You know... I was just wondering that myself. If you meet her in the fade with Morrigan and her son, Mythal screams that she will have her revenge. I thought Solas locking away the Evanuris was his punishment for them killing Mythal, but maybe she didn't think it was enough? Maybe she wants them dead, and not just locked away? Is she even working with Solas or is Mythal doing her own thing elsewhere. You'd think she'd help Solas, right? But something is making me doubt that and I'm not sure why...
Very good question... to which there is no answer as of yet 
I'm really interested in knowing if she agrees with Solas' plan or not as well.. Knowing this will be important in what we see in the future. Will we fight Solas AND Mythal together? Or will she help us stop him?
Questions, questions...
Is DA4 out yet? 
Vengeance. She talks about it enough.
I suspect that, at the end of the day, just having her murderers locked up in some extra-dimensional prison isn't satisfying her thirst for revenge.
I will be very surprised if she's all-in on Solas' plans to kill everyone. Instead, I think she'll give him just enough rope to let the Evanuris out, or let her in, and then hang them all with it before the world gets Fade-wiped.
Vengeance. She talks about it enough.
I suspect that, at the end of the day, just having her murderers locked up in some extra-dimensional prison isn't satisfying her thirst for revenge.
I will be very surprised if she's all-in on Solas' plans to kill everyone. Instead, I think she'll give him just enough rope to let the Evanuris out, or let her in, and then hang them all with it before the world gets Fade-wiped.
I think there's more to it than revenge.
I mean, yeah she talks about how she was betrayed, but also how the world was betrayed. I think, on some level, she wants to set things right. Mythal was said to be harsh, but very protective towards those she deemed to truly deserve protection. Flemeth seems to be of a similar mindset
I've wondered that myself. You would think her vengeance would be served by having the Evanuris sealed away ... unless she wants them freed so she can exact some further vengeance.
I think that's exactly what she wants. She wants them freed so she can kill them.
A grave
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I think that's exactly what she wants. She wants them freed so she can kill them.
Or to have Solas do it. That could have been Flemeth's goal all along: to prepare the board for Solas' return and to bring about the destruction of the Evanuris.
My personal theory is that when Solas formed the Veil, he somehow bound the souls of the Evanuris he banished to the physical bodies of the Old Gods. The Old Gods were supposedly High Dragons or at least very powerful dragons compared to those we face in Inquisition. With their physical form in one place, left to suffer forever and their souls locked away inside of the Old Gods, the Evanuris were powerless and thus banished 'forever'.
I always thought that it was strange how Solas reacts with such anger towards the Wardens seeking to kill the Old Gods. It is possible that when an Old God is killed, the soul locked inside of it returns to the Fade where it reunites with its owner. However all evidence seems to suggest that when a Warden slays an Old God the soul is destroyed permanently. Thus this seem unlikley. Instead I do believe that the Old Gods aided Solas, by agreeing to trap the souls of the Evanuris inside of their own bodies. This might be why the names of the Old Gods doesn't sound for most parts typically elven (Dumat, Razikale etc). These names might have been the names of the original dragons who absorbed the souls of the Evanuris.
When considering just how powerful the Evanuris must have been, I find it very unlikley that Solas could have actually banished them on his own. He must have had more help than just simple elves armed with swords and spells. I'm not quite sure if it has been established in the lore for just how long a dragon lives, but we do know that they come with considerable lifespans, thus trapping the souls of the Evanuris inside the Old Gods makes perfect sense, as Solas would need a host for the souls of the Evanuris that would not die for a very long time, as that would cause their souls to return to the Fade and make them whole again.
It could even be that the Titans represent the second piece of this puzzle and might have agreed to take the souls of the Forgotten Ones unto themselves. Solas then formed the Veil. We do know for fact that the veil breach in Inquisition caused the Titan in the Descent to awaken. Thus it seems possible that both the Old Gods and the Titans were tied to the presence of the Fade and that they both fell asleep with the forming of the Veil.
When Corypheus and the magisters entered the Fade physically long after, they caused the Titans and the Old Gods to awaken. It's possible that these magisters at first entered the Fade in their dreams, and that the Evanuris somehow found a way to communicate with them and point them to the location of the Old Gods. They then returned with the Taint, that might have originally been intended as a poison for the Old Gods with the purpose to kill them and thus return the souls of the Evanuris to the Fade. Finding a way to destroy the soul of an Elven God could simply have been a completely incidental discovery on the Wardens part.
Solas is angered because the Old Gods were some of his closest allies, and the Wardens are killing them off.
Mythal is described by Solas as a kind individual who protected her people. Yet she speaks of a reckoning that will shake the very heavens. Codex entries seem to suggest that Mythal and Elgar'nan were once a couple. If Elgar'nan took part in or even orchestrated Mythal's murder it would further explain why she choose Flemeth to be her host, as he shares a very similar history in terms of tragic love. The same case could be made for Andraste by the way. Mythal might simply be on a personal vendetta against Elgar'nan or one particular member of the Evanuris. Unlike Solas, Mythal was actually murdered by the Evanuris, so she would have a much stronger motivation to want them dead. If Flemeth were truly made aware of Mythal's past, then it's possible she openly agreed to take the broken fragment of Mythal's being unto herself with the purpose to carry out her vengeance.
For how great Solas believes Mythal to me, she does seem pretty blood-thirsty.
Locked away, they can simply sleep - Uthanera. So I see her point. i would guess she wants them to have to live with a mortal body as a host, same as she has been forced to live. She want's them each to experience personal betrayal as she has, not just betrayal as a group.
I also think she wants to remove the veil but, in a way that does not destroy any race. She cares for and protects members of each race. I think she wants a new world where all races have a place but, the immortal elves rule it all again.
Remember she knows that humans were not the cause of elf mortality, but rather the veil is the cause.
For how great Solas believes Mythal to me, she does seem pretty blood-thirsty.
Is she? Scary legends aside, have we ever seen her act violently except when defending herself or someone else?
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) But seeing her even in such a weakened state still guiding the elves/dalish and help heroes now and then (though her motives arent completely selfless) I cant help but to think of a mother trying to do her best with what little she has.
Is she? Scary legends aside, have we ever seen her act violently except when defending herself or someone else?
It's that her vengeance isn't evidently sated according to Flemeth despite the world being turned inside out to punish the Evanuris for her death. This even though part of her still lives on apparently, which is more than can be said for most.
It's that her vengeance isn't evidently sated according to Flemeth despite the world being turned inside out to punish the Evanuris for her death. This even though part of her still lives on apparently, which is more than can be said for most.
vengeance for what though?
Inquisitor: Why did Mythal come to you?
Flemeth: For a reckoning that will shake the very heavens
Morrigan: And you follow her whims? Do you even know what she truly is?
Flemeth You seek to preserve the powers that were, but to what end? It is because I taught you, girl. Because things happened that were never meant to happen. She was betrayed as I was betrayed-as the world was betrayed! Mythal crawled and clawed her way through the ages to me, and I will see her avenged! Alas, so long as the music plays,we dance.
This sounds like a lot more than a simple betrayal. It sounds like the Evanuris were up to something truly dangerous. Something that endangered, and perhaps still endangers the world. And she was betrayed and murdered for her efforts. And to this day she plots to set things right.
She build one of the first Empire of Thedas (at least as far as we know , of course) .
Some DA mythology and stuff like the Titans seems to point out there were other very powerful beings "owning " the land before the elves.
Anyway the truth is before she got murdered things were already slowly falling apart for the elves , the other Evanuris were getting out of hands , she was close to Fen Harel so perhaps she was on her way to make reforms , the elves messed up with something pretty bad and it's possible it's directly related to the Evanuris threatening the whole world and Fen harel having to create the veil.
Anyway the most powerful empire of Thedas and the most powerful humanoid race just fell to pieces , it seems it's all a chain of event related to mankind hubris and something else...probably the Blight.
I think Flemythal is really really pissed off and felt betrayed because well she tried her best , she achieved the best and was holding everything with an iron fist.She was dealing with the Evanuris with a mix of diplomacy and war .
She was dealing with some other forces too (Andruil and the Void , the Titans ).
She was holding it all together but seeding the way for the elves and her own downfall.
She is a force of nature , but I'm not sure she has a clear idea about the whole "betrayal" thing , I just think she's really really furious .
She may want to torture the Evanuris just because well they murdered her so it's personal.
Mostly I think she's pissed off at the world , because in Thedas magic always has a price , there's always this moment when a couple of people just go too far with it and BAM!
So in a sense the elven empire was doomed from the start being super magical and immortal , they were bound to screw up at one point no matter what.
Flemeth Mythal crawled and clawed her way through the ages to me, and I will see her avenged! Alas, so long as the music plays,we dance.
Flemeth Mythal crawled and clawed her way through the ages to me, and I will see her avenged! Alas, so long as the music plays,we dance.
Because things happened that were never meant to happen. She was betrayed as I was betrayed-as the world was betrayed!
That game you two are playing will never end.
But I'll tell you this much: The main goal is what she finishes the sentence with.
She wants to dance?
The thing that occurs to me is that Flemeth always seems to have a contingency plan, so I find it hard to believe that we have seen the last of her. Then there is the fact that her view of things does not seem to necessarily match that of Solas.
She acknowledges my Lavellan as one of the People, even if she does qualify it with the extra "who have come far", indicating they are removed from what they once were. However, she was the same with Merrill. "The People are too quick to bow the knee." She clearly takes as interest in the elves, particularly the Dalish elves, for whom Solas has such contempt (and Felassan did too). Flemeth taught Morrigan to respect and want to preserve the ancient powers, which is really what the Dalish are trying to do in their own way. I wonder how much Flemeth has influenced them about this down the years. Still, even if she hasn't helped them as much as they would have liked, she has done so in her own way. Of course they remember and revere Mythal as a Protector, which according to Solas is correct, so may be her better reaction towards them results from the fact that they remember her correctly, whereas Solas resents the fact that what they remember is his reputation with the evanuris, not the hero who set them free. He is certainly very testy with Morrigan over her declaration about Fen'Harel, yet she was taught by Flemeth and even if she got some of her knowledge direct from the Dalish, you'd think Flemeth would have set the record straight, even if only to point out to Morrigan that perhaps they Dalish might not remember their history correctly when they are removed so far from the source of it.
Then there is her attitude to the Grey Wardens. She helped the Wardens in the 5th Blight and had previously made sure the treaties in the Korcari Wilds were kept safe from harm, presumably knowing that they would be needed at some point in the future. You could argue, as she said, that the darkspawn threatened her as well and that she had ulterior motives, but to me it just doesn't seem to square with how beside himself Solas was over their plan. If you try to remind the Wardens of their noble deeds in the past to dissuade them from their current course of action, Solas disapproves. He does not like the Wardens at all. I wonder how he would react if given the opportunity to help the Wardens during a Blight. Somehow I don't get the impression he would have done as Flemeth did. Living in a human body and reacting for so many years with the people of Thedas, I wonder if Mythal has come to appreciate them more than Solas does.
What was particularly annoying was that when he mentioned how we had met Mythal, we couldn't ask him, "So how would she feel about your plan?" I doubt we'd have got a straight answer but it would have been interesting seeing his reaction.
I think there's more to it than revenge.
I mean, yeah she talks about how she was betrayed, but also how the world was betrayed. I think, on some level, she wants to set things right. Mythal was said to be harsh, but very protective towards those she deemed to truly deserve protection. Flemeth seems to be of a similar mindset
Her world was betrayed,not this new one.
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