let's be honest here, straight white men haven't been discriminated against as an entire unit except for in some very strange circumstances, such as post-independence Zimbabwe, and well that's about all I can think of... might throw in Islamic conquests of European land though that discrimination had much roe to do with religion. There have been numerous instances wher particular sub-groups have been discriminated against, one need only look at the Irish.
Which is why I never said all.
That is cool. DOA as well. I didn't go to concerts until the early 90s. You're older than I thought (compliment). Never saw a goth band... I think. Some of the goth stuff I like could probably still classify as punk (Christian Death).
Goth wasn't the name of the subculture originally. As I recall we used the term Death punk until the mid 80's when gothic started to be in vogue. Goth music's roots are in the punk and post punk scene so that would include punk, new wave, industrial and hardcore. The term gothic rock or deathrock is rarely used by the artists to describe themselves either. And gothic music means something different in the UK than it does in the US, so when Siouxsie Sioux of the Banshee's fame says she was never a gothic band it is in reference to the UK meaning vs the US meaning.
In the late 1970s, the word "gothic" was used to describe the atmosphere of post-punk bands like Joy Division, Siouxsie and the Banshees and Magazine. In March 1979, critic Nick Kent used the gothic adjective in his review of Magazine's second album Secondhand Daylight. Kent noted that there was "a new austere sense of authority" to their music, with a "dank neo-Gothic sound".[19] Later that year, Martin Hannett described Joy Division as "dancing music with gothic overtones"[20] and in September, their manager Tony Wilson described their music as "gothic" on the television show Something Else.[21] In 1980, Melody Maker wrote that "Joy Division are masters of this gothic gloom".[22] When their final album Closer came out a couple of months after the death of their singer, Sounds noted in its review that there were "dark strokes of gothic rock".[23] Not long after, this appellation "became a critical term of abuse" for a band like Bauhaus, who had arrived on the music scene in 1979.[20]
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Source: https://en.wikipedia...iki/Gothic_rock
Goth later became a positive identifier, obviously.
The roots of the music are punk and post punk with deathpunk or deathrock in the US has been used to describe the music as well. It was never a defined subgenre of music at least not one used by the artists themselves while they were making the music but became a catch all term used to describe music that death punks/goths listen to.
These early post-punk deathrock bands were not immediately identified as part of a new subgenre of punk; they were simply considered a darker flavor of punk and were not yet considered part of a separate musical movement. During this time, these bands would play at the same venues as punk, hardcore and new wave bands.
source: https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Deathrock
So if you are not sure exactly what goth music is, it is because it never was and really isn't now a genre in and of itself but rather a catch all term used to generally describe a 'darker version' of music in already existing genres of music.
None of that tells me that straight white men aren't discriminated against. Which was what I was asking for statistics on, but regarding politicians, they are voted into power, throughout most of Europe and North America women make up the makority of voters. Also, in case you haven't noticed, most men aren't polititions.
err what? You do understand that positions of power are dominated by men right? And by positions of power i refer to, political seats, executives and middle management positions be they corporation or government bureaucracies. When people use the term straight white male majority they are talking about a straight white male majority in THESE positions not a majority of the population.
Now if you want to WILFULLY ignore the definition and instead focus on the literal interpretation of the meaning majority then fine. No white men are not a majority let alone straight white men but that isn't the actual meaning of the term straight white male majority. And no where does being a majority mean you CAN'T be a victim of discrimination as an individual. however just because individual straight white men will and have experienced discrimination does not mean that the demographic as a whole suffers from discrimination as can be shown with other demographics.
So either you can accept these real tangible points or you can run around linguistical circles about what the literal meaning of majority is just so you can pretend to be clever.
Goth wasn't the name of the subculture originally. As I recall we used the term Death punk until the mid 80's when gothic started to be in vogue. Goth music's roots are in the punk and post punk scene so that would include punk, new wave, industrial and hardcore. The term gothic rock or deathrock is rarely used by the artists to describe themselves either. And gothic music means something different in the UK than it does in the US, so when Siouxsie Sioux of the Banshee's fame says she was never a gothic band it is in reference to the UK meaning vs the US meaning.
Bold italics underline mine
Source: https://en.wikipedia...iki/Gothic_rock
Goth later became a positive identifier, obviously.
The roots of the music are punk and post punk with deathpunk or deathrock in the US has been used to describe the music as well. It was never a defined subgenre of music at least not one used by the artists themselves while they were making the music but became a catch all term used to describe music that death punks/goths listen to.
source: https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Deathrock
So if you are not sure exactly what goth music is, it is because it never was and really isn't now a genre in and of itself but rather a catch all term used to generally describe a 'darker version' of music in already existing genres of music.
Cool. It's probably why most of the people I grew up around just listened to it interchangably. In the end, I'm just a rock fan. I never wanted to categorize Siouxsie either. She covered things from Doors to Television. And did a Batman song... which I love 
Bavarians are weird. But it all goes back to the German Confederacy and the Hapsburgs. Basically, they were sort of their own thing then they went broke and became germans...more or less, there is more there historically but their basically like a...Germanic Scotland
I'm not much of one for economic history though truthfully, but they were a kingdom that was integrated way back when into the German state.
Bavaria was part of the Holy Roman Empire, IIRC the house of Wittelsbach held the throne sometimes and Bavaria was later part of the German Confederacy. Bavaria was its own thing like Baden, Württemberg, Sachsen, Hessen-Darmstadt, Nassau or Waldeck. Or Hannover and Kurhessen, which existed until Prussia gobbled them up 1866. Difference is, they were the most powerful member behind Prussia and got some privileges for that to join the fun (and as nice incentive so Ludwig II would proclaim the prussian king as the german emperor) So might be that everyone pretends they are their own thing, the bavarians because of pride, the rest because these hats and Lederhosen are so silly, but they are germans as much as the rest. Their language differs fom high german but uh well the local dialect from where I live is also pretty different. Never learned it and I actually understand it less than bavarian. 
Their language differs fom high german but uh well the local dialect from where I live is also pretty different. Never learned it and I actually understand it less than bavarian.
From time to time i try to speak in Middle High German ... it's awesome
err what? You do understand that positions of power are dominated by men right? And by positions of power i refer to, political seats, executives and middle management positions be they corporation or government bureaucracies. When people use the term straight white male majority they are talking about a straight white male majority in THESE positions not a majority of the population.
Now if you want to WILFULLY ignore the definition and instead focus on the literal interpretation of the meaning majority then fine. No white men are not a majority let alone straight white men but that isn't the actual meaning of the term straight white male majority. And no where does being a majority mean you CAN'T be a victim of discrimination as an individual. however just because individual straight white men will and have experienced discrimination does not mean that the demographic as a whole suffers from discrimination as can be shown with other demographics.
So either you can accept these real tangible points or you can run around linguistical circles about what the literal meaning of majority is just so you can pretend to be clever.
Again, what does this have to do with men not being discriminated against?
Nice history lesson. It's easy to forget how much borders in most places don't mean as much and are in flux.. I guess we're dealing with post WW1 now at this point. In Europe and the Middle East as well.
In America, it's been a little more static (and the country is shortlived).
o.o
Well about a hundred and fifty years ago there was a border dispute in the US
Invalid. Got their asses kicked. Problem solved.
Wait, which one are you talking about? 
Invalid. Got their asses kicked. Problem solved.
Wait, which one are you talking about?
The one with Mexico
You do know I live in San Antonio, right?
Funnily, since we were talking about Ozzy, he pissed on the Alamo years back, in a drunken stupor. He finally just apologized for it. And I'm not one to be patriotic about this area, but that's still a good monument/story worth cherishing. It wasn't exactly a "border dispute" though. It was a war of independence. Texas wasn't exactly in the union yet.
The one in 1846 not not 1821
I'm impressed. i don't know as much about Norway.
Mexico was belligerent from the previous war. I don't think it qualifies as a border dispute either. They didn't even acknowledge Texas. The US even got as far as taking Mexico City afterwards, but they never wanted it. I'd say America was being generous.
o.o Norwegian history is a long story of war, incest, betrayal, more war and incest...its basically game of thrones
Sounds peachy.
Funnily, this area can still feel like Mexico. The big difference is the government. Not the cultures. And what I forgot to mention is that Mexico demanded both fealty (fine) to settlers back then -- but also demanded they convert to Catholicism just for living here. I happen to like Catholicism, but come on. We're better off without those kind of tests. No wonder why they rebelled.
Again, what does this have to do with men not being discriminated against?
Well if you had bothered to read my post you would know because I directly addressed it.
You can't cure...
I witnessed this thread.
On the 1% chance you guys have just interpreted me wrong.. I'll go into this in more detail.
1. If Physics were the study of the physical, and sex is physical, then really, the study of sex would be physics, and sexology as the study of sex would be a redundant concept, and redundancy which is a concept which I think is universally regarded as a bad concept.
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You've lost me somewhat. I guess I was trying to say that all things have their fields of study and that no area of knowledge should be dismissed so casually - I wasn't trying to define either physics or sexology. I'm not sure the disagreement is worth continuing with though.
And would like me and you and the people who liked your post to be friends. If that is too much to ask, then at least to respect each other. If nothing else, at least the ability to go our separate ways and respect the ability to be different. Any of those would satisfy me, although in descending order of preference. But whatever happens, I hope you and others can find ways to be happy, every day of your life. Especially you Ms. Sardaukar, you seem like a good person..
I have no personal issue with you. I have found conversations with you difficult because you seem (to me) to be more interested in telling people what you've concluded than actually discussing a topic. While I can appreciate conviction and righteousness there comes a point where there isn't actually a conversation between two people anymore.
And unless Ms has become a more inclusive title than I'm aware of I feel I should point out that I am actually a man.
The contention here might just come down to how arbitrary flirting is. The definition is, "behave as though attracted to or trying to attract someone, but for amusement rather than with serious intentions."
But the common interpretation seems to be that flirting is earnest pursuit. In any case, we still agree that they should probably be more careful with auto dialogue than they were in that instance.
Shouldn't flirting be an action independent of intent?
There have been numerous instances wher particular sub-groups have been discriminated against, one need only look at the Irish.
It's alright, we don't hold a grudge.
Speaking of wildly off topic...
In the realm of this thread's original subject, I'm in the middle on this issue.
I like dark subject matter, especially if it happens to be scary. I don't like grimdark, in the sense that a sense of looming hopelessness in a narrative will eventually become tiring to me. I half agree with the OP, setting aside the early mathematical error of "more than half of the companions being gay."
But how can you be both grimdark and happy?
Well, I've always thought so. The google definition suggests that it's non-earnest, as a rule. My thoughts on the subject don't get any more comprehensive than my conviction that platonic flirting is possible, and that Femshep and Vega (my version of them, anyway) were doing it.I
Shouldn't flirting be an action independent of intent?
Emotionally, my Shep was hung up on Kaidan so she wouldn't have really considered anyone that way, but at the same time, she didn't hate watching Vega do pull ups.
Nothing wrong with art appreciation. One can be in a committed relationship and still find others attractive or drop a few casual flirty lines in a conversation. You just gotta set your boundaries and convey your intent so you avoid hairy situations and playing around with someone's feelings
Nothing wrong with art appreciation. One can be in a committed relationship and still find others attractive or drop a few casual flirty lines in a conversation. You just gotta set your boundaries and convey your intent so you avoid hairy situations and playing around with someone's feelings
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