People shouldn't have to feel anything just because you feel it.
*Sighs wearily*
I see him as a lying, traitorous, backstabbing hypocrite who gives himself moral license to use and discard as many people as he feels like, and perform as many crimes as he wants to ensure his own power, just because he was a victim at one point, even though he victimizes others by committing his crimes. In fact, sometimes he victimizes people in the same way he was victimized, like selling elves into slavery despite how often he likes to claim he was "enslaved" by Orlais, then telling the elves they're "egotistical" for not getting over it even though he actively killed or allowed the deaths of thousands because of his own unresolved issues with Orlais. (Apparently "slavery" is only an unforgivable travesty when it happens to him and his, but it's just fine when it's done by him and/or to elves.)
Underlined: So you consider him as an ambitious man making a grab for the throne? Because I honestly don't.
Bold: You do realise that Orlais was actually a genuine threat, right? They had in the past occupied another country under the guise of helping against a Blight. And we see in Return to Ostagar that the Empress is trying to gain control of Ferelden a different way. And they had a substantial force positioned where they could easily invade a Ferelden that looked to be weakened by the Blight.
Not to mention he's responsible for the civil war "that started" (read: that he helped start and knew he could have avoided or ended but chose not to). So I don't give him a free pass for committing countless crimes and desertions on account of the civil war since he helped create and perpetuate the civil war in the first place.
The only way Loghain could have avoided the Civil War would have been to have not become regent and let the Banns waste time squabbling over who would lead Ferelden. The only way he could have ended would have been to step down, which would have had the effect of depriving Ferelden of it's greatest general, which is hardly going to help matters. And of course, brings us back to the squabble for leadership which could easily have resulted in civil war anyway.
And he wouldn't have tried to take the Circle in the first place if he didn't believe he would have Loghain's support afterwards. He tried to persuade the Circle to join him by basically saying, "Loghain will protect us from fallout against the Templars," but when Wynne revealed Loghain's desertion and regicide at Ostagar (something Uldred failed to mention, because he knew no one would support him if they knew), they withdrew their support. Because he was so worked up over the promise of freedom (one Loghain fed to him) slipping from his grasp, his passion drew the attention of a pride demon, and in his passion he accepted.
Even after things went crazy, the blood mages continued to believe their rebellion would succeed because Loghain come and help them, something an injured blood mages admits if you don't kill her right away.
Do you have anything to support the italic, that shows that Loghain's deal with the Uldred was along those lines? According to the DAWiki, Loghain promised more freedom from the Chantry in return fro support. So unless you have anything to prove otherwise, Uldred's attempt to take the Circle by force s solely his, utterly unsupported by Loghain, and is actually breaching the agreement by actively attacking the Chantry and turning to blood magic, either of which makes it far more difficult for Loghain to fulfill his end of the bargain.
Additionally: http://dragonage.wik...omises_of_Pride
Going by these, Uldred planned to take the Circle by force, but didn't mention Loghain to anyone. Considering the number of blood mages that he had, and Irving's concern about blood magic(for instance, the removal of the books we see in the mage origin) it's clear that Uldred had been building up to a confrontation for quite some time, but Loghain's offer provided a means to free the Circle without weakening it by infighting. Once Irving slaps him down, Uldred returns to his backup plan.
The only betrayal here is Uldred's on numerous levels.
That still doesn't change the fact that Loghain lied to, used, and betrayed her. It's true that she was trying to break the law by keeping her son out of the Circle, but she told Loghain. He could have just turned her in and sent her son to the Circle, but instead he promised her a tutor to help her son and instead sent an assassin to murder her husband. Her attempted crime doesn't erase his.
Her crimes weren't attempted, they were actual. Refusing to hand her son over to the Circle was a crime(and not telling her husband despite the penalty he'd face should the truth come out was a betrayal of him). She goes to Loghain, and is stupid enough to take in an apostate, another crime. Isolde is stacking betrayal on top of betrayal herself, so she's not exactly innocent in this situation. Had she not betrayed her husband and simply sent Connor to the Circle, none of this could have happened.
And Loghin didn't intend to kill Arl Eamon, just keep him out of the way. I believe there's Word of Gaider to that effect somewhere around here.
That's his own damn fault. Just because Loghain chose to bite off more than he could chew and stretch his forces too thin doesn't mean it's okay for him to renege his a promise to help someone after they did what he wanted them to do.
Especially since Jowan was far from the only person he promised support to and then just left when it became too inconvenient to follow through on his promise. Especially since Loghain himself helped cause the mess in the first place (since Loghain chose to send Jowan as a tutor instead of sending Conor to the Circle, which helped create the situation that led to the "account of the demon"), then just left the people he promised help to drown in the mess he helped create.
Wait, do you honestly expect him to turn his back on the civil war, the Orlesian threat, and the Blight, to save one man? That's an utterly absurd expectation.
Additionally, by the time we arrive in Redcliffe, we know that the Arl is sick, but not posoned, we don't learn that until later. NEws of it hasn't spread because word can't get out. So there's no actual way that Loghain could have known the Jowan had been found out, since word couldn't leave Redcliffe by that time courtesy of the demon, as we learn from Berwick.
At this point you're actually blaming Loghain for failing to save Jowan when there was no way he could possibly know that Jowan was in danger.
So? He put Howe in charge in the first place then gave him free reign to do whatever he wanted, even when his crimes as "the butcher of Denerim" became public knowledge.
Loghain needed allies. Howe could be dealt with once Ferleden was secure, until then, everything Howe did would just make it easier to be rid of him afterwards.
Once again, that still points to an overall pattern with Loghain, where he promises people one thing but delivers another. Particularly, promising help but abandoning them to a terrible fate instead.
Only if you read that pattern into everything, and ignore in-game information to do so.
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