware and EA would still have their cuts.

 

Aside from that, I don't care how good the game is. The fact is that I cannot imagine a single scenario in which the Inquisitor is the PC that I would enjoy from a storyline stand point. My opposition to that is a matter of principle; hence my statement that I wouldn't borrow the game from a friend - something that would cost me no money and give none of my money to Bioware or EA.

 

I've never bought into the idea that you need to try something to know whether or not you'll like it. I like trying new things, but that doesn't mean I can't guess on whether or not I'll enjoy something. I don't need to amputate one of my limbs with a rusty chainsaw to know I wouldn't like that. I don't need to eat a plate of feces to know I wouldn't like that. And I don't need to play another DA game with the Inquisitor as the lead to know I wouldn't like that, either.

[Lady Luminous]

Well they wouldn't be out any money in that scenario. You don't get a full refund on a game because you didn't like it. I'd get a fraction of my purchase price back in store credit that would most likely be immediately put back into the store, and Bioware and EA would still have their cuts.
 
Aside from that, I don't care how good the game is. The fact is that I cannot imagine a single scenario in which the Inquisitor is the PC that I would enjoy from a storyline stand point. My opposition to that is a matter of principle; hence my statement that I wouldn't borrow the game from a friend - something that would cost me no money and give none of my money to Bioware or EA.
 
I've never bought into the idea that you need to try something to know whether or not you'll like it. I like trying new things, but that doesn't mean I can't guess on whether or not I'll enjoy something. I don't need to amputate one of my limbs with a rusty chainsaw to know I wouldn't like that. I don't need to eat a plate of feces to know I wouldn't like that. And I don't need to play another DA game with the Inquisitor as the lead to know I wouldn't like that, either.

I just don't see how borrowing the game from a friend would hurt in any way. I truly think your prejudice is getting in the way of you enjoying what could be a really strong game.

[wright1978]

I want Solas to be the main antagonist of the next game, I just don't want the Inquisitor to be part of the resolution. 

 

Bioware completely failed to hook me on the relationship between the Inquisitor and Solas as being anything meaningful and the idea of an entire game's conflict being based around that isn't appealing to me. I'd rather they start over and try again rather than starting from a foundation that, as far as I'm concerned, is made of sand. 

 

If the Inquisitor is the protagonist of the next DA game, then I'll skip it and hope they come to their senses for the one after that.

 

Yeah i'd very much consider not buying the game if the inquisitor was the main protagonist again.

[rapscallioness]

I think the big showdown with Solas will be in DA5, not the next game. It feels like something on that level will actually be the end of the DA series...as we know it. We may go into a new age. I hope so. But I just feel like it's going to be concluding soon. Eh.

 

Regardless, I don;t want Solas to be front and center next game. I want more build up of him as an antagonist. I think we'll run into his faction, but not him. We'll start unraveling his plan, but I don;t actually see him being a huge presence in the next game.

 

Then by DA5, after some more development, when we are faced with resolving his apocalyptic plan, that will be the end of the DA series. A new series will probably begin, though.

 

Solas is a slow burn antagonist. This is not wrapping up in the next game.

 

edit: at least I don't think so...

[Nefla]

Yeah i'd very much consider not buying the game if the inquisitor was the main protagonist again.

I'd definitely skip the next game if Solas was the antagonist and the inquisitor was NOT the protagonist again.

 

I'd probably be done with DA as a series at that point as well. I would have given up on it after Inquisition but Trespasser gave me a glimmer of hope that BioWare can still make an engaging story that flows as a whole rather than a bunch of lackluster random events slapped together with a water thin explanation given as to why it's relevant. The potential of playing a protagonist with a strong connection to the antagonist again and the potential of playing a protagonist who has to cope both physically and emotionally with the loss of a limb are the only things holding my interest at this point.

[shortbreadspacer]

I'd just like to point out that the Inquisitor doesn't have to be the only one with a personal reason to fight Solas, if he is indeed the main antagonist in DA4. A lot can happen between now and then, what's to say there isn't another tragedy that affects the new protagonist personally? Their family is killed by Solas' people, for example, then they volunteer to help the Inquisition take him down. 

 

I can see the new protag working directly under the Inquisitor and team's orders, and a cameo by the Inquisitor (but please, no Virmire/Fade choices, that trope is old and tired).

[Nefla]

I'd just like to point out that the Inquisitor doesn't have to be the only one with a personal reason to fight Solas, if he is indeed the main antagonist in DA4. A lot can happen between now and then, what's to say there isn't another tragedy that affects the new protagonist personally? Their family is killed by Solas' people, for example, then they volunteer to help the Inquisition take him down. 

 

I can see the new protag working directly under the Inquisitor and team's orders, and a cameo by the Inquisitor (but please, no Virmire/Fade choices, that trope is old and tired).

That's the exact kind of cheap and generic motivation I'd expect BioWare to give a new protagonist. "He killed my family/destroyed my village/whatever!" Which is one of the reasons I won't play DA4 if there's a new protagonist vs Solas.

[vbibbi]

That's the exact kind of cheap and generic motivation I'd expect BioWare to give a new protagonist. "He killed my family/destroyed my village/whatever!" Which is one of the reasons I won't play DA4 if there's a new protagonist vs Solas.

"He stole my head wax!"

[Nefla]

"He stole my head wax!"

Brilliant! It would give BioWare a story excuse for not modeling any hair for the protagonist

[shortbreadspacer]

That's the exact kind of cheap and generic motivation I'd expect BioWare to give a new protagonist. "He killed my family/destroyed my village/whatever!" Which is one of the reasons I won't play DA4 if there's a new protagonist vs Solas.

I disagree that it's cheap - he's literally threatening the entirety of Thedas, and there are plenty of people willing to fight for various other causes as we've seen over and over again in this series - but I agree that it's more satisfying for the Inquisitor to be the one to actually either kill him or save him in the final act. But I don't think the IQ needs to be the playable protag throughout the entire game.

 

I'm sure there will be other conflicts going on, too. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think the big showdown with Solas will be in DA5, not the next game. It feels like something on that level will actually be the end of the DA series...as we know it. We may go into a new age. I hope so. But I just feel like it's going to be concluding soon. Eh.

Patrick Weekes said that the next game will be the one to finish the Solas story. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd just like to point out that the Inquisitor doesn't have to be the only one with a personal reason to fight Solas, if he is indeed the main antagonist in DA4. A lot can happen between now and then, what's to say there isn't another tragedy that affects the new protagonist personally? Their family is killed by Solas' people, for example, then they volunteer to help the Inquisition take him down. 

 

I can see the new protag working directly under the Inquisitor and team's orders, and a cameo by the Inquisitor (but please, no Virmire/Fade choices, that trope is old and tired).

Why would the protagonist whose family was wiped out by Solas want to redeem Solas? 

[Nefla]

I disagree that it's cheap - he's literally threatening the entirety of Thedas, and there are plenty of people willing to fight for various other causes as we've seen over and over again in this series - but I agree that it's more satisfying for the Inquisitor to be the one to actually either kill him or save him in the final act. But I don't think the IQ needs to be the playable protag throughout the entire game.

 

I'm sure there will be other conflicts going on, too. And as others have pointed out it could very well be that Solas isn't dealt with until DA5 (last installment?). But if that's the case I feel bad for the Solavellans.

I should reword that. The whole "he killed my family/village" or simply "he's a bad guy that's trying to destroy the world and someone needs to stop him so it might as well be me" are over relied on as motivation not compelling to me in the slightest and would actively put me off the story.

[shortbreadspacer]

Patrick Weekes said that the next game will be the one to finish the Solas story. 

Then we can move onto the Titan war?

[shortbreadspacer]

Why would the protagonist whose family was wiped out by Solas want to redeem Solas? 

Good point. I dunno, just trying to think of a way to make it personal for the protag.  

[Nefla]

Good point. I dunno, just trying to think of a way to make it personal for the protag.  

No reason to attempt to make a second personal vendetta that will inevitably be hastily done and less strong when you already have an existing history/vendetta with interesting potential.

[nightscrawl]

I'd just like to point out that the Inquisitor doesn't have to be the only one with a personal reason to fight Solas, if he is indeed the main antagonist in DA4. A lot can happen between now and then, what's to say there isn't another tragedy that affects the new protagonist personally? Their family is killed by Solas' people, for example, then they volunteer to help the Inquisition take him down. 
 
I can see the new protag working directly under the Inquisitor and team's orders, and a cameo by the Inquisitor (but please, no Virmire/Fade choices, that trope is old and tired).

That's the exact kind of cheap and generic motivation I'd expect BioWare to give a new protagonist. "He killed my family/destroyed my village/whatever!" Which is one of the reasons I won't play DA4 if there's a new protagonist vs Solas.

I disagree that it's cheap - he's literally threatening the entirety of Thedas, and there are plenty of people willing to fight for various other causes as we've seen over and over again in this series - but I agree that it's more satisfying for the Inquisitor to be the one to actually either kill him or save him in the final act. But I don't think the IQ needs to be the playable protag throughout the entire game.
 
I'm sure there will be other conflicts going on, too.

 
I also think it's a cheap way of getting out of using the Inquisitor. Yes, the scenario described could happen -- Solas is threatening the entirety of Thedas, and supposedly has agents all over the place. But one of the key differences is that the Inquisitor knew him before all of this happened. Even if it is the negative view of many expressed on these forums, they will still look at Solas with more nuance because of their personal interaction with him than would EVER be possible with a new protagonist. There is only so much you can get across with Story Time with the Inquisitor.

[nightscrawl]

Patrick Weekes said that the next game will be the one to finish the Solas story. 

 

Source please.

[roselavellan]

I remember that Weekes said that Solasmancers will get closure, but that's not exactly the same, of course. Was there something else he said?

[Former_Fiend]

I just don't see how borrowing the game from a friend would hurt in any way. I truly think your prejudice is getting in the way of you enjoying what could be a really strong game.

 

It would hurt in that I have better uses of my time than watching the Inquisitor deal with issues with a character that I was "meh" about throughout the entire game. 

 

There simply speaking is no way I can enjoy a game where the central conflict revolves around the relationship between those two characters, and if the game's conflict does not revolve around the relationship between those two characters, then there is no reason for the Inquisitor to be the main character. 

 

What I want is a clean slate. I don't want to play a character who is on a first name basis with the Divine. I don't want to play a character who has had a role in determining the ruler of Orlais, or the fate of the Grey Wardens. I don't want to play a character that has any ties to the Inquisition as an organization whatsoever. Ideally with no ties to Southern Thedas whatsoever. I don't hate the Inquisitor, but I want to move on from them. And I loathe the Inquisition as an organization with a passion. 

 

I want to play a new hero who forges their own legend. I want to see someone else in this world display some agency when it comes to controlling their fate instead of staying out of it so some one armed, nutjob cult leader from the south can work out some issues with the elf he had three conversations with and who painted a mural in his honor for some reason.

 

I don't want to give Solas the satisfaction of being stopped by someone he likes and respects such as my Inquisitor. I want him to be stopped by one of the millions of people who he doesn't think deserve to live. 

 

And I don't want to play a character with a gimmicky artificial arm. 

 

There is literally nothing about playing as the Inquisitor again that appeals to me, and there is nothing they can do to make it appealing.

[Han Master]

No thanks, unlike the warden who most likely gotten his/her strength thanks to arch daemon blood. The inquisition only has the Mark which Solas controls anyway. 

[vbibbi]

 

 
I also think it's a cheap way of getting out of using the Inquisitor. Yes, the scenario described could happen -- Solas is threatening the entirety of Thedas, and supposedly has agents all over the place. But one of the key differences is that the Inquisitor knew him before all of this happened. Even if it is the negative view of many expressed on these forums, they will still look at Solas with more nuance because of their personal interaction with him than would EVER be possible with a new protagonist. There is only so much you can get across with Story Time with the Inquisitor.

 

Good point; as we have already seen in DAI, Bio is not above using source material outside of the current game in order to provide details necessary to understand the game. I can easily see them thinking that people who've played DAI will already have the necessary "relationship" with Solas as motivation to stop him, so they don't need to establish as clear a connection between a new PC in DA4 and Solas. They're using the player's prior experience to fill in the blanks for a new PC.

[robertthebard]

That's the exact kind of cheap and generic motivation I'd expect BioWare to give a new protagonist. "He killed my family/destroyed my village/whatever!" Which is one of the reasons I won't play DA4 if there's a new protagonist vs Solas.

Because "He broke my heart" is so much better? It's a fictional story with fictional characters and fictional motivations, and at the end of the day, they're all tropes, one way or another. I fully support your right to buy or not buy a game based on personal feelings, I'm in the same boat, but let's be real here, either motivation is "cheap and generic". After all, it boils down to either "we're going to save the world, again", or "we're going to remake the world in our image/take over the world". Which of those isn't "cheap and generic"?