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[shortbreadspacer]

I'll just put it this way - I personally would like to see the Solas arc wrapped up next game one way or the other, but as of right now, I definitely do not want to be my Inquisitor again, as much as I like her. I want a new character with new relationships and romance options. However, I'm going to keep an open mind and see what they come up with.

[Nefla]

I'll just put it this way - I personally would like to see the Solas arc wrapped up next game one way or the other, but as of right now, I definitely do not want to be my Inquisitor again, as much as I like her. I want a new character with new relationships and romance options. However, I'm going to keep an open mind and see what they come up with.

Personally I wish BioWare would make up their minds. Either use the same protagonist and the same friends/love interest/etc...and have that same group finish the story they started OR make a new protagonist, new plotline, new companions, etc...Don't start a plotline with one character and finish it with another unrelated person, don't start with a new character in a new country and have a shoehorned parade of the old character's companions as cameos or returning companions. >_<

[nightscrawl]

Because "He broke my heart" is so much better?

I don't understand why you keep shitting on the Solas-mancers. Not everyone who wants to confront Solas again as their Inquisitor played out the romance. As I've said in several posts now, the Inquisitor knew him before all this happens. Regardless of your relationship with him, even if you punched him in the face, that is something a new protagonist will NEVER have, and will only be able to see Solas as "the bad guy that must be stopped," particularly if they bring the new protagonist into the picture with some contrivance -- yes, I know they're all some sort of contrivance, but we have a protagonist that has already played out theirs.

Now, the only way the above can be avoided is if they introduce some fresh material to "humanize" him, like what was done with Calpernia. They should NOT rely on the previous game to add nuance to the next bad guy. But IMO it would have to be new stuff, because retreading old ground for the sake of the new PC would be incredibly boring.

 

Honestly, the biggest argument against bringing the Inquisitor back would be because they don't want the previous game to be required play, so each game can stand on its own. If we're just taking about the personal connection, there isn't really a point if a new player has none and is only going by what the DA Keep tells them. And if they go this route at all, I will wager that it will be as either a duel protagonist for a section of the game (since I doubt it will all revolve around Solas), or as a Hawke-like NPC -- more than a cameo, but not playable.

[Nefla]

@nightscrawl: Just put him on ignore. Some people aren't interested in discussion and only want to insult and attack. Those people aren't worth thinking about or responding to.

[shortbreadspacer]

re: personal stakes, I hadn't played Legacy yet when I first played Inquisition, so even though Hawke explained the connection the significance was kind of lost on me. They sort of already played out the "new pc takes on old pc's nemesis" thing. Of course, Solas is a much more interesting and threatening character and was a companion so this is a lot deeper than Cory, but maybe that was a trial run for BioWare.

[In Exile]

I don't understand why you keep shitting on the Solas-mancers. Not everyone who wants to confront Solas again as their Inquisitor played out the romance. As I've said in several posts now, the Inquisitor knew him before all this happens. Regardless of your relationship with him, even if you punched him in the face, that is something a new protagonist will NEVER have, and will only be able to see Solas as "the bad guy that must be stopped," particularly if they bring the new protagonist into the picture with some contrivance -- yes, I know they're all some sort of contrivance, but we have a protagonist that has already played out theirs.

Now, the only way the above can be avoided is if they introduce some fresh material to "humanize" him, like what was done with Calpernia. They should NOT rely on the previous game to add nuance to the next bad guy. But IMO it would have to be new stuff, because retreading old ground for the sake of the new PC would be incredibly boring.

 

Of course it will be new stuff. People whined about how it would be impossible to showcase Morrigan in any future DA game without the HOF because of how their stories were tied, especially with DR-related content, and yet I think DA:I managed a poignant portrayal, featuring a superior character, and handled that plot about as well as it was going to be handled for what was ultimately just a relatively minor endgame choice. 

 

It will be the same with Solas. But more to the point, people assume the DA4 Protagonist will start in opposition to Solas. That needn't be true. Solas could, again, play the role of the good guy. 

 

The point isn't to humanize Solas. It's to show a different facet of his character. 

 

Edit: Let me put it this way. You know who had a pre-existing relationship with Solas before DA:I? The Dalish clans who were really mean to him. Doesn't mean somehow DA:I didn't work without their pre-existing relationship. 

[Lady Artifice]

I'd prefer that they have a new protagonist, but that they give the Inquisitor an appearance.

 

And I really hope Solas isn't built up as the main antagonist.

[In Exile]

I'd prefer that they have a new protagonist, but that they give the Inquisitor an appearance.

And I really hope Solas isn't built up as the main antagonist.

I expect they'll do a story ala Trespasser. There will be a threat - perhaps even a Qunari threat - and Solas and will aid (likely indirectly) the DA4 protagonist. It will be exactly like Flemeth, IMO.

Eventually, if Bioware wants to wrap up Solas in DA4 we'll have a Master Li moment and the Inquisitor can appear on the stage.

But a cool idea, as I say, is to flip the roles. The Inquisitor is the seeming antagonist, Solas is the seeming helpful side character, until some mid-game reveal that turns the plot on its head.

[AresKeith]

I expect they'll do a story ala Trespasser. There will be a threat - perhaps even a Qunari threat - and Solas and will aid (likely indirectly) the DA4 protagonist. It will be exactly like Flemeth, IMO.

Eventually, if Bioware wants to wrap up Solas in DA4 we'll have a Master Li moment and the Inquisitor can appear on the stage.

But a cool idea, as I say, is to flip the roles. The Inquisitor is the seeming antagonist, Solas is the seeming helpful side character, until some mid-game reveal that turns the plot on its head.

 

#JadeEmpire2 pls Bioware 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I expect they'll do a story ala Trespasser. There will be a threat - perhaps even a Qunari threat - and Solas and will aid (likely indirectly) the DA4 protagonist. It will be exactly like Flemeth, IMO.

Eventually, if Bioware wants to wrap up Solas in DA4 we'll have a Master Li moment and the Inquisitor can appear on the stage.

But a cool idea, as I say, is to flip the roles. The Inquisitor is the seeming antagonist, Solas is the seeming helpful side character, until some mid-game reveal that turns the plot on its head.

Wasn't that basically DAI, though? As far as Solas' role.  It'd be retreading old ground. It'd also be completely ineffective cus he revealed his plans in Trespasser.  The only people who might be fooled are the completely new players who know nothing about the series. But again, they can get that same sense of being fooled and the possible sense of betrayal from the exact same character by playing DAI.

 

Honestly, the biggest argument against bringing the Inquisitor back would be because they don't want the previous game to be required play, so each game can stand on its own.

I agree. And I think that could be handled the same way me2 handled it. Or Witcher 3, if you don't import a save. An npc asks you about the major plot points/choices you made. In our case, it could be Dorian, after you meet up with him in Tevinter after the tutorial/prologue. He can pop open a bottle of wine and the two of you can go over your plans, the motivation for said plans, and "reminisce" about old times; all serving to catch up new players/remind old players about the major plot points in DAI and also establish how awesome drinking with Dorian is.

[ComedicSociopathy]

To be honest I find the idea of having Origin-like race stories in Tevinter more interesting then having a reunion with Solas. Not that the Solas plotline isn't interesting, it's just that Inquisitor themselves likely wouldn't be that interesting of a PC in Tevinter if they have no personal connections there beside possibly Dorian and Solas.  

 

Also, you can't tell me no here wants to roleplay a Tevinter Altus. That's just way to delicious of a Origin. 

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

I like the idea of making a new protagonist in Tevinter. I'd prefer DAO origins type of prologues where we got to see the circumstances of the new PC's life. I mean the point of the origins in Origins was to introduce us to this new world we'd never seen before. Sure, we know bare bones facts about Tevinter, but its practically a new world as far as social dynamics and culture goes. And I'd love to make a new PC with history in the Imperium itself. (I personally want to play a dwarf connected to the embassy or something.)

 

But I don't want anyone to determine Solas' fate, but my Inquisitors. And I want them to do so with me at their helm, making decisions. And I do feel the Inquisitor could work as the PC in a Tevinter game. They're an outsider to Tevinter, but being providing an outsider's perspective of Tevinter would work to their advantage as far as mechanics goes. We players are outsiders to this country, too. We know about as much about it as the Inquisitor does. It would give us a reasonable reason to ask all the semi-silly questions we want about how the Imperium works.

 

I want both, honestly. lol

 

However, the proper fulfillment of the Solas story arc takes priority for me. So if we don't have a dual protag scenario, I want the Inquisitor back instead of a new PC. The Inquisitor has to be there, in my mind. The new PC would just be something really nice to have.

[In Exile]

Wasn't that basically DAI, though? As far as Solas' role. It'd be retreading old ground. It'd also be completely ineffective cus he revealed his plans in Trespasser. The only people who might be fooled are the completely new players who know nothing about the series. But again, they can get that same sense of being fooled and the possible sense of betrayal from the exact same character by playing DAI.

I agree. And I think that could be handled the same way me2 handled it. Or Witcher 3, if you don't import a save. An npc asks you about the major plot points/choices you made. In our case, it could be Dorian, after you meet up with him in Tevinter after the tutorial/prologue. He can pop open a bottle of wine and the two of you can go over your plans, the motivation for said plans, and "reminisce" about old times; all serving to catch up new players/remind old players about the major plot points in DAI and also establish how awesome drinking with Dorian is.

You miss the point. It's not about fooling the player. Solas doesn't have a relationship with you. It's about portraying his character. He doesn't want to cause needless death. Showing Solas again in the role of the protagonist - which remember, he also is in Trespasser, since every single thing he does helps the Inquisitor - continues with the same theme.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Its still retreading old ground. I don't want Solas to be just a straight up evil bad guy. I don't think he ever will be. But him playing the mentoring role while in reality he is working towards your death... that's already happened.

 

Also, I honestly can't see Solas letting himself fall into that role with another character. It lets him have the chance to become friends with them and he is not exactly enjoying the results of going down that road right now.

[robertthebard]

I don't understand why you keep shitting on the Solas-mancers. Not everyone who wants to confront Solas again as their Inquisitor played out the romance. As I've said in several posts now, the Inquisitor knew him before all this happens. Regardless of your relationship with him, even if you punched him in the face, that is something a new protagonist will NEVER have, and will only be able to see Solas as "the bad guy that must be stopped," particularly if they bring the new protagonist into the picture with some contrivance -- yes, I know they're all some sort of contrivance, but we have a protagonist that has already played out theirs.

Now, the only way the above can be avoided is if they introduce some fresh material to "humanize" him, like what was done with Calpernia. They should NOT rely on the previous game to add nuance to the next bad guy. But IMO it would have to be new stuff, because retreading old ground for the sake of the new PC would be incredibly boring.
 
Honestly, the biggest argument against bringing the Inquisitor back would be because they don't want the previous game to be required play, so each game can stand on its own. If we're just taking about the personal connection, there isn't really a point if a new player has none and is only going by what the DA Keep tells them. And if they go this route at all, I will wager that it will be as either a duel protagonist for a section of the game (since I doubt it will all revolve around Solas), or as a Hawke-like NPC -- more than a cameo, but not playable.

I don't understand why listing one of many possible motivations is shitting on someone. I realize this seems to be extremely personal to you, but please, drop the victim mentality. It's not doing you any credit. If you want to quote me, quote me, don't cherry pick and attack like I stole your lunch money or something. Taking something out of context is generally bad form, and doesn't really speak well of the person that chooses to do it, and then come off as if I'm somehow victimizing them. Now, did you have a comment on something I actually said?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Also, you can't tell me no here wants to roleplay a Tevinter Altus. That's just way to delicious of a Origin. 

I don't.

[ComedicSociopathy]

I don't.

 

How about an Ambassadoria dwarf. A elven slave. Maybe even a human slave. Or how about a Vashoth mercanery where we actually get to play out one of those cool missions you tell Josie about. Anyone one of those could be interesting, add replayability, and having a PC with a real backstory would be nice to have again. 

[Nefla]

I don't.

Me either. Magical or not, I'm not interested in yet another human noble. If we were going to have a completely new story that has nothing to do with any of the past events or characters of previous games then I'd want to be an escaped slave rebellion leader (one of a group).

[Abyss108]

I don't understand why listing one of many possible motivations is shitting on someone. I realize this seems to be extremely personal to you, but please, drop the victim mentality. It's not doing you any credit. If you want to quote me, quote me, don't cherry pick and attack like I stole your lunch money or something. Taking something out of context is generally bad form, and doesn't really speak well of the person that chooses to do it, and then come off as if I'm somehow victimizing them. Now, did you have a comment on something I actually said?

 

Not the person you replied to, but I can certainly tell you why I think you are "shitting on someone", and its not because you disagree with them.

 

You came into the topic and immediately dismissed any opposing argument with people being emotional, rather than actually addressing their arguments. You have ignored posts responding to your points - and about how you had flatly made up points that the opposition has never said. 

 

You did this in your previous post where where you argued " he broke my heart" is a bad reason. Guess what - it is a bad reason - that's why no one has argued the Inquisitor needs to deal with this because maybe they dated once. You invented a ridiculous point and assigned it to us rather than address the points actually posted. You did this in a different post replying to me, you flat out invented a bunch of points I never said. And then when I pointed out how you had made these things up, you just ignored the post.

 

There are eight pages of people debating this, another ten+ on a different thread, and numerous threads before this. None of the other people in these threads, arguing on either side, are "shitting on someone". This isn't because you disagree with the Inquisitor returning.

[Abyss108]

How about an Ambassadoria dwarf. A elven slave. Maybe even a human slave. Or how about a Vashoth mercanery where we actually get to play out one of those cool missions you tell Josie about. Anyone one of those could be interesting, add replayability, and having a PC with a real backstory would be nice to have again. 

 

Sure, these could be interesting. But they are also stories that can be told in any game Bioware writes. The Solas plot, where you have an entire game of buildup, can only be told in this one. So I'd rather have that for DA4, and then these other stories for DA5, that way we can have both.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How about an Ambassadoria dwarf. A elven slave. Maybe even a human slave. Or how about a Vashoth mercanery where we actually get to play out one of those cool missions you tell Josie about. Anyone one of those could be interesting, add replayability, and having a PC with a real backstory would be nice to have again. 

I don't like having such predefined backstories for the protagonist, at least when it comes to a character you get to create and roleplay as. I prefer the protagonist to have their history and motivations be a blank slate and as fully in control by the player as possible.

[Former_Fiend]

I'll throw my hat in the "I don't want to be an Altus" ring. If there's one thing Nefla and I agree on it's that I'm tired of human nobles as well and would like to see something different, and let the dwarves cover the nobility aspect.

 

That being said I personally want to play as a qunari again. I know that became difficult with Dorian's Trespasser line but being that that in and of itself was a new development, it's a decision that can be reversed. 

 

Still, I do tend to go with mages for my second playthrough, and if I were to play a Tevinter mage I'd rather play a laetan than an altus.

[vbibbi]

I'll throw my hat in the "I don't want to be an Altus" ring. If there's one thing Nefla and I agree on it's that I'm tired of human nobles as well and would like to see something different, and let the dwarves cover the nobility aspect.
 
That being said I personally want to play as a qunari again. I know that became difficult with Dorian's Trespasser line but being that that in and of itself was a new development, it's a decision that can be reversed. 
 
Still, I do tend to go with mages for my second playthrough, and if I were to play a Tevinter mage I'd rather play a laetan than an altus.

I'll bet that Trespasser line was to leave the possibility of decreased PC race options in DA4. I doubt anything is decided yet, but if Bio follows DAI's production format, racial options might be the last things implemented, so they don't want to commit to too much this early.

[Rekkampum]

I think it would probably make more sense for there to be a buildup to the Inquisitor's return, perhaps after DA4, since it's implied that the Inner Circle will be working behind the scenes and going undercover in their crusade to stop Solas. Perhaps in a sequel to the game or later on in the plot once the stakes get really high. I'm personally in favor of a new protagonist or even a deuteragonist with the Inquisitor assisting from the shadows until it's time to strike. As a person who is disabled, I think it would be awesome for a disabled character - especially one we have such a strong connection to - to have a prominent role in a story.

[Arl Raylen]

Guys, here's how you fix the arm thing (if you think it needs to be fixed). Over time, the anchor's energy returns, and the Inquisitor gains an arm/appendage literally made of the stuff. Can you imagine the applications? The game can include Quizzy honing his powers over time, using them to enhance his natural abilities.

 

As you get stronger, the anchor arm turns from green to blue (or something else) to signify that the power is yours and no longer connected to Solas. In the last fight you go super saiyan, wrecking Solas and possibly the other elven gods with a Kamehameha like beam of magical energy, killing yourself in the process but becoming a legend in doing so.