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[congokong]

I began suspecting this after Trespasser. He gives Inky quite a bit of knowledge regarding his intentions, including avoiding answering why other races must die to save the elves, suggesting that knowledge could stop him. Indeed, if Solas dislikes you he admits that he won't "give tools to use against him." And yet he saves the Inquisitor whether he likes them or not, despite knowing the threat they could pose in foiling his plans, and having already bloodied his hands quite a bit already.

 

So why does he do this? Solas says he owes the Inquisitor an explanation, but I wonder if there's more to it. Solas clearly has a conscience, and hates the position he's in. He feels obligated to "fix" his past mistakes and help the elves, yet doesn't want to be responsible for so many deaths. He can't just do nothing either. I think deep down he wants to die, as that would be the only way to release him from this burden, and saves the Inquisitor/educates them on his intent partially because of this. ...That, and he loves to talk.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

I think he is sincere when he says he would treasure being wrong again. So, yes, I do think he wants the Inquisitor to stop him but I'm pretty sure he feels certain that they can't, not by trying to kill him anyway. Perhaps he is wrong in his certainty, he has been wrong before. Maybe the only way to stop the Lord of Tricksters is to out maneuver him and his tricksy ways. It's weird how he has become a self-fulfilling prophecy when it comes to the Dalish legends.

The wanting to die part, I'm not so sure about. I realize he says in elven that he is on a suicide mission, but I don't think it means he wants to die, just that he has no hope of surviving success. 

[Abyss108]

Yup, he specifically says he would treasure being wrong, so he definitely wants to be stopped. He desperately wants you to prove him wrong, he just doesn't believe you can.

[Excella Gionne]

I see it as he is willing to give up his fight if the Inquisitor can prove him wrong once more, but it would have to be a very, very good reason. 

[congokong]

Keep in mind the "I'd treasure to be wrong again" part is only said if he actually likes you; probably because a friend Inquisitor has shown him the value of life in the current world. And yet even if he sees the current people as like a world of tranquil he still saves Inky and says many things he probably shouldn't.

[Mlady]

Keep in mind the "I'd treasure to be wrong again" part is only said if he actually likes you; probably because a friend Inquisitor has shown him the value of life in the current world. And yet even if he sees the current people as like a world of tranquil he still saves Inky and says many things he probably shouldn't.

 

I suspect that even disliked, he saves you in hopes you will stop him. He said your death would cause unnecessary pain and he will save you even though he doubts you'll thank him for it.

[congokong]

I suspect that even disliked, he saves you in hopes you will stop him. He said your death would cause unnecessary pain and he will save you even though he doubts you'll thank him for it.

The "unnecessary pain" part is what raises an eyebrow. Considering how far he's willing to take "ends justify the means," by his rationale letting the Inquisitor die to safeguard his goals seemed logical.

 

But as if to prove him right about not thanking him for saving you, it would have been funny in the war room if the Inquisitor complained, "That bastard took my arm!" before adding "And I'm going to pay him back ...by any means necessary" before putting down the blade on the map.

[Qun00]

If Solas didn't want to do it, he just wouldn't. It is obvious that he does desire to go all the way, even with the countless deaths.

However, he is partially conflicted so the answer to your question really is both Yes and No.

He hopes that the Inquisitor will find a satisfying alternative for what he wants. If not, then screw it.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Probably. I just wish he stops wasting everybody's time and consciously stops. 

[Reznore57]

He's the only one who can stop himself.

I mean as the Inquisitor you can be his friend/lover , you can put a Divine who opens up the clergy to elves , you can put Briala in power in Orlais , you can save the Sentinel and promise the power of the Well will be preserved etc etc...

In some cases he can see the people of Thedas getting united to fight a common foe .

I'm not sure what else you can do , restoring the ancient elves means changing the world deeply , it's not some isolated thing , it requires changing the nature of the world , jeez.

 

Maybe buying Solas a self help book about the power of letting go would do the trick , I'm kinda out of ideas.

[Gervaise]

To be honest he is a living paradox.   You ask him why the world has to be sacrificed and he says he doesn't want to tell you too much.   Then if you say you'll prove him wrong, he says he would treasure that.   Quite how you are meant to stop him by persuasion when he refuses to give you any hint as to why it is so essential to go through with his plan, is mind boggling.   Why couldn't at least give you a clue to go on if he wants you to stop him?    I think it is more of his patronising praise that he has used before without apparently being sincere.   Even if he thought you were incapable of stopping him, surely if he secretly hopes you will, he would point you in the right direction?

 

The declaration made by the Inquisitor at the end makes even less sense: how are we going to save Solas from himself when we have absolutely no idea what the pre-requisites are?  

 

For example, I have a theory that the reason he feels he has to reset the world is because of the Blight and red lyrium.   His original action was to stop it from rising up from the Deep Roads and now that it has, he feels its destruction of the world is inevitable.    So to get him to change his plan, you would have to show that it was possible to cure the Blight/remove red lyrium.     All he had to do was admit this was the reason for his action.    You have still then to come up with a way of proving you can stop its progress before he will abort his plan.     As it stands, you could spent futile effort on this because even if you could succeed in coming up with a way of curing the Taint, it might turn out this had nothing to do with why he had to do it. 

 

Alternatively, he could be under a geas from Mythal to go through with it.    So the way to stop him and save him would be to break the geas.    But to get anywhere you need to know.    If it was a case that he was not permitted to tell you, he could at least hint that was the case; not suggest that he didn't want to tell you too much.

 

I personally think it would be much easier to persuade him to stop than to kill him; since to do the latter you have to get near enough to him and that is nigh on impossible since he can petrify you with a thought as is a powerful dreamer, unless you can find an equally powerful dreamer to attack his mind in the Fade. 

 

If he wants you to stop him sub-consciously, that is no help at all since he isn't even aware of it himself.  

[Dancing_Dolphin]

To be honest he is a living paradox.   You ask him why the world has to be sacrificed and he says he doesn't want to tell you too much.   Then if you say you'll prove him wrong, he says he would treasure that.   Quite how you are meant to stop him by persuasion when he refuses to give you any hint as to why it is so essential to go through with his plan, is mind boggling.   Why couldn't at least give you a clue to go on if he wants you to stop him?   

Maybe part of the reason Solas doesn't tell the Inquisitor why the return of his people means the end of the Inquisitor's has to do with the devs wanting to keep some secrets for the next game. 

[Marika Haliwell]

Ok .. but who are his people? The ancient elves are all dead, right? So how he can restore a world if he doesn't have populace to put in it? ;o

[Zafireria]

Ok .. but who are his people? The ancient elves are all dead, right? So how he can restore a world if he doesn't have populace to put in it? ;o

I believe he trapped some of them in the veil as punishment. He could mean those, as he mention he had a plan for them.

[In Exile]

Ok .. but who are his people? The ancient elves are all dead, right? So how he can restore a world if he doesn't have populace to put in it? ;o

It's not like that exactly. Remember, the ancient elves weren't just a culture - they were different beings. Ageless, all mages, etc. That's what Solas wants to save. Even if they're all dead, he'll re-create then and the world he destroyed. It's all In Hushed Whispers.

[Qun00]

Ok .. but who are his people? The ancient elves are all dead, right? So how he can restore a world if he doesn't have populace to put in it? ;o

There are more ancient elves scattered around the world like those in Mythal's temple.

[Marika Haliwell]

Fair enough Thank you for replies.

[almasy87]

Yeah I'm pretty sure he wants to be stopped subconsciously. 
Why would he go through all the trouble of luring you to him and then tell you his plan if he didn't want? He could simply not have said anything and just have gone and done his thing. Sure it's because he wants to save you partially, but he does that also if you were not on good terms. So it can't be only that.

Even in the romance option, when you tell him your love can endure this, he says "I wish it could". So he does wish it was possible for him to stop. But for some reason it's not - and I don't think it's just because he has decided he needs to go on.. Cause you can always change your mind.
There must be something else we do not know or cannot at the moment see.

(For instance some people have a theory that he's bound to Mythal or something and as such he is forced to revenge her). While I don't 100% agree with that theory, I am sure there is something else we haven't been told..

Only time can tell sadly :<

[congokong]

Yeah I'm pretty sure he wants to be stopped subconsciously. 
Why would he go through all the trouble of luring you to him and then tell you his plan if he didn't want? He could simply not have said anything and just have gone and done his thing. Sure it's because he wants to save you partially, but he does that also if you were not on good terms. So it can't be only that.

Even in the romance option, when you tell him your love can endure this, he says "I wish it could". So he does wish it was possible for him to stop. But for some reason it's not - and I don't think it's just because he has decided he needs to go on.. Cause you can always change your mind.
There must be something else we do not know or cannot at the moment see.

(For instance some people have a theory that he's bound to Mythal or something and as such he is forced to revenge her). While I don't 100% agree with that theory, I am sure there is something else we haven't been told..

Only time can tell sadly :<

Personally, I don't think he's technically bound to keep going with his plan. I just think Solas feels compelled to, and I can see why. He created an artificial world where the fade is separated from people; among other things nerfing everyone's magical potential. Considering how much he loves magic he can't just sit back and let it continue. He'd never be content not working to restore the natural order, and would likely rather die than do so. Yet he doesn't want to kill people either. It's a lose/lose for him. The only way out is through death.

[Zafireria]

Yeah I'm pretty sure he wants to be stopped subconsciously. 
Why would he go through all the trouble of luring you to him and then tell you his plan if he didn't want? He could simply not have said anything and just have gone and done his thing. Sure it's because he wants to save you partially, but he does that also if you were not on good terms. So it can't be only that.

Even in the romance option, when you tell him your love can endure this, he says "I wish it could". So he does wish it was possible for him to stop. But for some reason it's not - and I don't think it's just because he has decided he needs to go on.. Cause you can always change your mind.
There must be something else we do not know or cannot at the moment see.

(For instance some people have a theory that he's bound to Mythal or something and as such he is forced to revenge her). While I don't 100% agree with that theory, I am sure there is something else we haven't been told..

Only time can tell sadly :<

 

I more think its because he feels a huge amount of guilt. Apparently him making the veil to imprison the people who murdered Mythal, he accidentally gave the ancient elves mortality and cut their strong connection to the fade. And he feels he needs to undo his "betrayal" towards them. I remember he had a conversation with Dorian about changing a wrong doing.

 

Dorian: Solas, for what it's worth, I'm sorry.

Dorian: The elven city of Arlathan sounds like a magical place, and for my ancestors to have destroyed it...

Solas: Dorian... hush.

Solas: Empires rise and fall. Arlathan was no more "innocent" than your own Tevinter in its time.

Solas: Your nostalgia for the ancient elves, however romanticized, is pointless.

Solas: If you wish to make amends for past transgressions, free the slaves of all races who live in Tevinter today.

Dorian: I... don't know that I can do that.

Solas: Then how sorry are you?

 

He says, then how sorry are you? He believes if you are sorry enough of the wrong that has been done, then you can change it. I think its guilt that drives him, and we need to help him deal with it in a none imma-smash-the-whole-world-because-i-feel-guilty thing. 

[almasy87]

Sure, and I can see this ...but then again why say "I will treasure the chance to be proved wrong"? 

It's a tad contradictory, because if you wish to be proved wrong it means you are not 100% sure that what you are doing is the best. So he goes on because he can't go back but at the same time it's like he's saying "Come and prove me wrong".
So yeah, it is possible he wants to be stopped in a corner of his scrambled egged brain

Or dunno To me it seems like that 

[Zafireria]

Sure, and I can see this ...but then again why say "I will treasure the chance to be proved wrong"? 

It's a tad contradictory, because if you wish to be proved wrong it means you are not 100% sure that what you are doing is the best. So he goes on because he can't go back but at the same time it's like he's saying "Come and prove me wrong".
So yeah, it is possible he wants to be stopped in a corner of his scrambled egged brain

Or dunno To me it seems like that 

 

He is driven by guilt to try and undo his doing. But by doing so he will destroy the world, I think he wants to have another option to undo it, but can't find one. So he feels he has to, but at the same time he isn't 100% sure its the right thing to do and therefore hopes you can prove to him that there is another way.

[DraftiestTrash]

He is driven by guilt to try and undo his doing. But by doing so he will destroy the world, I think he wants to have another option to undo it, but can't find one. So he feels he has to, but at the same time he isn't 100% sure its the right thing to do and therefore hopes you can prove to him that there is another way.

 

I have never read a more accurate wording of Solas struggle to be "Wrong Once Again" in this single sentence...Bravo!

[Sifr]

I don't think that Solas' guilt is born out of what he did to the Evanuris (as it seems to have been very justified and warranted), but because after seeing the world he had created, the state of magic and how spirits and the People have suffered, he came to realise that he'd acted rashly and let his emotions cloud his better judgment.

 

He likely told himself beforehand that he was creating the Veil to free the People from the Evanuris' grasp, whereas in reality, it was probably more about satisfying his desire for revenge for Mythal, as well as stroking his ego about just how clever he was to pull off such a massive feat.

 

I think that if he knew what the consequences the Veil would have been for the People, the sundering of magic and how they'd become nerfed as a species, he rationalised the loss as being worth it if it meant imprisoning the Evanuris for all time. Trespasser shows that he's reflected on this and come to realise that he screwed up and his attempt to free the People from suffering only caused them to suffer even more.

 

That being said, I don't think Solas wants to destroy the world if he can help it, he just feels that there is no other option available to him. If there was a third option that allowed him to return the People and/or magic to near/full strength but still keep the Evanuris locked away, he'd probably take it instead.