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[thats1evildude]

Maybe not abusive, but without a doubt, utterly sick and repulsive. One that supports this kind of relationship might as well try to flirt with Howe as an Cousland.

I support what's best for the people of Orlais and Ferelden, including the elves.

[Master Warder Z_]

I support what's best for the people of Orlais and Ferelden, including the elves.

Fereldan? Elves?!

A backwater pisspot and a bunch deranged humans with pointy ears. Truly this is worthy of consideration.

[Qun00]

Change?! Change is all I ever hear about, change for elves, change for mages, change for that bum in Kirkwall. Honestly, what's so horrible about this world for the PC.
Their either a Champion, a Warden or a Leader of a mercenary army...or a corpse. Either way life is sweet.
No need to rock the boat

I just enjoy ****** with Orlais.

I support what's best for the people of Orlais and Ferelden, including the elves.

Working together, whether it is between Celene and Briala or all three, is just something that won't last.

[thats1evildude]

I disagree. An alliance between all three won't last. Celene/Briala is still going strong as of Trespasser.

[Anvos]

I still stand by Gaspard, enough is enough the orlesian games must end, and Celene has always reminded me too much of Hensalt from the Witcher games and it is a fitting end for her to go out like Hensalt can learning the hard way all her plotting and scheming means nothing if you don't survive your victory. 

 

Being a chevalier at heart Gaspard is somebody you can be fairly confident in how he will act and honor would compel him to stand by Tevintar against the Qunari and Solas' new elf peasant army if things actually got bad.  Also since you still get the peace conference with Ferelden with him honor would compel him to stand by it unless Ferelden strikes first.

 

Not to mention Orlais actions in Trespasser seem more natural with him as leader.

[Fredward]

Briala via Gaspie or Celene and Briala reunited. More the former than the latter.

[nightscrawl]

I think from the point of view of the Inquisition, Gaspard alone is a better choice. If he's not lying about who he is, then you've got a strong personal ally. If he is, his hold on power will always be a bit tenuous, and that's only good news for the Inquisition. A strong Orlais is bad for your future. Which ends up being irrelevant in Trespasser, but still.

 
It depends on your perspective. My Inquisitor is focused on the immediate threat and returning stability to the entire region. The Orlesian civil war didn't only affect Orlais, it likely had an impact on the surrounding nations as well due to refugees, trade interruptions, food shortages, and so on. Honestly, as soon as the Breach opened, all sides should have said, "Well, this looks really bad, perhaps we should stop fighting for a bit."

 

I wouldn't be against having Celene and Briala ruling together. Celene can reign in the nobles and their resources, which are needed and important. Briala only cares about the elves, and while there are valid and serious concerns, from reading TME a lot of it seems more about personal vendetta than a true concern by an elf for fellow elves. However, I don't like the implied renewal of the romantic relationship, but that is meta information and doesn't affect my Inquisitor's decision.

 

I keep Gaspard for several reasons. He dislikes the Game, so he is more willing to be a straight shooter regarding certain things. Even though I disagree with it, I appreciated his honesty about plans to continue expansionism and so on. He is a strong military leader, with a lot of experience, which is sorely needed during the current calamity.

 

And I have to admit, the one scene where I yank the bit in the mouths of all three is REALLY satisfying, because my guy is so disgusted by everything by that point. The dialogue and tone is just perfectly delivered for my Inquisitor and the way I RP him.

 

I've tried a bunch of different options and forcomg all 3 to work together is definitely my favourite.

It's what they should've been doing in the first place instead of playing their idiotic games whilst the world burns.

The Game is ridiculous. Let them learn a better way or let their infighting cause their system to crumble.

I might've been okay with Gaspard rule since he does destroy the game, but after what we learn in the dark future letting Celene die is an absolute no-no (yes I know in meta-game turna it makes no difference but it still seems a bonehead decision in-game).

While I agree, I think it is ultimately naive to think it will last, which is why my Inquisitor later on feels that it was a mistake. All three of them are too concerned with holding on to their own power, or acquiring more, that it is inevitable that the situation will eventually deteriorate and we'll be back where we started.

[Hazegurl]

Briala and Gaspard.  Two leashes is better than one.  I imagine making them both fight over it one day.

[Walter Black]

Fereldan? Elves?!

A backwater pisspot and a bunch deranged humans with pointy ears. Truly this is worthy of consideration.

 

And? Go back far enough and every great empire, both real and fictional, began as one "backwater pisspot" or another. This isn't to say that Fereldan will become a superpower- that's up to the writers- but to state that they never will makes as much sense as saying scavangers picking the remains of Arlathan or some barbarian cheiftain whose wife heard voices would never amount to anything.

 

As for the Elves, yes every fantasy race is some kind metaphor for aspects of humanity. Excepting that everyone has different levels of suspension of disbelief, Elves being a comepletely valid three demensional outlet (as well as the other non human races) in their own right is one of the basic tennents of the the Dragon Age universe. If you cannot accept fantastic elements in a fantasy setting, why bother investing time and energy in it?

[Ghost Gal]

Reluctantly, Briala/Celene. I wanted to crown Briala through Gaspard, but I think the only thing keeping him and the nobles from revolting is knowing she's backed by the Inquisition. After disbanding the Inquisition, her hold over him will be shaky.

 

I really wish I hadn't read The Masked Empire since knowing how sick, twisted, abusive, and imbalanced their relationship is makes me physically ill to put those two back together, but I support Briala way more than Celene or Gaspard, and I have to crown her through one of them, so I guess co-ruling through consent is better than puppeteering through blackmail. (Until Celene shows her true colors again and discards Briala and the elves when they become inconvenient to her rule.)

[sniper_arrow]

 
It depends on your perspective. My Inquisitor is focused on the immediate threat and returning stability to the entire region. The Orlesian civil war didn't only affect Orlais, it likely had an impact on the surrounding nations as well due to refugees, trade interruptions, food shortages, and so on. Honestly, as soon as the Breach opened, all sides should have said, "Well, this looks really bad, perhaps we should stop fighting for a bit."

 

I wouldn't be against having Celene and Briala ruling together. Celene can reign in the nobles and their resources, which are needed and important. Briala only cares about the elves, and while there are valid and serious concerns, from reading TME a lot of it seems more about personal vendetta than a true concern by an elf for fellow elves. However, I don't like the implied renewal of the romantic relationship, but that is meta information and doesn't affect my Inquisitor's decision.

 

I keep Gaspard for several reasons. He dislikes the Game, so he is more willing to be a straight shooter regarding certain things. Even though I disagree with it, I appreciated his honesty about plans to continue expansionism and so on. He is a strong military leader, with a lot of experience, which is sorely needed during the current calamity.

 

And I have to admit, the one scene where I yank the bit in the mouths of all three is REALLY satisfying, because my guy is so disgusted by everything by that point. The dialogue and tone is just perfectly delivered for my Inquisitor and the way I RP him.

 

While I agree, I think it is ultimately naive to think it will last, which is why my Inquisitor later on feels that it was a mistake. All three of them are too concerned with holding on to their own power, or acquiring more, that it is inevitable that the situation will eventually deteriorate and we'll be back where we started.

 

 
It depends on your perspective. My Inquisitor is focused on the immediate threat and returning stability to the entire region. The Orlesian civil war didn't only affect Orlais, it likely had an impact on the surrounding nations as well due to refugees, trade interruptions, food shortages, and so on. Honestly, as soon as the Breach opened, all sides should have said, "Well, this looks really bad, perhaps we should stop fighting for a bit."

 

I wouldn't be against having Celene and Briala ruling together. Celene can reign in the nobles and their resources, which are needed and important. Briala only cares about the elves, and while there are valid and serious concerns, from reading TME a lot of it seems more about personal vendetta than a true concern by an elf for fellow elves. However, I don't like the implied renewal of the romantic relationship, but that is meta information and doesn't affect my Inquisitor's decision.

 

I keep Gaspard for several reasons. He dislikes the Game, so he is more willing to be a straight shooter regarding certain things. Even though I disagree with it, I appreciated his honesty about plans to continue expansionism and so on. He is a strong military leader, with a lot of experience, which is sorely needed during the current calamity.

 

And I have to admit, the one scene where I yank the bit in the mouths of all three is REALLY satisfying, because my guy is so disgusted by everything by that point. The dialogue and tone is just perfectly delivered for my Inquisitor and the way I RP him.

 

While I agree, I think it is ultimately naive to think it will last, which is why my Inquisitor later on feels that it was a mistake. All three of them are too concerned with holding on to their own power, or acquiring more, that it is inevitable that the situation will eventually deteriorate and we'll be back where we started.

 

The tragedy here is that Orlais (at least its nobles) are deeply too concerned about the Game that it will ultimately destroy the country sooner or later, regardless of whoever holds the throne. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Briala and Gaspard. Two leashes is better than one. I imagine making them both fight over it one day.

I imagine Gaspard would have no objection to that.

[TK514]

I forced all three to work together.  If I do it over again, Gaspard.  I can't imagine ever choosing Celene alone or Briala with either, personally.

[Livi14]

I chose to reconcile Celene and Briala, I think it's by far the best ending for orlais. Their romantic relationship is definitely problematic, but it isn't the problem of the inquisition what they do in their spare time (imo). I am also fine with Gaspard's execution, the last thing Thedas needs is a hypocritical, warmongering jerk like him.

[Qun00]

I disagree. An alliance between all three won't last. Celene/Briala is still going strong as of Trespasser.

Two years isn't a long time. Besides, bringing them together just feels wrong.

"I've burned down an alienage full of your people! Oops, clumsy me! Let's hook up! I swear that I'm reeeaaally sorry."

I let Florianne stab her everytime.

[Master Warder Z_]

Two years isn't a long time. Besides, bringing them together just feels wrong.

"I've burned down an alienage full of your people! Oops, clumsy me! Let's hook up! I swear that I'm reeeaaally sorry."

I let Florianne stab her everytime.

Reminds me of BP from southpark

[Iakus]

Two years isn't a long time. Besides, bringing them together just feels wrong.

"I've burned down an alienage full of your people! Oops, clumsy me! Let's hook up! I swear that I'm reeeaaally sorry."

I let Florianne stab her everytime.

That's kinda metagaming isn't it?

 

Frankly, one of DAI's problems is unless you've read The Masked Empire, there's not a whole lot to get invested in any faction.

[kimgoold]

I reunite Celene and Briala. Gaspard is executed and Floriane is dead. I liked the idea of Briala blackmailing Gaspard but I saw him assassinating her to wriggle free and then being very vindictive towards the Inquisitor and all Elves. Celene would bring gradual change reining in Briala's impatience that would inevitably bring massive upheaval and outright killing spree's of the elves she's trying to help.

 

I agree that someone like Fairbanks would make an excellent ruler, but I hope hardened Divine Leliana makes the humans behave themselves. (like Briala with Gaspard)

[thats1evildude]

Two years isn't a long time. Besides, bringing them together just feels wrong.

"I've burned down an alienage full of your people! Oops, clumsy me! Let's hook up! I swear that I'm reeeaaally sorry."

Does it matter that Celene had no choice? That the elven rebellion was always going to end in a massacre? That Gaspard, in the same position, would have done far worse than burn one alienage?

They still love each other, or else it would take a lot more than Celene hanging on to some old elven trinket to reunite them.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Reluctantly, Briala/Celene. I wanted to crown Briala through Gaspard, but I think the only thing keeping him and the nobles from revolting is knowing she's backed by the Inquisition. After disbanding the Inquisition, her hold over him will be shaky.

 

I really wish I hadn't read The Masked Empire since knowing how sick, twisted, abusive, and imbalanced their relationship is makes me physically ill to put those two back together, but I support Briala way more than Celene or Gaspard, and I have to crown her through one of them, so I guess co-ruling through consent is better than puppeteering through blackmail. (Until Celene shows her true colors again and discards Briala and the elves when they become inconvenient to her rule.)

 

You mean immediately after the Exalted Council tells everyone that a super-elf plans to destroy all the other races in Thedas and rise elfkind back to their former selves. Oh, and that a bunch of elves from the famous Inquisition had proven to be spies said super-elf, so the same is probably true of many elves across Orlais...

 

Yeah, Briala is doomed no matter what you do. 

[Patchwork]

As much as possible I try not to meta game so my Inquisitor doesn't know the ins and outs of Celene and Briala's relationship. She finds an elven necklace in Celene's vault, pokes at the involved parties for further intel and decides to give Briala an opportunity for extra leverage by saying she helped discover Gaspard's intentions when in fact she did very little. If they get back together then that's their business. 

 

That Celene torched the Alienage is well known so my Lavellan doesn't care if Briala genuinely cares for Celene or not. She wants Briala to have the chance to better the lives of elves because as Inquisitor she feels duty bound to be even handed and think of what would be best for the world as a whole. She can't be the elven rights advocate she wishes she could be but she can help Briala out a bit. 

[Mlady]

I always blackmail all 3. If I am forced to play their "Game" I intended to win.

[Master Warder Z_]

You mean immediately after the Exalted Council tells everyone that a super-elf plans to destroy all the other races in Thedas and rise elfkind back to their former selves. Oh, and that a bunch of elves from the famous Inquisition had proven to be spies said super-elf, so the same is probably true of many elves across Orlais...

 

Yeah, Briala is doomed no matter what you do. 

 

And rightfully so.

 

Elves have no business meddling in the politics of the Empire.

[KCMeredith]

Celene, mostly because I dislike elves and don't trust Gaspard at all. 

[Korva]

Frankly, one of DAI's problems is unless you've read The Masked Empire, there's not a whole lot to get invested in any faction.

 

Yup. I was left with the odd impression that I was supposed to know and care more than I did, which made the whole thing fall rather flat. None of the three struck me as remotely trustworthy or sympathetic (Trespasser proves how true that is), and Celene and Briala gave me whiplash with how fast they went from being all but enemies to being creepily gushy-goo with each other. In the end I picked them anyway because it seemed to have at least the possibility for some social progress for the common people. That was pretty much my #1 concern during the game: making the lives of those who don't have power at least a little better. Gaspard is a chevalier, and going by what we've been told about them, all I can say is "good riddance filth". Having him sponsor our attendance squicked me out enough.