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[008Zulu]

Just looking for some offical response, or rumour, about the PC version of the game's install. Will it be digital only, or will there be a physical release? If so, how much of the game will be on the disc?

[AlanC9]

It's an interesting question. I keep thinking that this is the year PC discs are going away, but I haven't been right yet.

[008Zulu]

I am just curious because I am in Australia, and if you are outside one of the capital cities, it can be very difficult to find a decent Internet service. I also happen to know that Australia is not the only First World country to have this problem.

[wolfsite]

May be to soon to ask, but you would probably have a better chance of asking this to a developer on there twitter account, they tend to reply there more frequently.

 

Also be very specific as some games have had a "physical" release but the disc ended up only have a client installer and you still had to download the full game (Metal Gear Solid V, Battlefront)

[Shechinah]

Also be very specific as some games have had a "physical" release but the disc ended up only have a client installer and you still had to download the full game (Metal Gear Solid V, Battlefront)

 

I believe Fallout 4 was one such case as well which was a bit of bother to me.
 

[AlanC9]

Also be very specific as some games have had a "physical" release but the disc ended up only have a client installer and you still had to download the full game (Metal Gear Solid V, Battlefront)

I've never been able to figure out what the point of that is.

[LemurFromTheId]

I've never been able to figure out what the point of that is.

 

I thought it's rather obvious, really.

 

Physical copies on physical shelves in physical stores sell games. On the other hand, modern games don't easily fit on discs, they require patching soon after release anyway (for various reasons), companies gain tighter control over both customers (through registration etc.) and their own product (low resale value). And then there's the piracy excuse.

 

Sucks for consumers, of course. I haven't bought a physical copy since ME2, but I fully support proper physical releases.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, but why put a disc in the box rather than a slip of paper with a download code? Is the disc actually fooling anyone?

Actually, that's kind of how I bought ME3 on sale. I got something like the Blood Dragon Armor card from DA:O in the mail, except it was for the full game.

[LemurFromTheId]

Yeah, but why put a disc in the box rather than a slip of paper with a download code? Is the disc actually fooling anyone?

 

Honestly? I think it's still fooling quite a number of people.

 

There have been cases where there wasn't a disc in the box, only a download code, and there was backlash because of it (some editions of the new SW: Battlefront for example). Therefore we get pointless discs.

[rossler]

Digital downloads are the future.

 

Not just for games, but movies, music, etc.

 

I remember the days when games came in a big giant box the size of a phone book, but now it's all going digital.

[008Zulu]

All digital would be nice, but the Internet is only as fast as the slowest ISP . If size is an issue, they could put the game on a Blu Ray disc, like they do for PS4 and Xbox1.

[PCThug]

I hope it is all on the disc. The disc install of DA:I went so much faster than any game I've had to download.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

America has this internet problem as well. There are still towns with crap internet connections. Where your internet choices are satellite or dial up.

[SofaJockey]

Let's assume a 50GB install for sake of argument.

 

That's not going to fit on a DVD for PC users.

Would the game come with 8 disks? Seems unlikely.

There is simply not a Blu-Ray install base on PC to justify it.

 

So a physical disk increasingly becomes a gateway to a digital download.

Sure, the world is not bandwidth equal, but that's where the market is.

 

MGSV and Fallout 4 have pretty much shrugged shoulders at the issue, for example.

[008Zulu]

Konami and Bethesda showed they don't care.

[dragonflight288]

I'm curious if Bioware will avoid ripping content directly from the game and selling it as day one DLC. 

[LemurFromTheId]

I'm curious if Bioware will avoid ripping content directly from the game and selling it as day one DLC. 

 

My guess is that they will. Bioware has shown some effort in listening to fan feedback and not repeating the same mistakes (don't get me wrong, they still do that a lot) - the problem is that they keep making lots of new mistakes. DAI fixed much of the stuff that was wrong with DA2, ME3 got extended ending, ME3MP was a surprise hit and got a lot more DLC and support than anyone anticipated etc.

 

Similarly, EA has been trying to improve its reputation after the Worst Company fiasco, and that's going to affect Bioware too.

 

Bioware and EA took a lot of flak from the Day 1 DLC debacle, and I suspect they'll want to avoid repeating that.

[AlanC9]

Yeah, day one DLC causes too much butthurt. They'll be smart enough to just hold onto it for a few weeks and then sell it.

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's an interesting question. I keep thinking that this is the year PC discs are going away, but I haven't been right yet.

I started hoping it was true 10 years ago.

 

And then I saw Steam's version control tools, and hoped it would never happen.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Yeah, but why put a disc in the box rather than a slip of paper with a download code? Is the disc actually fooling anyone?

The disc is easier for people to use.  Put the disc in, Windows runs it automatically, and then the game is downloaded and installed.

 

Just this week I had to show a colleague how to move a file from one folder to another.  Some people just don't want to give technology any thought at all.

[rossler]

Let's assume a 50GB install for sake of argument.

 

They should give us the raw version of the game.

 

Some next gen games are up to 290 GB uncompressed, but they had to chop it down to fit on a BD-ROM disc.

 

I remember reading that the game took one day to copy a test build.

 

Sounds bigger than 50 GB.

[008Zulu]

Mass Effect 2 for the PC came on two DVDs. Multi DVD is not impossible.

[LemurFromTheId]

Mass Effect 2 for the PC came on two DVDs. Multi DVD is not impossible.

 

Certainly not impossible. Baldur's Gate came on 5 CDs (I still have those in a drawer within my hand's reach as I'm writing this), so Bioware even has history, but every additional DVD still makes it less likely that there'll be a complete physical release. 10 DVDs? Not looking good at all.

[008Zulu]

Arkham Knight came on 5 DVDs (it only installed 7gb, requiring a 35[?]gb download, despite the 5 DVDs being more than enough storage [dual layer disc is 8.5gb, 8.5x5=42.5] needed for the full game). It would have been close, but a 500mb-1gb download would be prefferable to a 35gb download.

[AlanC9]

Arkham Knight came on 5 DVDs (it only installed 7gb, requiring a 35[?]gb download, despite the 5 DVDs being more than enough storage [dual layer disc is 8.5gb, 8.5x5=42.5] needed for the full game). It would have been close, but a 500mb-1gb download would be prefferable to a 35gb download.

This sounds just plain crazy. Four of those discs were just straight-up money losers for the company, right?