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[paramitch]

Congokong, no, to clarify, I meant that the Viddasala points out in "Trespasser" that the Qunari actually began active plans for invasion the moment the breach appeared.

 

The Qunari's offer of alliance was every bit as untrustworthy as it appeared. They were already putting "Dragon's Breath" into action (and had already done so) and were actively planning to take out the Inquisition and the rest of the South. The Viddasala says this point-blank.

 

So -- after Trespasser -- I just don't understand repeatedly saving the Dreadnought when the entire situation was basically a ruse to make us complacent while they put into place plans for a far more harmful world conquest and eradication. The distrust (from Bull and Quizzie et al) was earned. They were lying through their teeth from the beginning.

 

Looking forward to your 2 cents.

[GoldenGail3]

Save the Chargers.

[SweetTeaholic]

To bud into Crongkong's and  Paramitch's conversation: In Origins, some banner with Sten and Alistair when Al becomes King asks if it's possible to end up in negotiations with the Qunari which Sten bluntly says 'no, we don't negotiate'. Convo taken from DAwiki:

 

Alistair: So I suppose once I'm actually king I could end up in negotiations with the Qunari one day.

Sten: My people do not negotiate.

Alistair: What do you mean? They negotiated a peace treaty after the war, and as far as I know they've kept to its terms.

Sten: They signed a piece of paper. But only because they knew that you believed in it.

Alistair: And what is the difference between that and negotiating?

Sten: They stopped fighting for their own reasons. And they will resume it again, one day. The agreement means nothing to them.

Alistair: But I thought you said your people believed in honor.

Sten: They do. The honor of the Qunari is what will bring our warships back to your shores.

 

 

And Alliance involves negotiation on both sides to find common ground and to the Qunari, there isn't any because to them; you are all Bas (things) that need to be taught and and when Allister asked about honor; honoring to them means 'teaching' all of Thedas to live by the Qun.

 

The whole Dreadnought thing was one sided being they didn't even try to find common ground or think of a plan with the Inquisition regarding that mission to begin with that worked with them or could have been even better. They thought they were right and only they were right and shot down any ideas the Inquisitor even suggested. Even Gatt straight out says that the Qunari don't bargain. That in itself should raise a Red Flag that this Alliance wasn't going to work out.

 

And they lost people for it if the Inquisitor tells Bull to call the retreat, and being this was mostly a Ben Hassrath mission; they respectfully screwed up big time for having their ship THAT CLOSE to shore to begin with so they couldn't at least get out of range. Yeah, Dreadnoughts are slow; but if positioned right they could have possibly had a higher chance to get out of there suppose to being right beside the beach and letting their ship get blowed up.

 

I rather have a small merc team that I know is loyal suppose to an huge alliance which is shaky at best and even called out that the DotQ mission was going to bite the player in the ass far before Trespasser was even announced.

 

(That and I personally can't do that to Bull. I love him too much to let him go though that pain again after the crap he dealt with in Serhon).

[congokong]

Congokong, no, to clarify, I meant that the Viddasala points out in "Trespasser" that the Qunari actually began active plans for invasion the moment the breach appeared.

 

The Qunari's offer of alliance was every bit as untrustworthy as it appeared. They were already putting "Dragon's Breath" into action (and had already done so) and were actively planning to take out the Inquisition and the rest of the South. The Viddasala says this point-blank.

 

So -- after Trespasser -- I just don't understand repeatedly saving the Dreadnought when the entire situation was basically a ruse to make us complacent while they put into place plans for a far more harmful world conquest and eradication. The distrust (from Bull and Quizzie et al) was earned. They were lying through their teeth from the beginning.

 

Looking forward to your 2 cents.

I feel like I'm repeating myself at this point. As I said, the qunari did help stop Corypheus; not a ruse. The alliance would be entirely untrustworthy if they instead brought their dreadnoughts in just to attack the Inquisition or something. That they a had a long term plan of attacking the south eventually was irrelevant, and predictable.

 

Ex: In WW2, the Axis powers had an alliance, but I have no doubt the Nazis intended to eventually conquer Italy and Japan in the long run if they proved successful enough in their expansionism. And I bet their allies knew this too. It was an alliance of convenience.

 

The same applies with the qunari. And as already stated, the qunari planned to invade the south whether or not you align. I see the alliance as a means of pointing some of their resources at Corypheus instead of solely on the southern nations, and saving many lives in the process.

[paramitch]

Thanks for the clarification, Congokong. We're definitely on opposite sides here, but thanks for a fun debate.

[congokong]

Thanks for the clarification, Congokong. We're definitely on opposite sides here, but thanks for a fun debate.

 

Just remember, this is a full meta-gaming argument. That means I know the qunari will help stop Corypheus if you save the dreadnought, I know that will weaken their strength while saving lives, I know that the qunari invade the south either way in Trespasser, and I know they're stopped.

[Bardox9]

Save the chargers.

 

This isn't really a difficult decision for me. The Qunari would be a powerful ally, true, but they would benefit much more from the Inquisitions aid than the other way around. Never mind that my cannon Inquisitor is a mage and finds the Qun utter ridiculous and often cruel. I(MO, Bull left the Qun long ago, he just hasn't faced that yet.His work as a spy is barely secondary to him. His chargers are his family. They give him purpose.

 

And as we see in Trespasser, the "alliance" of the Qunari doesn't mean a damn anyway. Let the Dreadnought burn.

[Rekkampum]

It's too hard to answer simply. As many have noted, The Iron Bull wants to do both. He's been living a pretty lax life as a merc and his position as Ben-Hassrath has given him privilege to bend the rules somewhat. Even as a Tal-Vashoth, he still has much respect for the Qun and its teachings, even if he's an exile now, and given his history of fighting in Seheron against their enemies - including Tal-Vashoth who usually come from the Antaam - it's easy to see why a system that gives him security in an otherwise chaotic life filled with death and bloodshed is appealing to him.