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[Andromelek]

I know that Solas is going to play the main villain role, but honestly I think the game would feel empty if Solas is the only dude screwing around, so, if was up to you which kind of villain you think the game needs?

Personally the kind of villain I think would be cool is a General under Solas' command, someone with a more cold and military mind that Solas, whose means and strategies tend to be more successful than the own Solas', but that also would lead him to disagree with some of the ideals that Solas could have, for example taking any advantage he could get from the situation without caring about being called monster, basically someone like Shockwave but not that emotionless.

[congokong]

If Briala wasn't potentially dead I'd say she'd make a good villain for the elven cause. But I can't think of anyone who we haven't already met. Keeper Hawen? Eh. It'd certainly be interesting to have an elven Warden or Inquisitor siding with Solas if you wished them to support his goals, but catering that optional scenario would require far too much work on Bioware's part to ever be feasible.

[Rhidor]

Like stated above, a former elven protagnist would be really nice to fight against. 

 

Other than that, I'd like to have someone with character. Loghain-like perhaps? A female antagonist would also be great.

[Andromelek]

Well, talking of that, if the conflict between the Wardens is on the story, then HoF could be at least a boss fight if we side with the opposite branch to HoF's.

[Medhia_Nox]

Merrill (easy, the cause-head is nutters), Feynreil (chance to learn more), Zathrian (already a psychotic loon), Fenris (maybe with a promise of removing his lyrium vallaslin), that obnoxious elf in the Mage Origin in the library (because he was an arse),  Velanna (another psychotic elven mage... too cliche at this point?)

[Nixou]

Well, talking of that, if the conflict between the Wardens is on the story, then HoF could be at least a boss fight if we side with the opposite branch to HoF's.

 

Although bringing back a former protagonist as an enemy has the potential for interesting narratives, the reactions to Hawke's cameo have made virtually certain that former protagonists won't be brought back unless the writers convince the producers that implementing dual protagonists is worth the extra effort and costs.

 

And even then, the secondary PC of DA4 wouldn't be the Warden, it would be the Inquisitor.

[congokong]

Merrill (easy, the cause-head is nutters), Feynreil (chance to learn more), Zathrian (already a psychotic loon), Fenris (maybe with a promise of removing his lyrium vallaslin), that obnoxious elf in the Mage Origin in the library (because he was an arse),  Velanna (another psychotic elven mage... too cliche at this point?)

All of which are potentially dead ...or worse in Feynriel's case. Velanna's the only one whose fate wasn't decided in the Keep even if you did kill her like I did. They could always pull a Leliana I suppose.

[MisterJB]

DA4 should place us squarely in the middle of the conflict between Tevinter and the Qun with the sense that the next moves, while perhaps not leading to the ultimate victory for one side, will alter the maps and the scales for good. And the final villain should be Sten turned Arishok.

[Ardent Blossom]

Um, Morrigan? She is "the inheritor" after all. Mythal may have different motives for tearing down the veil, but it must be part of her revenge plot somehow. Solas and Mythaligan could have a Vader/Emperor relationship, and in the end (if the protagonist walks the "right" path) Solas could throw the Mythaligan into the core of the Death Star Forge Skyhold Foci Catalyst Magic Thinggy whatever that might be. Or, heck, Mythaligan could throw Solas in if you like. Let's make it happen. 

 

I know the standard objection to this suggestion: Morrigan was an LI for the Warden. Yes, but, Solas was an LI too. Another former companion as a villain will just make the choices more deliciously difficult. Also, notice how they tried to make Morrigan a more sympathetic character in Inquisition. I suspect this might indeed be part of the plan...all those elven ruins with the dragon and wolf side by side...  

[Forsythia77]

I want to see someone who is legitimately evil.  I mean like, evil that does their own evil dirty work and takes joy in being evil. Arl Rendon Howe comes to mind.  He enjoyed being an a-hole and therefore I had no issues killing him off.  I'm not sure Coryfish enjoyed being evil.  And he had too many lackey underlings doing all the hard work for him.  I get that BW wants people who are in that moral gray area because it makes your choices harder and at least you can see the other side.  Too many Loghains and Calpernias that you can feel sorry for.  But give me someone who it will give me joy to take out. 

[Medhia_Nox]

@Forsythia77: A loony bald rat-faced elf who wants to rip the sky open and burn Thedas alive killing three of the four sapient species (and possibly all four) isn't 'legitimately evil' enough for you? 

 

Man... tough crowd.

[Ashagar]

DA4 should place us squarely in the middle of the conflict between Tevinter and the Qun with the sense that the next moves, while perhaps not leading to the ultimate victory for one side, will alter the maps and the scales for good. And the final villain should be Sten turned Arishok.

 

Yah no matter what comes of Solas, the war between Tevinter and the Qun will determine the fate of Thadas in the long run assuming Solas doesn't burn the world in raw chaos and assuming that all those hints at the people from across the sea who seem to have a better spy network than the qunari doesn't translate into a new threat of course. I am reminded of that Viedo message about the mongol horde arrival from MTWII about how ignoring what lies beyond known borders is asking for a rude awaking that can become a nightmare.

[Aren]

DA4 should place us squarely in the middle of the conflict between Tevinter and the Qun with the sense that the next moves, while perhaps not leading to the ultimate victory for one side, will alter the maps and the scales for good. And the final villain should be Sten turned Arishok.

Didn't Sten died if he is left in that cage?

If not how he escaped?

[DarkSun09]

Solas as a villain is awesome. He is the best kind of villain because he exists in that gray area where right and wrong is blurred. He's a good man, doing the wrong things for what he thinks are the right reasons. He doesn't do it for power or glory, and he knows it's going to make him a monster in everyone's eyes, but it matters enough to him that he will sacrifice all---love, honor, his own life even---to accomplish his mission. I appreciates his reasons, and I can even respect his ruthlessness, even if I wholeheartedly disagree with his methods. 

 

And as the player, if you were his friend or lover, you are conflicted as well. Now you must sacrifice love/friendship, and maybe even your own life, to do what you think is right. I like it. I love that I am torn on what to do. I might have to kill him, but I want that chance to change his mind. That is so much more meaningful, not to mention more difficult to do, than to simply kill him in combat (if that is even possible). 

 

Anyway, the worst kind of villain is one that is so obviously a villain. Like Corypheus. Just look at him. You can write the word EVIL across his forehead and it could not be more any more obvious. From his appearance to the things he says... I was never conflicted on what to do with him. Kill, maim or destroy... those were the only options. Meh... I felt more emotions fighting Calpernia. 

 

If Solas is to be joined by other antagonists... I just hope they are either personable or heroic or honorable even (in their own ways), so that fighting them would be a struggle, not just physically, but emotionally as well. Forced into killing good men for the right reasons...argh...I want that so bad! I hope it breaks my Inquisitor (or whoever the next protagonist is going to be). 

[Forsythia77]

@Forsythia77: A loony bald rat-faced elf who wants to rip the sky open and burn Thedas alive killing three of the four sapient species (and possibly all four) isn't 'legitimately evil' enough for you? 

 

Man... tough crowd.

 

Sure he's evil.  But he's too lazy to really do the work of being a super villain.  His flunkies kept screwing things up for him. If you're gonna be evil just declare yourself a bastard and be an evil bastard and tear crap up.  Too many villains have minions who suck at being a good minion because of their own egos.  I also think he is more or less misguided.  He's had like what?  1000 years to think about his failure to reach Dumat in the Golden city to the point where it compressed down into something diamond hard and concrete, with a huge logic flaw.  But still, I don't think he is  true evil, just so misguided.  He really believes

 

I'm also not saying I don't like the shades of gray we get for most villains in the game either, but like I said, sometimes you want someone who is evil.  I kinda liked Erimond.  He was a D-bag and made no apologies for being one.

[BloodKaiden]

If for the overall game, then a big bad who isn't a mage. Would like to see a clever dark Rogue who just trolls our main or maybe a dark knight type.

[Carmen_Willow]

A truly evil villain, like the Arl's son in the City Elf Origin. The sort you can take great satisfaction in saying that you took him/her down "like a dog."

[DarkAmaranth1966]

Solas with an original charater IF you did not befriend or romance him AND drink from the Well but, if you did both then, The Inquisitor as a co-villain. Yes that means we'd have to create the appearance of Quizzy at the start of the game as well as our new PC but, well worth it  for the twist that would be.

 

It works plot wise since Solas has the soul of Mythal and, if Quizzy drank form the well, serves Mythal. As a friend and/or lover, Quizzy may think they are trying to save other races but, in reality they are serving Solas/Mythal.

 

What I wonder is how many old gods/elven gods are going to get rolled into one. Flemeth had the OGB and Mythal, Now we can assume Solas has them both but, he was Solas first then Fen'harel so, was he already two so is now four?

[kimgoold]

Truly evil characters like Ser Alric DA2, Lord Vaughn Kendalls and Arl Rendon Howe DAO, and just suspect slimy self-serving characters like Anora and Loghain Mac Tir from DAO. I would like to see an unapologetic evil slime like Servis or Erimond from DAI, someone you can really hate.

[thats1evildude]

The Arishok formerly known as "Sten."

 

The Archon of the Tevinter Imperium.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

The Black Devine

[Ardent Blossom]

The Black Devine

This is an original idea. I'd at least like to meet this fellow. We've been knee deep in Southern chantry lore for 3 games. It's time to hear the other side of the story. I can't imagine why The Black Divine would be inherently evil though....maybe if he was on a mission to convert all of Thedas to the Imperial Chantry and made a deal with "the devil" to do so.

[vellveteen]

The Qunari will likely become an enemy in the next game too, so I wouldn't be surprised if the second villain is a Qunari. I agree that Solas will be an interesting villain, as well as the hardest. I would like to see a rogue who is cold and ruthless, but also has some good reasoning behind their evil - similar to Loghain. They should be female for a change too. If they were an elf then I think they should be a rival to solas. Some of the best villains are the intelligent ones who become evil with vengence. I would prefer a character who is morally ambitious, unlike Erimond or Corypheus.   

[GoldenGail3]

Rendon Howe. Vaugh. I wish they knew each, I'm sure they'd come up with a horrible plan that ends up with my Cousland killing them. Yeah. Go get me some pigs, will you? I need power hungry Pigs to kill, cause they deserve it!

[d1ta]

Other than a mage. Especially if it's an elven mage since I do NOT want a copy of Solas with different flavours and topping. Especially if both of them on board the same game. Just no.

We already got darkspawn, mages of varying races and their particular crazies, a mad KC and the late Arishok.

I think I'll go with BloodKaiden on the 'rogue' idea. Someone whose terribly ruthless, cold hearted but charismatic as hell. One who can out wit a powerful but prideful mage and who fights really really dirty that s/he can cut even a seasoned warrior in half.