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[Sarac]

Help me out figure the correct choices...

 

What happened to Loghain? - I had Alistair duel Loghain. So i assume that correct choice would be Loghain was killed by Alistair in a duel, rather than Loghain was executed by Alistair?

 

Did Morrigan have a baby? - If my warden was a human which should i choose, just that Morrigan had an old god baby or the specific one saying Morrigan had a human baby with the Warden?

 

Did Warden have relations with Mardy before being cast out of Orzammar? and Did the Warden restore Mardy's son's birthright? - Is this something male Dwarf Warden specific? I have no idea about this.

 

What was the fate of Bella the tavern waitress? - I never entered the tavern until after some of the events, therefore missed this whole quest, which would be the correct choice then?

[Serza]

For the Morrigan question, there is a separate tile for human baby and the OGB.

 

OGB happens if a male Warden of any race (or Alistair/Loghain) undergoes the Ritual.

Human baby happens if male Warden romancing Morrigan refuses to undergo the Ritual in any way.

 

Mardy and her son is something that only happens to the Male Dwarf. If you are not a Dwarf Male, ignore (or just pick that the Warden didn't have an yrelation to Mardy)

 

As for Bella... I don't think I went in the tavern on my first playthrough. I just picked the most likely option. She's kind of an unknown character to me.

[Tidus]

Ah yes. Bella.. She became the owner of the tavern  after the owner (Lloyd) is killed during the first battle of Redcliff-you will need to force Lloyd into defending the village by threatening him.  I call it his just reward for the way he treated Bella.

 

She renames the tavern "The Gray Warden Inn" in honor of the Grey that offered to help her. Its a lovely little side quest. My male warden even receives a "hero's kiss" from Bella when he returns to the tavern after the battle. I like Morrigan's  jealous reply.. Helping the two orphans at the Chantry is nice too.  

 

I realize everybody has their style of game play but, I'm one not to rush through a game regardless of how many times I have played it. I'm probably among the few that returns to camp after every quest just to talk and sell my surplus goods I picked up doing the quest-not to mention my "Thou shall not pass by a chest without opening it nor shall thou leave items on the ground after a battle". Its a Final Fantasy thing.

[straykat]

If Alistair duels Loghain, it means it's impossible for him to marry Anora. So that choice will be blocked out. It's a decent choice if your Warden is hooked up with him. If not, he's just a lonely king. lol

 

Human baby is just that.. just something from the regular romance. Doesn't matter if your Warden is an elf or whatnot.. it'll be a human regardless.

[Tidus]

Straykat,Correct..When a elf and human has a child the child looses all of its elven features.. Still I wonder if the child would have some Elven blood.

[springacres]

Straykat,Correct..When a elf and human has a child the child looses all of its elven features.. Still I wonder if the child would have some Elven blood.

Not all of its elven features, but certainly the most distinctive ones - think DA2 Feynriel for instance.  He doesn't have the distinctive elven ears (or nose, or eyes, as portrayed in the DA2 elf retcon) but his features seem finer and more delicate than those of an average human.  The differences are subtle, but visible - especially compared to his father Vincento.  I think that's probably canon - that to most people who don't know their parentage, an elf-blooded person would look like a slighter, smaller, overall more delicate human.

 

Also, Tidus, Bella becomes the tavern owner if Lloyd fights alongside the militia, whether or not he survives the battle.  (And it is possible to get him to survive the battle.  It does require a lot of pausing and two mages with access to healing spells, but it can be done.)

[Tidus]

I know Lloyd puts her in charge but, I didn't think it was full ownership or at least that's my understanding.. Lloyd dies in the majority of my games for the way he treated Bella. I would friendly fire him if I could without endangering anybody else..

 

There's been 4 or 5 games where nobody died though and that makes it rough but, I do pay her way out of there..

[straykat]

Lloyd dies all the time for me too. I didn't know she still owns the tavern if he doesn't.

 

My only prob now is that Bella's "Grey Warden's Rest" doesn't appear in Redcliffe in DAI. That's a shame. So I might recommend just sending her to Denerim, if you have the gold. At least it's consistent.

[springacres]

Lloyd dies all the time for me too. I didn't know she still owns the tavern if he doesn't.

 

My only prob now is that Bella's "Grey Warden's Rest" doesn't appear in Redcliffe in DAI. That's a shame. So I might recommend just sending her to Denerim, if you have the gold. At least it's consistent.

I don't think I've completed a game where she accepts the gold and moves to Denerim, but that might just be because I always make Lloyd join the militia.

[straykat]

I don't think I've completed a game where she accepts the gold and moves to Denerim, but that might just be because I always make Lloyd join the militia.

 

I've done it before.. it's like 5g or something. Not much for me.. but it is for a new player. If you have all the DLC, money isn't an issue as you know.

 

But it seems to be the choice that doesn't conflict with DAI...if that matters.

[Tidus]

Straykat, I open every chest and pick up all the dropped items-that's how I get my coin besides doing side quest. In my current game I have close to 330 coins. Ah,its a old Final Fantasy 1 thing I started eons ago..

 

I never had a issue of giving coin to Bella if Lloyd lives and if she becomes owner then she doesn't need the coin to go to Denerim. 

 

Either way my warden gets his "hero's kiss" from Bella.  

[springacres]

Straykat, I open every chest and pick up all the dropped items-that's how I get my coin besides doing side quest. In my current game I have close to 330 coins. Ah,its a old Final Fantasy 1 thing I started eons ago..

 

I never had a issue of giving coin to Bella if Lloyd lives and if she becomes owner then she doesn't need the coin to go to Denerim. 

 

Either way my warden gets his "hero's kiss" from Bella.

Never played FF, but I've played enough games to instill that in me anyway.  Hey, you never know when a bit of garbage might come in handy XD

[straykat]

Cool.. yeah, I'm not saying it can't be done. I just didn't want to tell someone to give out their gold I mean, there are several parameters here. Often, people do Redcliffe pretty early.. if not first. I know I do. They might be poor at that point. But I already have hundeds of gold by then, just because of Reaper's Cudgel.

[Sarac]

Thank you for all your replies!

 

For the Morrigan question, there is a separate tile for human baby and the OGB.

 

OGB happens if a male Warden of any race (or Alistair/Loghain) undergoes the Ritual.

Human baby happens if male Warden romancing Morrigan refuses to undergo the Ritual in any way.

 

Mardy and her son is something that only happens to the Male Dwarf. If you are not a Dwarf Male, ignore (or just pick that the Warden didn't have an yrelation to Mardy)

 

As for Bella... I don't think I went in the tavern on my first playthrough. I just picked the most likely option. She's kind of an unknown character to me.

 

Alright all things are settled, except that Bella quest... As i said i think I've completely missed this quest line, as i haven't entered the tavern until after many events in the game and by that time there weren't any dialogue options left for neither Bella or Loyd. It's weird, i think i have a save left where i could check again, just to be sure. Also idk if codex in game could provide info on this?

[Tidus]

I don't know if Bella is a quest or a feel good helping hand like the two orphans in the Chantry. One doesn't need to do this but,it does give a ray of sunlight in a dark and dreary  land of blight and civil war. My male warden is yet to receive a reward kiss for finding her brother from this young lass..

 

I do Redcliff early but,always have lots of coin from selling the goods from the Tower and Lothering quest rewards and found items. I use what I can and sell what I don't need.

 

My warden is stone cold toward his/her enemies and yet my warden won't kill without just cause and will help those in need.

[sylvanaerie]

Bella's fate was bugged on my game.  Once I dragged Lloyd's cowardly ass into the militia, she takes over, and I get the end slide about the Grey Warden's Rest.  Even though he ends up back in the inn, she's in charge (I know this isn't what's supposed to happen).  I prefer no one dies, then I get the thank you speech from Teagan where he gifts the warden with a helm for her efforts that day.

 

As for DAI, I have no freaking clue why tapestry even brings up Bella if they weren't going to include that as an option--even a mention.  It seems like superfluous 'filler' information.  Nor does whether the Warden saved or abandoned Redcliffe since both are exactly the same town in Inquisition, which should have had some impact on the people there, even if you got a few lines about the trouble they had rebuilding or something.  But either the ball was dropped, or it also was just superfluous 'filler'.  Bioware could have spared my carpel tunnel a few clicks by not including that crap if it was pointless to choose.

 

TBH I didn't see the tapestry provide a lot of pertinent info except as regards to Morrigan's son, which creates 2 different scenes if he exists or not as Urthemiel's new form, who ruled Ferelden and some of the relationships the warden and Hawke formed with companions.  Hawke could have chosen templars or mages but he still rattles on and on about blood mages and blood magic, even if he was a blood mage.  The fate of the warden friend is the same regardless of which warden it is.  And most of the 'choices' are nothing but 'window dressing' since they only provide flavor to the narrative anyway.

[Tidus]

After  the second battle of Redciff it would have been nice to see Bella again and maybe chat with her-ok,its a filler but, it would be fun to see how she is doing.

 

There is a lot of dropped balls and misses in the DA series. I would love to had the option of being a Grey in DA:2 and DA:I.  Nothing against Hawke other then he or she is no more then a glorified opportunist  turned hero.

[Aren]

For the Morrigan question, there is a separate tile for human baby and the OGB.

OGB happens if a male Warden of any race (or Alistair/Loghain) undergoes the Ritual.
Human baby happens if male Warden romancing Morrigan refuses to undergo the Ritual in any way.

Romancing but also had sex at least once with her.
Since even if it is extremely rare as a choice onr could simply decide to romance Morrigan without resulting in Kieran precence in DAI

[Serza]

Not all of its elven features, but certainly the most distinctive ones - think DA2 Feynriel for instance.  He doesn't have the distinctive elven ears (or nose, or eyes, as portrayed in the DA2 elf retcon) but his features seem finer and more delicate than those of an average human.  The differences are subtle, but visible - especially compared to his father Vincento.  I think that's probably canon - that to most people who don't know their parentage, an elf-blooded person would look like a slighter, smaller, overall more delicate human.

 

Also, Tidus, Bella becomes the tavern owner if Lloyd fights alongside the militia, whether or not he survives the battle.  (And it is possible to get him to survive the battle.  It does require a lot of pausing and two mages with access to healing spells, but it can be done.)

 

DA2 Elf Retcon is just Varric being a little racist.

 

#Headcanons

 

Thank you for all your replies!

 

 

Alright all things are settled, except that Bella quest... As i said i think I've completely missed this quest line, as i haven't entered the tavern until after many events in the game and by that time there weren't any dialogue options left for neither Bella or Loyd. It's weird, i think i have a save left where i could check again, just to be sure. Also idk if codex in game could provide info on this?

 

I don't think Bella has a Codex entry. I checked back when the Keep was fresh.

 

Romancing but also had sex at least once with her.
Since even if it is extremely rare as a choice onr could simply decide to romance Morrigan without resulting in Kieran precence in DAI

 

I admit to assuming that if one romances a character, they will not refuse their offer of sharing a bedroll.

 

I mean, I see how some might do that, but it seems so uncommon, I discarded the possibility for the purpose of this thread.

[OldSwede]

Not all of its elven features, but certainly the most distinctive ones - think DA2 Feynriel for instance.  He doesn't have the distinctive elven ears (or nose, or eyes, as portrayed in the DA2 elf retcon) but his features seem finer and more delicate than those of an average human.  The differences are subtle, but visible - especially compared to his father Vincento.  I think that's probably canon - that to most people who don't know their parentage, an elf-blooded person would look like a slighter, smaller, overall more delicate human.

 

Also, Tidus, Bella becomes the tavern owner if Lloyd fights alongside the militia, whether or not he survives the battle.  (And it is possible to get him to survive the battle.  It does require a lot of pausing and two mages with access to healing spells, but it can be done.)

 

Actually, I have always, every single 3295,77 times I've played the game (nah, not the first time, no way ) ---I'm trying all over not to, but I always end up saving Lloyd - and he is then in charge again...until, just the other day/month. He survived but then Bella owned the tavern, which he sourly reminded me of that I "put her in charge" as he said.

I got really confused. This had never happened before. I always give her money, and so she moves on to Denirim. And I did just that, this time too. It was so weird...bug? (that I've never seen before maybe...?)

As you can tell, I'm still playing it. I just love DAO too much lol

Anyway, then in the next playthrough, I realised that maybe it was because I had left, continuing with Isolde etc, before I gave her the money, and then returned to Redcliff. Soo, I made yet another character, doing just that - and yep, he insisted I had put her in charge, while the other character gave her money before continuing the quest, and then Lloyd was the owner ..so I figured it must have something to do with that...maybe...? Or a bug...or both...? lol

Inquisition Spoiler below:

Spoiler

I had hoped, and really believed, that Bella would be the owner of the Tavern in DAI Redcliff (as I tested that answer in the Tapestry at first) but got so sad when she wasn't ....and I'm a woman, never tried to flirt with her haha - oh yes, oops I'm lying (like Pippi Longstocking now) I have, when I've played as a male character, but I really would have loved that. It wouldn't have to be much, just knowing that she was still kicking around, so to speak.

 

edit: Sorry, dont' mean to "steal" the thread, but speaking of the Tapestry, I have a question too. Well, it's mostly an "opinion-question" (but it's always the same nagging one, every single time, ingame for me as well. I can't make up my mind):

 

Do you guys/girls choose to pay for the sword, or do you feel that Bevin should become a great adventurer, having that proud feeling about how this is a very special sword?

[sjsharp2011]

Cool.. yeah, I'm not saying it can't be done. I just didn't want to tell someone to give out their gold I mean, there are several parameters here. Often, people do Redcliffe pretty early.. if not first. I know I do. They might be poor at that point. But I already have hundeds of gold by then, just because of Reaper's Cudgel.

Yeah I tend to do Redcliffe relatively early as well as I tend to do both Redcliffe and the mage tower together almost as one quest. The one I tend to hold back on is Orzammar as that's the big annoying quest for me.

[sjsharp2011]

Actually, I have always, every single 3295,77 times I've played the game (nah, not the first time, no way ) ---I'm trying all over not to, but I always end up saving Lloyd - and he is then in charge again...until, just the other day/month. He survived but then Bella owned the tavern, which he sourly reminded me of that I "put her in charge" as he said.

I got really confused. This had never happened before. I always give her money, and so she moves on to Denirim. And I did just that, this time too. It was so weird...bug? (that I've never seen before maybe...?)

As you can tell, I'm still playing it. I just love DAO too much lol

Anyway, then in the next playthrough, I realised that maybe it was because I had left, continuing with Isolde etc, before I gave her the money, and then returned to Redcliff. Soo, I made yet another character, doing just that - and yep, he insisted I had put her in charge, while the other character gave her money before continuing the quest, and then Lloyd was the owner ..so I figured it must have something to do with that...maybe...? Or a bug...or both...? lol

Inquisition Spoiler below:

Spoiler

I had hoped, and really believed, that Bella would be the owner of the Tavern in DAI Redcliff (as I tested that answer in the Tapestry at first) but got so sad when she wasn't ....and I'm a woman, never tried to flirt with her haha - oh yes, oops I'm lying (like Pippi Longstocking now) I have, when I've played as a male character, but I really would have loved that. It wouldn't have to be much, just knowing that she was still kicking around, so to speak.

 

edit: Sorry, dont' mean to "steal" the thread, but speaking of the Tapestry, I have a question too. Well, it's mostly an "opinion-question" (but it's always the same nagging one, every single time, ingame for me as well. I can't make up my mind):

 

Do you guys/girls choose to pay for the sword, or do you feel that Bevin should become a great adventurer, having that proud feeling about how this is a very special sword?

yeah I'm still playing it but then I enjoy playing all 3 games

[springacres]

Whenever I can convince Bevin to give me the sword, I choose to pay for it.  It's easily worth more than a hundred silvers, but that's more than they'd get for it in Denerim anyway... and besides, I headcanon that (at least some of) my Wardens who survive the Blight would have tracked Bevin down in later years and returned the sword free of charge once he was strong enough to actually wield it.  It's his family heirloom, after all.

[OldSwede]

Whenever I can convince Bevin to give me the sword, I choose to pay for it.  It's easily worth more than a hundred silvers, but that's more than they'd get for it in Denerim anyway... and besides, I headcanon that (at least some of) my Wardens who survive the Blight would have tracked Bevin down in later years and returned the sword free of charge once he was strong enough to actually wield it.  It's his family heirloom, after all.

 

That is a great way to think about  it! Thank you! I have felt so ...ashamed (I don't know how to express it) for me feeling like I'm making up excuses, when I continue the story in my head - but then again, it is roleplaying, after all, and who said it needed to stop just because the game ended, so I think you are doing it great!

 

PS: Sorry for 'hijacking' the thread like this.

[springacres]

That is a great way to think about  it! Thank you! I have felt so ...ashamed (I don't know how to express it) for me feeling like I'm making up excuses, when I continue the story in my head - but then again, it is roleplaying, after all, and who said it needed to stop just because the game ended, so I think you are doing it great!

 

PS: Sorry for 'hijacking' the thread like this.

You're welcome.  It helps that my canon Warden is a longstanding OC of mine who's always had a soft spot for orphans.  He's also always been a Druid or the closest thing to it in every canon I've played him in, so he has no use for a sword - and refused to take the Arcane Warrior spec because he felt called to be a healer instead.

 

Someday I'll get around to writing fanfic about him.  (says the procrastinator as she's putting off a 3-page paper on property settlements in English divorce cases)