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Is Andromeda a "spinoff" on Battlestar Galactica?


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Granted, there is little confirmed information about the game. However, we know it's:

1. massive

2. A cluster of 100+ planets

3. We have the Mako

4. Emphasis is on exploration.

5. Confirmed races are human and Krogan.

 

Speculative

1. Our Pathfinder is based on the Human Ark ship

2. Missions are launched from it.

3. Other Ark ships from Asari, Salarians...\

 

More Speculation

How many of the 100+ planetary systems are already occupied by the local races? Is that how we encounter our new neighbours.. by our exploring these systems for our new Home? Will there be an aggressive exploration by the other MW races to find their new home. Are we in competition with them and the locals? Must we fight from our ARK ship as in BG?  Are resource missions imperative for survival?

 

There seems to be much of Battlestar Galactica in Andromeda. What do you think guys?

 



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I think they already did the Battlestar thing with the Quarians and Geth, and that the overlying story of "exploration and colonization to escape tyranny" is such a prevalent theme that you might as well ask if Andromeda is based on the story of the Pilgrims.

That's assuming that they go there to escape the Reapers, which I think is a fine assumption considering it is absolutely idiotic for them to go there for almost any other reason.

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I think they already did the Battlestar thing with the Quarians and Geth, and that the overlying story of "exploration and colonization to escape tyranny" is such a prevalent theme that you might as well ask if Andromeda is based on the story of the Pilgrims.

 

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Yeah.. that notion came to me too.  But then, you will always get recurring themes when exploring/settling new uncharted worlds.
 



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I'd say it's more of a spinoff of the original Mass Effect, like Bioware wanted to take ME1, give it a new story and put in a newer combat system.



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There seems to be much of Battlestar Galactica in Andromeda. What do you think guys?

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I don't see much. Apart from the "refugee" stuff, there is nothing similar.


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I see it more like a spinoff of Stargate Atlantis, establishing a base in another galaxy and building human colonies throughout the galaxy and looking for alien technology.



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They have similarities, yes, but it doesn't really bother me at all. Besides, I love Galactica, the original 1978 one, I mean. Can't stand the new version. 


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They have similarities, yes, but it doesn't really bother me at all. Besides, I love Galactica, the original 1978 one, I mean. Can't stand the new version. 

 

 

The new version was good up until it became Touched by an Angel in space. 

 

The fighter and dreadnought combat sequences are still awesome though.



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OP, you don't have to just make new threads for the sake of making new threads.

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The new version was good up until it became Touched by an Angel in space. 

 

The fighter and dreadnought combat sequences are still awesome though.

 

Well, I tried to watch it from the beginning when it started but every episode just made me grimace more and more, until I gave up. It's just not for me.



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No.



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A couple of similarities(and pretty general ones at that) doesn't automatically make it a spin off.

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The Ark (whatever its final name will be) is not the Galactica, and we will not be fleeing from Cylons who will chase us. I further posit that there will be no Cylon civil war resulting in the some Cylons siding with humans while other Cylons remain intent on destroying humanity while led by Brother Cavil. And I'm equally sure that we won't be going on a search for Earth in ME:A (one that develops increasingly mystical overtones) while led by Angel Starbuck who ultimately goes poof in the middle of a field after the crew of Galactica lands on primitive Earth. We also probably won't be making any boneheaded decisions to throw away all our technology to live low-tech agrarian lives in the hopes of avoiding repeating past mistakes.

 

So no, I don't think ME:A is a spinoff of BSG at all. Short of Tricia Helfer voicing EDI in ME3, I don't see any direct connections between BSG and the ME-verse at all. The idea of fleeing some horrible disaster with only a few surviving humans on an ark dates back to the whole story of Noah's Ark, which in turn takes its ark idea from Gilgamesh, an epic that also happened to involve a great deluge. The whole catastrophic flood thing is a motif that you see repeated in myths from multiple cultures, so it's not unique to BSG.

 

As for the geth/quarian thing in the ME trilogy, I'll just point out that the idea of robots/synthetic life as slaves dates all the way back to R.U.R. by Karel Capek, who first used the term "robot." A lot of works of fiction can be said to be derivative of past works in their respective genres, and in BSG's case, the original series was pretty clearly meant to capitalize on the Star Wars craze at the time (and there was actual legal wrangling over that in the past).

 

However, I don't see that much in the way of direct 1:1 similarities between BSG and ME:A to the point that I would call it a clone of BSG. What I will say is that most ark-type stories probably owe a lot to Gilgamesh and other epics/myths of their ilk.

 

Also, "spinoff" was the wrong term to use as far as I'm concerned. I would probably have been slightly less annoyed by the thread title if you had said ME:A riffed off of BSG instead incorrectly using the word "spinoff," OP. See, a spinoff is essentially a child series based directly on (and with ties to) its existing parent series. In other words, shows like NCIS: New Orleans and NCIS: Los Angeles are actual spinoffs of the original NCIS series and share the same universe and characters who occasionally do crossovers.

 

I hate seeing terms used that I consider incorrect and/or imprecise - hmph.

 

EDIT: Just to elaborate a little more on this, Agent Pride (played by Scott Bakula) who leads the team on NCIS: NO first popped up in an episode of NCIS. His character was later spun off into the NCIS: NO series, which I watch partially because I like the main series but mostly because I loved Quantum Leap (which also starred Scott Bakula). Since a Quantum Leap reboot seems to have zero chance of happening at this point, NCIS: NO is as close as I'm getting to seeing Sam Beckett anytime soon. I was definitely amused by that one episode with Dean Stockwell as a guest star, since that was as close to a Sam/Al Quantum Leap reunion as I'm going to get.


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All of this has happened before, and all of this will happen again.



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Also, "spinoff" was the wrong term to use as far as I'm concerned.

 

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I agree with you but at the time I couldn't think of the right word. "Elements" of BG was probably what I was lookig at.



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The Ark (whatever its final name will be) is not the Galactica, and we will not be fleeing from Cylons who will chase us. I further posit that there will be no Cylon civil war resulting in the some Cylons siding with humans while other Cylons remain intent on destroying humanity while led by Brother Cavil. And I'm equally sure that we won't be going on a search for Earth in ME:A (one that develops increasingly mystical overtones) while led by Angel Starbuck who ultimately goes poof in the middle of a field after the crew of Galactica lands on primitive Earth. We also probably won't be making any boneheaded decisions to throw away all our technology to live low-tech agrarian lives in the hopes of avoiding repeating past mistakes.

 

So no, I don't think ME:A is a spinoff of BSG at all. Short of Tricia Helfer voicing EDI in ME3, I don't see any direct connections between BSG and the ME-verse at all. The idea of fleeing some horrible disaster with only a few surviving humans on an ark dates back to the whole story of Noah's Ark, which in turn takes its ark idea from Gilgamesh, an epic that also happened to involve a great deluge. The whole catastrophic flood thing is a motif that you see repeated in myths from multiple cultures, so it's not unique to BSG.

 

As for the geth/quarian thing in the ME trilogy, I'll just point out that the idea of robots/synthetic life as slaves dates all the way back to R.U.R. by Karel Capek, who first used the term "robot." A lot of works of fiction can be said to be derivative of past works in their respective genres, and in BSG's case, the original series was pretty clearly meant to capitalize on the Star Wars craze at the time (and there was actual legal wrangling over that in the past).

 

However, I don't see that much in the way of direct 1:1 similarities between BSG and ME:A to the point that I would call it a clone of BSG. What I will say is that most ark-type stories probably owe a lot to Gilgamesh and other epics/myths of their ilk.

 

Also, "spinoff" was the wrong term to use as far as I'm concerned. I would probably have been slightly less annoyed by the thread title if you had said ME:A riffed off of BSG instead incorrectly using the word "spinoff," OP. See, a spinoff is essentially a child series based directly on (and with ties to) its existing parent series. In other words, shows like NCIS: New Orleans and NCIS: Los Angeles are actual spinoffs of the original NCIS series and share the same universe and characters who occasionally do crossovers.

 

I hate seeing terms used that I consider incorrect and/or imprecise - hmph.

 

EDIT: Just to elaborate a little more on this, Agent Pride (played by Scott Bakula) who leads the team on NCIS:NO first popped up in an episode of NCIS. His character was later spun off into the NCIS:NO series, which I watch partially because I like the main series but mostly because I loved Quantum Leap (which also starred Scott Bakula). Since a Quantum Leap reboot seems to have zero chance of happening at this point, NCIS:NO is as close as I'm getting to seeing Sam Beckett anytime soon. I was definitely amused by that one episode with Dean Stockwell as a guest star since that was as close to a Sam/Al Quantum Leap reunion as I'm going to get.

 

I agree with this, but I am hoping Tricia Helfer voices someone in ME:A, as well as Edward James Olmos.


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Well, I tried to watch it from the beginning when it started but every episode just made me grimace more and more, until I gave up. It's just not for me.

 

 

The 3 hour pilot is very good, as is the second espisode (28 Minutes; at least I think that's what it was called). After that, the plot begins to become mired in the mystical quasi-relgious undertones that eventually become the overtones to the entire show. 

 

Still, the reunion between the Galactica and Pegasus is great, as is their battle against the Resurrection Ship, in a later season (season 2 if I remember correctly) there is a really cool part where the Galactic jumps into an atmosphere as part of an surprise attack.

 

The narrative gets horribly convoluted, but the battle sequences are pretty cool.



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I thought it was a spin off of **MASS EFFECT**.

*gasp* who would have thought!?

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The new version was good up until it became Touched by an Angel in space. 

 

The fighter and dreadnought combat sequences are still awesome though.

sir sir that would be the series ending lol. Did not like the series ending one bit for Battlestar Galatica(new one i suppose it would be)



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sir sir that would be the series ending lol. Did not like the series ending one bit for Battlestar Galatica(new one i suppose it would be)

 

 

No, the magical/religious tomfoolery was going on long before the series finale. Having Star Buck magically return with promise to "Lead the way to Earth", the Final Five shenanigans, seeing visions of the future/past, etc.

 

It was tolerable for the first season and a half, but once that became the major focus of the show (coupled with the writers' strike no doubt) it led the series down a horrible path of  space magic and "God did it." explanations. 


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I always got a very "Star Trek Voyager" vibe from the trailer and leaked info.  Way more than B.G.

 

Of course...oh, I would love top play short space battles with that music when Starbuck flies out to engage cylons.  That would be sweet!!!

 

 

 

God...I am a nerd....



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The 3 hour pilot is very good, as is the second espisode (28 Minutes; at least I think that's what it was called). After that, the plot begins to become mired in the mystical quasi-relgious undertones that eventually become the overtones to the entire show. 

 

Still, the reunion between the Galactica and Pegasus is great, as is their battle against the Resurrection Ship, in a later season (season 2 if I remember correctly) there is a really cool part where the Galactic jumps into an atmosphere as part of an surprise attack.

 

The narrative gets horribly convoluted, but the battle sequences are pretty cool.

 

I do agree that the space battles are very nice, especially compared to the original series but that's just the wonders of modern technology. They didn't have that then. I think that if one grew up watching the original series and being a fan of it, it makes it even harder to get into the new serie. The fact that they changed so many things, doesn't help either. They also completely butchered Starbuck's character (in my opinion) and making him a woman... good grief, it's so idiotic that it's not even funny. They did the same thing to Commander Cain, as well, and turned him from a respected war hero into a complete psychopath.  And number 6... I have absolutely nothing good to say about her.

 

I know many like the new serie but I happily stick with the original show. :)


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TBH I think ME has elements from all kinds of Sci fi shows FTL drive being like Star Trek's warp drive the Mass Relay's being like the Babylon 5 jump gates The Citadel itself was kind of like a Babylon 5 type station. |The Illusive man head of Cerberus was kind of like the Cigarette smoking man from the X files. Shepard kind of feeling a lot like Mulder and Scully given nobody seemed to believe him/her till the bad guy's came crashing through the back door in ME3



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I agree with this, but I am hoping Tricia Helfer voices someone in ME:A, as well as Edward James Olmos.

 

I'm down with that - also love EJO!



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I do agree that the space battles are very nice, especially compared to the original series but that's just the wonders of modern technology. They didn't have that then. I think that if one grew up watching the original series and being a fan of it, it makes it even harder to get into the new serie. The fact that they changed so many things, doesn't help either. They also completely butchered Starbuck's character (in my opinion) and making him a woman... good grief, it's so idiotic that it's not even funny. They did the same thing to Commander Cain, as well, and turned him from a respected war hero into a complete psychopath.  And number 6... I have absolutely nothing good to say about her.

 

I know many like the new serie but I happily stick with the original show. :)

 

 

I've never really seen the original series so I went into the new BSG with a fresh pallet.

 

That being said, I would have to agree on Starbuck and Admiral Cain. Starbuck seems like she was written to be better than all the other pilots less because she was a better operator, and more because she was a snarky woman. Personally I found the female recruit they bring in from the civilian fleet to be a better Starbuck than Starbuck. As for Cain, I could see the writers were trying to make her more Renegade-y to Adama's Paragon-ness, but they went too overboard with her character and she came across as a raving lunatic that would sacrifice the last remnants of humanity to fight a war they couldn't win. 

 

Still, I have yet to see a sci-fi film or show that handled the space combat as 'realistically' as Battlestar Galactica did. The Vipers strafing targets flying while backwards; relying on their forward momentum; to only using RCS thrusters for dog-fighting etc.