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[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I don't think I follow.

I personally can't be. Grimdark makes me..kind of sad. Sometimes.

Ah, just being silly. Using the gay = happy definition in response to what you said.

[Hair Serious Business]

^All this!

 

ME:A is +18 game and such I see no reason why there shouldn't be good ol' classic gore with dark theme story, consequences and ending that aren't going to get "Disney" treatment.(Meaning also please BW no more of songs we can't skip, if you have to make "Disney" song give me option to skip it. I know I'm annoying with this but trust me so was I each time Mother Giselle started singing and I couldn't skip it and was forced to wait until it ends.)

 

In another words when you do story, don't hold back and try to "Disney" it in order to please group of players that always confuses +18 games for kid's games.

 

When you do consequences, let there be real ones that make make you feel penalty of bad/ some wrong choices you made. Don't sugercoat("Disney") it in here. If I for example made wrong decision, didn't completed something, was too lazy to gather resources, pissed of my crew....I want to see penalty of it.(Crew leaves if I'm too much of a D/ or they rebel against me, some event will play out differently depending on choice I made, endings shall be different based on the way you played. Pretty much as I said, let me see real consequences of my action that won't hold my hand).

 

Gore is must! It is +18 game I repeat for all those who wish to whine of "Think about children" this game is not intended for kids! So give your kids to play lego games and in here shall be glorious gore we all love. End of discussion for all "concerned parents".

 

Romances as well shouldn't hold back with too much "censoring". In another words BW feel free to repeat same process of nudity in ME:A that you did in DA:I. Because nudity is nothing to be ashamed of(I swear humans are only spices who are ashamed of their bodies), so there is no reason for nudity to not be in +18 game!

 

So I will quote this post: DON'T MAKE THIS GAME FOR SOFTIES!

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Bieber is Canadian

 

don't remind us!

[Shechinah]

^All this!

 

ME:A is +18 game and such I see no reason why there shouldn't be good ol' classic gore with dark theme story, consequences and ending that aren't going to get "Disney" treatment.(Meaning also please BW no more of songs we can't skip, if you have to make "Disney" song give me option to skip it. I know I'm annoying with this but trust me so was I each time Mother Giselle started singing and I couldn't skip it and was forced to wait until it ends.)

 

So because a game features a song, it means it was a "Disney" song? By this logic, would Dragon Age: Origins not also have had a "Disney" song because of the song Leliana sings at the campsite?

 

Note; Disney have had some very infamous moments where they made no attempt to sugar-coat themes and elements such as death. The Hunchback of Notre Dame is an especially big ball of adult themes and topics like obsession, persecution, deformity and death. 

 

I suppose the negative comparisons have never sat well with me for the same reason the negative comparisons to saturday morning cartoon has not; They tend to be based on people seemingly blatantly ignoring or generalising the animated works that goes through much labor and thought to be good and intelligent products and defies the common stereotype of animated works being without substance and devoid of intelligence.
 

[Nattfare]

Every game should have the songs from Disney's "The Sword In the Stone", I loved that movie as a kid.

[Hair Serious Business]

You missed point. This wasn't about Disney lmao but since you touched topic let me try to re-explain it better by using your own examples.

 

Lets start with Leliana, shall we? What is difference between Leliana's song in DAO and Mother Giselle's song in DA:I? Know what...which simple thing is just different? The fact that you can skip Leliana's song and no harm done, but you can't do that when Mother Giselle starts to sing and you are forced to wait until she shuts her mouth up.

So how does that relate to Disney? Because pretty much every Disney movie is just songs. In fact almost every movie is 95% just songs so if you skipped those songs in Disney you would pretty much skip entire movie which means you are forced to watch them if you want to watch movie. That is why Mother Giselle's song is done in "Disney style" and while her song is not 95% of game still that simple event was more then enough to traumatize you for life that you are going to remember most about game.

 

Anyway lets now go with part two of "Disney does always hold your hands in end!". Because it does! No matter how dark themed story or morbid it is in end it will always hold "hero's" hand regardless of dumb choices protagonists should have payed for(take Ariel as best example). So no matter how once again dark story was in end it always gets same, good guy wins, bad guy loses, good guy lives "happily ever after" bad guy gets short stick of end or in more extreme cases dies....even though let's take Ariel once more as example when you are stupid enough to sign some contract with someone you know is evil you are supposed to suffer penalty for it, not get away with being stupid.

So when I said no more "Disney" style I mean if I make some dumb decision in game I want to suffer penalty for it, even if that means I'm going to die and bad guy will get away, I want to see penalty for my dumb decisions instead of game holding my hand in end of game regardless of what I do. If I was D bag, let my crew betray me or leave me, let me see damn difference instead of knowing that no matter how I played or what choice I made there will be no consequence of it.

 

But as I said this was not about Disney just because I used it as metaphor for something. This is forum of BW games not Disney movies and this section of forum here is meant to discuss upcoming BW's game ME:A therefor that is only discussion that should be happening. Because as I said I only used Disney as metaphor not to start topic of Disney but I have decided to open that topic a bit since you were one who started it.

 

P.S. Just in case I wasn't clear with "I'm not here to discuss Disney"(because this is internet and no one is ever reading or understanding anything), drop topic about Disney because I'm not going off-topic anymore to discuss something completely unrelated to the game. So I will repeat again "Disney" in here was metaphor and not "Lets talk about Disney".

[AlanC9]

Lets start with Leliana, shall we? What is difference between Leliana's song in DAO and Mother Giselle's song in DA:I? Know what...which simple thing is just different? The fact that you can skip Leliana's song and no harm done, but you can't do that when Mother Giselle starts to sing and you are forced to wait until she shuts her mouth up.

Another difference is that you can ask Leliana to sing the song again, but not Giselle.

Actually, I never knew Leliana's song was skippable until this minute, so that part of your Disney metaphor went right by me too. I don't think it's a very good metaphor; you're using it to refer to two utterly unrelated concepts.

And "traumatize you for life"? Dude.... really? When you're having trouble communicating your ideas to someone, adding silly hyperbole isn't likely to improve the communication.

[Lady Artifice]

You missed point. This wasn't about Disney lmao but since you touched topic let me try to re-explain it better by using your own examples.
 
Lets start with Leliana, shall we? What is difference between Leliana's song in DAO and Mother Giselle's song in DA:I? Know what...which simple thing is just different? The fact that you can skip Leliana's song and no harm done, but you can't do that when Mother Giselle starts to sing and you are forced to wait until she shuts her mouth up.
So how does that relate to Disney? Because pretty much every Disney movie is just songs. In fact almost every movie is 95% just songs so if you skipped those songs in Disney you would pretty much skip entire movie which means you are forced to watch them if you want to watch movie. That is why Mother Giselle's song is done in "Disney style" and while her song is not 95% of game still that simple event was more then enough to traumatize you for life that you are going to remember most about game.
 
Anyway lets now go with part two of "Disney does always hold your hands in end!". Because it does! No matter how dark themed story or morbid it is in end it will always hold "hero's" hand regardless of dumb choices protagonists should have payed for(take Ariel as best example). So no matter how once again dark story was in end it always gets same, good guy wins, bad guy loses, good guy lives "happily ever after" bad guy gets short stick of end or in more extreme cases dies....even though let's take Ariel once more as example when you are stupid enough to sign some contract with someone you know is evil you are supposed to suffer penalty for it, not get away with being stupid.
So when I said no more "Disney" style I mean if I make some dumb decision in game I want to suffer penalty for it, even if that means I'm going to die and bad guy will get away, I want to see penalty for my dumb decisions instead of game holding my hand in end of game regardless of what I do. If I was D bag, let my crew betray me or leave me, let me see damn difference instead of knowing that no matter how I played or what choice I made there will be no consequence of it.
 
But as I said this was not about Disney just because I used it as metaphor for something. This is forum of BW games not Disney movies and this section of forum here is meant to discuss upcoming BW's game ME:A therefor that is only discussion that should be happening. Because as I said I only used Disney as metaphor not to start topic of Disney but I have decided to open that topic a bit since you were one who started it.
 
P.S. Just in case I wasn't clear with "I'm not here to discuss Disney"(because this is internet and no one is ever reading or understanding anything), drop topic about Disney because I'm not going off-topic anymore to discuss something completely unrelated to the game. So I will repeat again "Disney" in here was metaphor and not "Lets talk about Disney".

The statement that Disney movies at 95% songs is incorrect.

You're free to stop discussing Disney, of course, but you've already brought up the comparison and so now the rest of us are also free to discuss it if we want to address your criticism.

[Undead Han]

I wish Leliana sang more than she did in that one DA:O clip. Or strummed a lute around camp or something. Why have a bard character who doesn't do bard stuff?

 

That said, I thought the bard songs in DA:I were much better than Leliana's cutscene in DA:O. The scene in DA:O seemed more like a scene from an old Hollywood musical, rather than the character acting naturally.

[SentinelMacDeath]

I'd love more singing, singing vastly improves a lot of things. The DA:I scene is still one of my favorites, so many emotions. I still wish for a Citadel Karaoke bar, they have a ramen restaurant AND a sushi bar .. nobody can tell me that there wouldn't be a karaoke place.

[Ahglock]

rum and whiskey/bourbon/scotch you mean

Love those as well. But good tequila is quite tasty. Good vodka is defined by removing most of its flavor which is why it sucks.

[SardaukarElite]

Not being able to make it through one song in a game without skipping sounds pretty soft to me. 

[Ahglock]

My enthusiasm for all of the above is actually pretty inclusive. Cocktails are one of my passions.

Mine as well. I love me some mixed drinks and with almost an obsession with tiki drinks. I planted am assortment of citrus trees just to make sure I can have fresh squeezed juice on hand for my drinks.

I keep vodka on hand for drinks but it's not something I'll drink straight. A good rum, gin, tequila, whiskey, bourbon etc I will drink straight.

[Nattfare]

I'd love more singing, singing vastly improves a lot of things. The DA:I scene is still one of my favorites, so many emotions. I still wish for a Citadel Karaoke bar, they have a ramen restaurant AND a sushi bar .. nobody can tell me that there wouldn't be a karaoke place.

 

I'd have to be really drunk to be convinced to do any karaoke.

 

 

 

 

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Good thing I'm never drunk.

[Just Here For Popcorns]

The statement that Disney movies at 95% songs is incorrect.

You're free to stop discussing Disney, of course, but you've already brought up the comparison and so now the rest of us are also free to discuss it if we want to address your criticism.

Wonder what made Frozen popular in first palce....oooh I know the damn catchy songs since that cartoon had no real story or plot whatsoever that wasn't getting some catchy song getting stuck in your head.

[SentinelMacDeath]

I'd have to be really drunk to be convinced to do any karaoke.

 

 

 

 

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Good thing I'm never drunk.

 

 

but ... but ... Karaoke?  

In Japan at least there are Karaoke places that offer free ice cream all you can eat as well as free soft drinks. Their food is great too! 

[Just Here For Popcorns]

but ... but ... Karaoke?

In Japan at least there are Karaoke places that offer free ice cream all you can eat as well as free soft drinks. Their food is great too! 

Idk what country you are talking about but the one I visited in Japan which is Tokyo before 4 years ago had almost their bouncers to throw my a** out when i started to do my "karaoke" instead of supposed icecream lol

[Nattfare]

but ... but ... Karaoke?

In Japan at least there are Karaoke places that offer free ice cream all you can eat as well as free soft drinks. Their food is great too! 

 

Truly? I can agree to the ice cream and the drinks. I'll still leave the singing to everyone else.

[Lady Artifice]

Wonder what made Frozen popular in first palce....oooh I know the damn catchy songs since that cartoon had no real story or plot whatsoever that wasn't getting some catchy song getting stuck in your head.

Im not sure what parameters you're using to identify story, but academic consensus dictates that conflict = story. Songs themselves often have a plot.

If you're using hyperbole to suggest that Frozen has a bad plot, then that makes more sense, but it doesn't contribute much to the debate regarding whether Dragon Age: Inquisition is similar to a Disney film, or somehow prove that Disney films consist of 95% music.

Fantasia is one example of a Disney that actually does consist of about 95% music, but it was something of a novelty.

[Master Warder Z_]

Idk what country you are talking about but the one I visited in Japan which is Tokyo before 4 years ago had almost their bouncers to throw my a** out when i started to do my "karaoke" instead of supposed icecream lol

Was it the rap music?

[SentinelMacDeath]

Wonder what made Frozen popular in first palce....oooh I know the damn catchy songs since that cartoon had no real story or plot whatsoever that wasn't getting some catchy song getting stuck in your head.

 

Frozen was popular because Disney didn't have a musical type of movie in a while. The plot was bad but it doesn't matter much to kids since they don't dissect it. 

[wyrdx]

A space operetta, yes.  Considering the popularity of Mordin singing Gilbert and Sullivan it's clearly a guaranteed winner. Go hard on this BioWare don't cater to the softies that can't handle extreme song.

[vbibbi]

TBH I would have liked the option to skip through the Dawn Will Come scene after the first time. It annoyed me that it was one of the few times in the game that we couldn't skip a cut scene. I don't mind the scene, but it...just...drags...once you've seen it a few times.

[KaiserShep]

Wonder what made Frozen popular in first palce....oooh I know the damn catchy songs since that cartoon had no real story or plot whatsoever that wasn't getting some catchy song getting stuck in your head.

Little Shop of Horrors is probably popular mainly because of its catchy songs, but the songs are damn good, and often funny.

[FKA_Servo]

All I know about Frozen is that it would've been better had this been the plot.

 

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