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[sniper_arrow]

The topic says it all. Who did you choose to rule Orlais?

 

Celene? Gaspard? Briala? Celene/Briala? Briala/Gaspard?

 

Bonus question: who do you really want to rule Orlais, if not these three?

[thats1evildude]

Celene/Briala. I thought Celene was a good ruler, and I wanted to improve the lot of the elves. Reuniting those two achieved both ends.

[Melbella]

Either Celene alone or Celene/Briala. Never Gaspard, despite Teagan's claims otherwise. I hate all three equally, so status quo it is. Sometimes I force all 3 to work together just to troll them and keep them in check.

 

Bonus answer: Fairbanks, not that he'd want anything to do with it

[themikefest]

Celene

[dgcatanisiri]

Briala through Gaspard. No way I trust Celene to actually DO anything to help the elves, just focusing on upholding the status quo, perhaps with fancier balls, and getting her back together with Briala is sending Briala back into a toxic relationship. No thank you. At least with Briala as the power behind the throne, she's got the potential and ability to rein in Gaspard.

[SentinelMacDeath]

Gaspard, there are times when a country needs a strong military leader and Gaspard is just that. Still happy with the decision

[congokong]

It depends on my character. Deep down I just prefer Celene though ruling alone. She has her share of skeletons in the closet, but has advocated for peace in foreign policy. She also offers unconditional support to the Inquisition once Gaspard is defeated which I like. It seemingly doesn't have any notable strings attached either as, if you're thorough enough in your Winter Palace investigations, you learn she had already orchestrated a method of usurping Gaspard's coupe attempt that night at the Winter Palace.

 

I find the Briala/Celene reunion kind of nauseating (and stupid once you learn their backstory). I've had Briala ruling through Gaspard a few times; largely because it's funny. Gaspard ruling alone though? Never. I hate the guy for starting a civil war just because being a Grand Duke wasn't enough power for him. Couple that with his expansionist views that anyone who has ever read a history book knows is evil and never ends well for anyone.

[lynroy]

I had some Inquisitors force the threesome, some inquisitors had Celene alone, some inquisitors had Celene and Briala, some inquisitors had Gaspard, and some inquisitors had Briala holding Gaspard's leash.

 

I think a Mabari would be a perfect candidate to rule Orlais.

[KaiserShep]

Blackmailing all three of those jokers to work together. They deserve no less. 

[nightscrawl]

The topic says it all. Who did you choose to rule Orlais?

 

Celene? Gaspard? Briala? Celene/Briala? Briala/Gaspard?

 

Bonus question: who do you really want to rule Orlais, if not these three?

 

I chose the trio, and I make that an RP choice and my Inquisitor has certain reasons for it. He later feels it might have been a mistake, but there is nothing he can do about it after that point, so... /shrug.

[GoldenGail3]

Gaspard, there are times when a country needs a strong military leader and Gaspard is just that. Still happy with the decision

Funny that. I disliked him becuase he was going to attack Ferelden if he were leader. I'd rather pass on Ferelden being attacked by Orlais again. At least Celene will try to keep the peace between Ferelden and Orlais (don't you dare try to seduce King Alistair into an arranged marriage, he's already married to a woman he loves!) Yeah, I hate all three leaders, but I just can't make myself make Gaspard King, but I'm afraid Celene would try to posion my Cousland to get to Alistair.

[d1ta]

Celene with Briala.

I'm not sure I could put Gaspard on the throne.

An ex general tend to lead with an iron grip. While I do agree that they bring stability, but too much of that 'grip' will likely leads to oppression. Been in an era where an ex general refuses to step down from precidency even if the people have given him a 'gracefull way out to retire', but nooo... of course he wouldnt step down from the podium.
During his time, stability is a given because no one dares to argue. And you just don't mess with the military people, even from the lower rank and certainly not with the higher ups.

Gaspard + Chevaliers gives me that exact memory. What it feels like to be a regular civilian in a country where Military reigns supreme. Sure once upon a time that ex general was a hero to us. He was an awsome president for a time. Before too much power took control over his mind and his group started an Aristrocacy that seemed too impossible to shake off. They were just beyond reproach and untouchable by law.

[Master Warder Z_]

Gaspard alone usually.

Ultimately a easy choice.

[Patchwork]

Celene with Briala (although Trespasser makes me wonder if Briala is dead), the Grand Game is petty and stupid but it keeps Orlais attention inward which I prefer to Gaspard's expansionism. Being at Celene's side rather than pulling Caspard's strings means Briala has to take a slower approach to changing things for elves but that has a stronger chance of sticking rather than a lot of quick changes that humans will probably rebel openly, and in large numbers, about.  

 

Plus Gaspard wiggling out from under Briala's thumb seems inevitable and then we'd be left with very angry warmonger. 

[LorenzEffect]

I meant to get Celene and Briala together, but on my first try I didn't get enough of the prerequisite conditions so I ended up having Celene alone on the throne.

If it was an option, I would have preferred having Briala alone on the throne. Gaspard's a warmonger and Celene's relationship with Briala is not a healthy one. Or at the very least, I would have liked a "Celene and Briala rule together but are not a couple" option.

I really hate the Orlesian aristocracy. It reminds me of when I first played DA2, and I found myself agreeing with the Arishok and wishing I could help him take over Kirkwall. If I could do *absolutely anything* for that arc, I'd join the Red Jennies and help them bring down Orlais. But I suppose that wouldn't be terribly useful against Corypheus

[Abyss108]

Celene.

 

She seemed weak, and I was playing as an Elf who hated Shems. She didn't want to make Orlais more powerful incase they attack the elves again. She figured putting Celene on the throne would make Orlais stronger short term (no more infighting) to help fight Cory, but once things settled down, Celene wouldn't be able to keep hold of the throne by herself without Briala. The infighting would come back, and Orlais would be weaker long term.

[DarkSun09]

Briala through Gaspard. No way I trust Celene to actually DO anything to help the elves, just focusing on upholding the status quo, perhaps with fancier balls, and getting her back together with Briala is sending Briala back into a toxic relationship. No thank you. At least with Briala as the power behind the throne, she's got the potential and ability to rein in Gaspard.

I agree. Celene's a b*tch. She burned down an alienage and she threw her lover under the bus to save her own skin. Like... how despicable can a person be? With an ugly history like that between them, why would you reunite them? It makes no sense that Briala (or anyone) could forgive something like that just because the woman kept her locket. If she loved Briala (as the locket is supposed to indicate) and still betrayed her so horribly, what's to stop her from doing it again? Or doing something similar to you?

 

If you have Briala rules through Gaspard, things get a lot better for the elves in the alienages, and I cared more about helping them than making things easy for the idiots at Celene's court.  

[Gervaise]

Before Trespasser my favourite was Briala ruling through Gaspard.   I just loved the irony of a pair of elves (my Inquisitor is an elf) blackmailing a Chevalier and then holding his leash.    So long as I was in charge of a powerful Inquisition neither Gaspard, nor the rest of the nobility dared do anything about it.    Meanwhile I had also elevated Fairbanks to the nobility, so was looking after the ordinary human peasants as well.   Things were looking good and the alienage walls were coming down.   Unfortunately Trespasser ruined that dream; still I suppose 2 years wasn't a bad run in Orlesian terms.    Whether I kept the Inquisition going as a token peacekeeping force or totally disbanded it, Briala's days were going to be numbered, particularly now Solas had taken back the eluvians and undermined trust in elves generally.     Of course, if Gaspard was sensible he wouldn't punish either Briala or the elves as it would be playing into the Dread Wolf's hands, but whenever have nobles in Thedas shown common sense?

 

So in hindsight, Celene/Briala is probably the better option for the elves.   Since her reforms are likely more muted, there is less likely to be a backlash as a result.    I'm not too worried about the history between Celene and Briala because I don't feel their relationship is on the same terms as it was before.     Then Celene was using Briala knowing what she had done to her parents.   Now I feel Briala is using Celene and content to do so if it gets her what she wants.     At least both would be against Solas; I can't see Briala forgiving him for what he did to Felassan and so Celene would see the advantages of continuing selective reforms to keep the elves on side.    Mind you the epilogue suggests that elves are leaving to join Solas regardless of who is in charge.   

 

For a really subversive situation, I wouldn't mind going the whole hog with Vivienne engineering a coup.   Whilst I don't favour her as a Divine, I do think she is the Divine the nobles deserve.       Otherwise, I don't really see an alternative candidate for the throne of Orlais so long as it is ruled by the Game; I don't know enough about the rest of the nobility to suggest anyone else.    Fairbanks is good as a regional leader in the Dales but they'd never accept him as Emperor.    To  be honest, I really rather liked the Qunari idea of removing all the rulers in southern Thedas in one fell swoop; just not them stepping in and taking over.    A people's revolution would be a novel idea; my efforts on behalf of my clan have shown the way with the ruling council in Wycome.    Long live the republic!

[Qun00]

Briala through Gaspard. That way we have the possibility of change, at least.

Celene and Gaspard would just keep it the way it is. The only difference between them is that one likes subtlety while the other prefers to kill his enemies out in the open.

[Master Warder Z_]

Briala through Gaspard. That way we have the possibility of change, at least.

Celene and Gaspard would just keep it the way it is. The only difference between them is that one likes subtlety while the other prefers to kill his enemies out in the open.

Change?! Change is all I ever hear about, change for elves, change for mages, change for that bum in Kirkwall. Honestly, what's so horrible about this world for the PC.

Their either a Champion, a Warden or a Leader of a mercenary army...or a corpse. Either way life is sweet.

No need to rock the boat

[Ashagar]

I made them work together fully knowing they would go back to backstabbing each once the crisis is over.

[d1ta]

Change?! Change is all I ever hear about, change for elves, change for mages, change for that bum in Kirkwall. Honestly, what's so horrible about this world for the PC.

Their either a Champion, a Warden or a Leader of a mercenary army...or a corpse. Either way life is sweet.

No need to rock the boat

Sweet for you maybe, but to others?
Everyone is different. Not everyone likes vanilla ice cream, some would prefer matcha, chocolate, pistachio, cookies n cream or they'd prefer other types of desserts entirely.

So you prefer to stick with 'tradition' for several 'reasons', good for you. But others would find something that they don't like about 'current thedas' so why not change it?

Take Leliana as Divine for instance. She made so many radical changes in such a short time that really feels 'shocking', but I understand the appeal she carries for those who are not into human supremacy or those who wished more freedom for mages.
It's giving these '2nd class citizen' (for lack of better word) more voice to the already dominating non-mage human.

As for ruler of Orlais kinda thing..
You only need to read the many posts above as to why and to what some aspect of Orlais some players wanted to change to better fit their 'ideal world setting'.

As for me, I already state my reason why I cannot put Gaspard on the throne (due to very personal reason).
I fix Celene-Briala up there because I think Celene's too weak to govern on her own and needed Briala's support.
Other time, force all 3 of them to work together. They honestly deserve each other (although it leaves Orlais in a no better condition, i know)

[Shizukai]

Celene and Briala

Celene did a good job as a ruler and I really don't want chaos in Orlais for this would be very helpful

for Corypheus and his plans. Also, I wanted to support the rights of the elves. That's the reason I want

Briala in this. And yeah, I'm a god damn romantic.

[Jaison1986]

Blackmail. I'm fine with either Gaspard or Briala in charge, but blackmailing them all is more satisfactory. I'll be damned if I ever support Celene, or worse, reunite her with Briala.

[Master Warder Z_]

Sweet for you maybe

Aka the only person who matters yes.