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[greenbrownblue]

Guys, here's how you fix the arm thing (if you think it needs to be fixed). Over time, the anchor's energy returns, and the Inquisitor gains an arm/appendage literally made of the stuff. Can you imagine the applications? The game can include Quizzy honing his powers over time, using them to enhance his natural abilities.

 

As you get stronger, the anchor arm turns from green to blue (or something else) to signify that the power is yours and no longer connected to Solas. In the last fight you go super saiyan, wrecking Solas and possibly the other elven gods with a Kamehameha like beam of magical energy, killing yourself in the process but becoming a legend in doing so.

Wait... Again... You mean that Inquisitor's arm would grow back like a lizard's tail :v ?

[Arl Raylen]

Wait... Again... You mean that Inquisitor's arm would grow back like a lizard's tail :v ?

 

No the arm would still be gone. Think Bao-Dur's arm in Kotor II, except magical energy instead of technologically based energy. 

[Nefla]

Guys, here's how you fix the arm thing (if you think it needs to be fixed). Over time, the anchor's energy returns, and the Inquisitor gains an arm/appendage literally made of the stuff. Can you imagine the applications? The game can include Quizzy honing his powers over time, using them to enhance his natural abilities.

 

As you get stronger, the anchor arm turns from green to blue (or something else) to signify that the power is yours and no longer connected to Solas. In the last fight you go super saiyan, wrecking Solas and possibly the other elven gods with a Kamehameha like beam of magical energy, killing yourself in the process but becoming a legend in doing so.

Heck no!

 

I know that kind of idea appeals to a lot of people, but it's really off-putting to me. For one, I hate the whole "super special, unique chosen one" thing and for another, it pretty much undoes the severing of the hand and takes away the physical and emotional impact. I want physical and emotional impact. I want to not be able to do things as well as I did before but to tough through it and make it work anyway. I want any prosthetic to be a basic attachment that could work in the real world and not something magical and just as good or better than a real hand

[nightscrawl]

Also, you can't tell me no here wants to roleplay a Tevinter Altus. That's just way to delicious of a Origin.

I would love to play an altus. That said, they really need to move away from having the human PC be some sort of noble. They had a barbarian-type origin for DAO but that got cut, Hawke started out "humble" but was still from nobility, and of course we have the (non-mage) Trevelyan.

So, as much as I really would like to play an altus, I think they need to have it be some poor working stiff, or even a slave. If they do additional races that also enables them to start off on more or less equal footing, since neither an elf or a Qunari will be very high in society. Don't forget, even with the varied origins in DAO, once you actually left that prologue and became a warden, the slate was basically wiped clean and no origin had an advantage or disadvantage because of this.
 
 

I'll throw my hat in the "I don't want to be an Altus" ring. If there's one thing Nefla and I agree on it's that I'm tired of human nobles as well and would like to see something different, and let the dwarves cover the nobility aspect.
 
That being said I personally want to play as a qunari again. I know that became difficult with Dorian's Trespasser line but being that that in and of itself was a new development, it's a decision that can be reversed. 
 
Still, I do tend to go with mages for my second playthrough, and if I were to play a Tevinter mage I'd rather play a laetan than an altus.

I'll bet that Trespasser line was to leave the possibility of decreased PC race options in DA4. I doubt anything is decided yet, but if Bio follows DAI's production format, racial options might be the last things implemented, so they don't want to commit to too much this early.

If you play as a Qunari, during Dorian's "getting to know you" conversation he says, "I've met some Tal-Vashoth in my time, however. Mercenaries, and a few merchants. They're not the same as Qunari. Might easily be a different people altogether," and then, "Prejudices are deeply rooted back home, but I have more sympathy than most." So, Qunari are around. It's not completely impossible that they could have a Qunari race option in DA4, despite the location.

BUT, we've already had a Vashoth Qunari character. If they were to include a Qunari again, I think it would be the most interesting to have a Tal-Vashoth who consciously left for specific reasons, which you find out over the course of the game. I don't count Bull as a Tal-Vashoth companion, given that it is a player choice that he does not make voluntarily.

[robertthebard]

Not the person you replied to, but I can certainly tell you why I think you are "shitting on someone", and its not because you disagree with them.
 
You came into the topic and immediately dismissed any opposing argument with people being emotional, rather than actually addressing their arguments. You have ignored posts responding to your points - and about how you had flatly made up points that the opposition has never said.

I have indeed, when all they said was exactly the same thing I replied to in the first place. Some people go in for redundancy, I'm not one of them. I also didn't choose to snip one line of out context in a reply to another poster to accuse someone of "shitting" on someone else.
 

You did this in your previous post where where you argued " he broke my heart" is a bad reason. Guess what - it is a bad reason - that's why no one has argued the Inquisitor needs to deal with this because maybe they dated once. You invented a ridiculous point and assigned it to us rather than address the points actually posted. You did this in a different post replying to me, you flat out invented a bunch of points I never said. And then when I pointed out how you had made these things up, you just ignored the post.

The post that I quoted listed a few "generic" reasons for Inquisitor not returning being bad, I listed the reason I've seen here, in one form or another, as being just as bad. If that's shitting on someone, then they are too emotionally involved with some pixels.
 

There are eight pages of people debating this, another ten+ on a different thread, and numerous threads before this. None of the other people in these threads, arguing on either side, are "shitting on someone". This isn't because you disagree with the Inquisitor returning.

So it's all fun and games, until someone points out that there really isn't a good reason to bring the Inquisitor back. That's what this boils down to, or at least what started this little tangent. Ironically, the person I actually responded to with the post that has everyone "circling the wagons" hasn't approached me in any way, shape or form to ask me to stop shitting on them. Perhaps they actually read my post, caught the meaning and moved on? So far, the people with the biggest problem with the post in question, or the cherry picked version, haven't even presented anything but "You're being mean to us just because we want the Inquisitor back". This completely disregards, of course, my very first post in this thread, where I stated if they could make me believe it, I'd be fine with it. But hey, circle those wagons. It is, after all the BSN, and taking things out of context is the best way to try to "silence the dissenters".

[Lady Luminous]

I have indeed, when all they said was exactly the same thing I replied to in the first place. Some people go in for redundancy, I'm not one of them. I also didn't choose to snip one line of out context in a reply to another poster to accuse someone of "shitting" on someone else.
 

The post that I quoted listed a few "generic" reasons for Inquisitor not returning being bad, I listed the reason I've seen here, in one form or another, as being just as bad. If that's shitting on someone, then they are too emotionally involved with some pixels.
 

So it's all fun and games, until someone points out that there really isn't a good reason to bring the Inquisitor back. That's what this boils down to, or at least what started this little tangent. Ironically, the person I actually responded to with the post that has everyone "circling the wagons" hasn't approached me in any way, shape or form to ask me to stop shitting on them. Perhaps they actually read my post, caught the meaning and moved on? So far, the people with the biggest problem with the post in question, or the cherry picked version, haven't even presented anything but "You're being mean to us just because we want the Inquisitor back". This completely disregards, of course, my very first post in this thread, where I stated if they could make me believe it, I'd be fine with it. But hey, circle those wagons. It is, after all the BSN, and taking things out of context is the best way to try to "silence the dissenters".

Honestly, while you may have valid points I think they get lost in how brusque you can be when speaking to people. I think if your tone was a little gentler, your posts wouldn't be nearly as off-putting.

[robertthebard]

Honestly, while you may have valid points I think they get lost in how brusque you can be when speaking to people. I think if your tone was a little gentler, your posts wouldn't be nearly as off-putting.

Not around here. I used to temper my responses, and be all nice and stuff, and then I got a post deleted and a board warning for telling someone that I wasn't responsible for how they feel. Apparently, the moderator felt like I was. So, since I'm being held to that standard, I'm going to make sure they have something to point at and go "See?".

[Lady Luminous]

Not around here. I used to temper my responses, and be all nice and stuff, and then I got a post deleted and a board warning for telling someone that I wasn't responsible for how they feel. Apparently, the moderator felt like I was. So, since I'm being held to that standard, I'm going to make sure they have something to point at and go "See?".

...Generally the polite response when someone says their feelings have been hurt by you is to apologize, whether you think their feelings are valid or not.

[Nefla]

lol I had the inkling to go back and check to see if I was the one he quoted (the sad thing about having someone on your ignore list is that you can still see their posts when someone quotes them) since I've been throwing the word "generic" around like it's going out of style and sure enough he was quoting me. Learning to be civil is one factor for being taken seriously in an argument, another is actually reading the post you're arguing against and not assigning a motivation that was never given ("he broke my heart") just so you have something to tear down.

[Abyss108]

I have indeed, when all they said was exactly the same thing I replied to in the first place. Some people go in for redundancy, I'm not one of them. I also didn't choose to snip one line of out context in a reply to another poster to accuse someone of "shitting" on someone else.
 

The post that I quoted listed a few "generic" reasons for Inquisitor not returning being bad, I listed the reason I've seen here, in one form or another, as being just as bad. If that's shitting on someone, then they are too emotionally involved with some pixels.
 

So it's all fun and games, until someone points out that there really isn't a good reason to bring the Inquisitor back. That's what this boils down to, or at least what started this little tangent. Ironically, the person I actually responded to with the post that has everyone "circling the wagons" hasn't approached me in any way, shape or form to ask me to stop shitting on them. Perhaps they actually read my post, caught the meaning and moved on? So far, the people with the biggest problem with the post in question, or the cherry picked version, haven't even presented anything but "You're being mean to us just because we want the Inquisitor back". This completely disregards, of course, my very first post in this thread, where I stated if they could make me believe it, I'd be fine with it. But hey, circle those wagons. It is, after all the BSN, and taking things out of context is the best way to try to "silence the dissenters".

 

1 - shitting on was your own phrase I was quoting.

 

2 - people haven't been replying to genric arguments that haven't been made. People have posted actual reasons that have been posted in this very thread. No one used the argument you made up to discredit people.

 

3 - you quite literally just quoted the text where I said " there are tons of people arguing against the Inquisitor's return and none of those are being accused of shitting on people" and replied that I think anyone who disagrees with me is shitting on me. 

 

4 - I find it hard to believe we are the "emotional" ones, when we make arguments to support our points without resorting to hurling insults at people we disagree with.

 

5 - I'm done with this tangent. This is my final reply.

[nightscrawl]

Ironically, the person I actually responded to with the post that has everyone "circling the wagons" hasn't approached me in any way, shape or form to ask me to stop shitting on them. Perhaps they actually read my post, caught the meaning and moved on?

Well, here I am. I didn't respond because I thought it was pointless to continue further, and that's all.

[robertthebard]

Well, here I am. I didn't respond because I thought it was pointless to continue further, and that's all.

Actually, I quoted Nefla. You then decided to cherry pick what you wanted me to say out of it, and went on a tirade. Thanks for posting, though.

[NaclynE]

So, what do you think about it? We know that our Inquisitors can have their arms replaced with a prosthetic (Trespasser DLC Ending) and for the first time our hero is well placed to return as the next DA's protagonist.

Also, we know that even though ME was always about Shepard, the next ME will feature a new protagonist. So Bioware could make an exception in DA's case too.
 

Finally, how could the next DA look like if Inquis was the protagonist? Which characters could return as our companions? Where in Tevinter could be our main base? Do you like the idea of upgradable prosthetic?

 

I wouldn't be surprised. This seems like it could be triligized.

 

Flip side is...They originally were planning DA to be a trilogy so....DAI was game 3 so....

[nightscrawl]

^ No, they were not.
 
DA was never planned to be a trilogy, and if you have a source that says otherwise, you'd better post it.
 

As much as people might try to conflate the DA series with Mass Effect (understandably, I suppose, as it's two different projects from the same company), Dragon Age is not a trilogy. DAO and DA2 were self-contained stories that each contributed towards the greater arc of Thedas' history, and any future game(s) would likely be the same. If someone is expecting to play the same character over multiple titles, they're looking in the wrong place-- as we never suggested that would ever be the case. My hope is that we do the imported states more effectively, and use them in more significant ways (whether it be about these particular characters or not), with regards to the ongoing history of Thedas that the player is impacting by way of their choices.

[Former_Fiend]

Guys, here's how you fix the arm thing (if you think it needs to be fixed). Over time, the anchor's energy returns, and the Inquisitor gains an arm/appendage literally made of the stuff. Can you imagine the applications? The game can include Quizzy honing his powers over time, using them to enhance his natural abilities.

 

As you get stronger, the anchor arm turns from green to blue (or something else) to signify that the power is yours and no longer connected to Solas. In the last fight you go super saiyan, wrecking Solas and possibly the other elven gods with a Kamehameha like beam of magical energy, killing yourself in the process but becoming a legend in doing so.

 

Some how that is so much worse than the dwarven-made, lyrium powered automail idea I've seen others throw around. 

 

And I didn't think it could get worse than that.

[Former_Fiend]

 If you play as a Qunari, during Dorian's "getting to know you" conversation he says, "I've met some Tal-Vashoth in my time, however. Mercenaries, and a few merchants. They're not the same as Qunari. Might easily be a different people altogether," and then, "Prejudices are deeply rooted back home, but I have more sympathy than most." So, Qunari are around. It's not completely impossible that they could have a Qunari race option in DA4, despite the location.

BUT, we've already had a Vashoth Qunari character. If they were to include a Qunari again, I think it would be the most interesting to have a Tal-Vashoth who consciously left for specific reasons, which you find out over the course of the game. I don't count Bull as a Tal-Vashoth companion, given that it is a player choice that he does not make voluntarily.

 

See, I actually threw that fact around before being informed that in Trespasser(still haven't played as I still don't have a PS4) that if Dorian and Bull are in a relationship they have to go long distance because apparently the Imperium's cracked down and banned any racial qunari from it's borders. Which is intensely stupid because if you're getting ready to fight a war against the Qunari, tal-vashoth would be pretty good forces to have on your side, but that's hardly a type of stupidity that isn't displayed in reality so I can let that slide.

 

I do very much hope that qunari make the cut and they find a way around that bit of dialogue; the odds of me buying DA4 drastically decrease if qunari aren't playable again, though I wouldn't say that's an absolute deal breaker. Removing racial options all together, however, would be. Along with making the Inquisitor the PC again, those are the only two things they could do to make me absolutely refuse to play the game.

 

Regarding the vashoth/tal-vashoth thing, I think the problem with having us play as tal-vashoth is that that is imposing a choice upon  our character that is outside of our control. As a vashoth, you can be interested in, even fascinated by and certainly sympathetic towards the Qun. As a Tal-Vashoth, you don't really have that option. You either left or were kicked out. If they gave us the option of being vashoth or tal'vashoth, that would be nice, though.

 

I do think that, should we get a qunari companion again - which is more than likely - that they should be straight up tal'vashoth from the start, unlike Bull where you have the option of going either way. 

[Nefla]

 

See, I actually threw that fact around before being informed that in Trespasser(still haven't played as I still don't have a PS4) that if Dorian and Bull are in a relationship they have to go long distance because apparently the Imperium's cracked down and banned any racial qunari from it's borders. Which is intensely stupid because if you're getting ready to fight a war against the Qunari, tal-vashoth would be pretty good forces to have on your side, but that's hardly a type of stupidity that isn't displayed in reality so I can let that slide.

 

I do very much hope that qunari make the cut and they find a way around that bit of dialogue; the odds of me buying DA4 drastically decrease if qunari aren't playable again, though I wouldn't say that's an absolute deal breaker. Removing racial options all together, however, would be. Along with making the Inquisitor the PC again, those are the only two things they could do to make me absolutely refuse to play the game.

 

Regarding the vashoth/tal-vashoth thing, I think the problem with having us play as tal-vashoth is that that is imposing a choice upon  our character that is outside of our control. As a vashoth, you can be interested in, even fascinated by and certainly sympathetic towards the Qun. As a Tal-Vashoth, you don't really have that option. You either left or were kicked out. If they gave us the option of being vashoth or tal'vashoth, that would be nice, though.

 

I do think that, should we get a qunari companion again - which is more than likely - that they should be straight up tal'vashoth from the start, unlike Bull where you have the option of going either way. 

I definitely wouldn't play a future DA game if it were human-only again either.

[nightscrawl]

See, I actually threw that fact around before being informed that in Trespasser(still haven't played as I still don't have a PS4) that if Dorian and Bull are in a relationship they have to go long distance because apparently the Imperium's cracked down and banned any racial qunari from it's borders. Which is intensely stupid because if you're getting ready to fight a war against the Qunari, tal-vashoth would be pretty good forces to have on your side, but that's hardly a type of stupidity that isn't displayed in reality so I can let that slide.

Well, while I see what you're saying, there is another factor for that as well. I don't think the devs could have had the scenario where Dorian and Bull are in this standard relationship where they can see each other frequently, especially when Dorian is forced to part from the Inquisitor. At least this way the two relationships (Dorian/Bull, and Dorian/Inquisitor) are at last somewhat analogous in terms of separation. This also disregards the fact that one of the optional races for the Inquisitor is Qunari, and he is able to "sneak into the heart of" the Imperium occasionally for visits.

 

I would have thought that it would have more to do with The Iron Bull specifically. Because of his appearance he is an easily recognizable figure. He can't just blend in (with other Tal-Vashoth) like some standard Qunari.