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[hoechlbear]

I don't know if you guys remember this interview, but here's what Mark Darrah and Mike Laidlaw had to say about dual protagonists. 

 

"I've always loved your games for their player progression and rpg elements. Another gameplay element I've often thought might be rather cool would be the use of multiple POV characters, similar to the series such as Game of Thrones or The Wheel of Time. Has Bioware ever considered allowing players to play as more than one party or central character?"

 

 

Mark Darrah: We have thought about different POV characters. We've toyed with it even (Leliana's song for DAO is kind of this) There are issues around player agency with doing this but it isn't off the table.

 

Mike Laidlaw: As to multiple protagonists? Absolutely fascinating and, yes, we have discussed it some. There are a lot of challenges in terms of helping the player identify with more than one created character, but it's a long way from impossible.

 

They have the advantage that we already played a game with the Inquisitor so people already identify with them to some degree.

[Iakus]

I don't know if you guys remember this interview, but here's what Mark Darrah and Mike Laidlaw had to say about dual protagonists. 

 

 

They have the advantage that we already played a game with the Inquisitor so people already identify with them to some degree.

The Inquisitor also has four different VAs.  That's a lot of zots fro a part-time protagonist.

 

If we ever do get dual protagonists, it will probably be something where we play as a companion for a time.  Think the Jekk'jekk Tarr where you're playing the Exile, Mira, Atton, etc at different points of the adventure.

[hoechlbear]

The Inquisitor also has four different VAs.  That's a lot of zots fro a part-time protagonist.

 

If we ever do get dual protagonists, it will probably be something where we play as a companion for a time.  Think the Jekk'jekk Tarr where you're playing the Exile, Mira, Atton, etc at different points of the adventure.

 

If the Inquisitor is a playable character in DA4, it will probably be something like Ciri in TW3. Meaning, you only take control of them in a few occasions and only for a few minutes at a time, probably during important moments concerning Solas, like when facing him in the end. Apart from that, the game would follow the new protagonist. That's how I see it happening if they go with the dual protagonist rout, because like you said, the Inquisitor can be of 4 different races and have 4 different voices, so I don't see Bioware giving the Inquisitor a lot of screen time if we also get a new protagonist.

 

I don't think they meant a companion because like Mike said "There are a lot of challenges in terms of helping the player identify with more than one created character" if it was a companion, then we would have no problem connecting to them. I think they really do mean two different characters created by the player.

[Nefla]

Ok guys, I'm going with a numbering system this time!

1) Preach. Also, I'm afraid that Bio spent most of its world building on Fereldan, an England expy, and everything else is stretched thin. Do they have more in mind for Tevinter than Minrathous?

 

2) I understand that it's hard to manage player expectations. If Bioware had killed off the Inquisitor there would be some fans who raged over that. And if they're left alive there are fans who want the Inquisitor to be retired and live happily ever after, or be the PC again, or any number of desires. I do wish that there was more of a time leap between games so that they don't feel so reliant on the previous games.

 

3) Very true. I don't think that new players should be catered to, especially in the fourth installment of a franchise. I'm just playing devil's advocate and thinking from an EA perspective on trying to gain new players and make the game as easy to understand as possible without playing previous games.

 

4) Well if a new PC ends up being an agent the Inquisitor recruits, there would be a mentor relationship that we could customize. Are we being blackmailed to help the Inquisition or else they'll turn us in to Tevinter templars? Have we been freed from slavery and are grateful and are happy to join the Inquisition's mission? Are we from the dwarven ambassadoria and Orzammar tasked us to track down Shaper Valta, and we need to work with the last person who saw her alive? I think there are multiple ways that we could have a strong relationship with a dual PC and it wouldn't have to be restricted to "underling happy to obey Inquisitor's orders." I realize this is very optimistic and probably more complicated than is realistic to implement.

 

5) Well hopefully DA4 will find a way to satisfy fans of the Inquisitor and new PCs (and/or dual PCs)

 
 6) If we do have Inquisitor as a PC, I would prefer a normal prosthetic instead of a magical construct or...shudder...Bianca's invention. Maybe there can be a subplot where we find upgrades to it, but honestly I'd prefer it just to be mundane and the Inquisitor has to learn to adapt to this new status.

 

7) True, it does loose a lot of the emotional connection, and Trespasser is polarizing and troubling in introducing this. I understand that Bio felt the need to wrap up the loose end of Solas' disappearance with the Inquisitor, and there wouldn't be an easy way to do so without a confrontation of his plans, or else Trespasser would be Witch Hunt 2.0. I am glad that we've learned more of his plans, I would have been p!ssed if he had a vague five minute cameo that didn't reveal anything and the IQ was just "lol k."  But it does introduce the trouble of pulling the Inquisitor into future plots against Solas. I'm not sure how they could have resolved it better.

 

8) Yeah I apologize for p!ssing in everyone's cornflakes and arguing against dissenting opinions, I realize I'm coming into a thread supporting the Inquisitor's return and naysaying it, which is not very positive. I don't disagree with a lot of what has been said here and can see that Trespasser can be interpreted in many ways. My view is what is most logical from a game development perspective, which isn't always going to be the same as most logical from a character and story perspective, unfortunately.

 

I get that people want to close the loop on the Inquisitor-Solas dynamic and will be disappointed if Trespasser isn't adequately followed up. I do hope DA4 finds a way to make the most number of people happy in a realistic and rewarding way. I think with as little information as we have right now, the dual PC idea is the best way to achieve this, but we'll learn more as development of the game increases.

1) I'm definitely afraid that Tevinter will be pretty much exactly the same as Ferelden and Kirkwall down to the culture and accents. Maybe with a few differently styled decorations here and there. I miss the effort they put into distinguishing each culture in DA:O. I feel like they don't care about world building anymore, only making "epic" scenes and trying to copy elements from other games. Since DA:O, Trespasser was the only time I felt that I was learning a lot of new and interesting lore about the world. Hope for the future?

 

2) They pretty much can't win with this formula they make the heroes too big and too powerful and then set the games too close together chronologically. That coupled with their need to keep inserting previous companions and adding a ton of cameos from previous games make the world feel small and makes you wonder why the previous hero isn't the one saving the world, but rather some new nobody.

 

3) I think a lot of companies make the mistake of underestimating their audience. If they make a great game, people will buy it and besides, you don't need to know every detail of the past game to enjoy the current one. If all else fails, lure them in with flashy advertising.

 

4) I think the last thing I'd want to be is an agent of the inquisition. I either want to be the inquisitor or have a new story with someone unrelated and be part of a slave uprising or something.

 

5) I feel like it's too polarizing, but then again those of us speculating online about the game before it's even announced are unusually passionate. I personally wouldn't buy the game if the inquisitor isn't the main protagonist and I know there are others who wouldn't buy it if the inquisitor WAS the protagonist but the majority of players probably won't care that much either way.

 

6) I'm thinking like a Captain Hook level device here. Both useful and a hindrance.

 

7) If they meant to wrap things up with Trespasser, they did the opposite >_< They could have left things as they were at the end of the base game with the inquisitor never knowing about Solas, they could have had the anchor become inert when the orb was destroyed and not needed to deal with it in a DLC. Instead they inspired me with potential and made me want to play DA4 (as the inquisitor). Before that I had no interest in it. I thought I was done with DA as a series after DA:I (another disappointing game to me) and hadn't played any of the other DLCs but I saw the trailers for Trespasser and thought it actually looked story heavy and like something I enjoy (it was) so I got it and look what happened to me >_<

 

8) As if cornflakes weren't bad enough on their own! I think DA4 will end up being another shallow game with a disjointed plot made up of a bunch of random tacked together and irrelevant quests. I think it won't flow as a story and will be short but with lots of grinding and fetch quests. I think roleplaying will be extremely limited and combat will be even more streamlined but tedious at the same time. I think there will be a new protagonist who has no connection to the Solas plotline and I thing Solas himself will just be another generic evil guy destroying the world and that the protagonist's motivation to stop him will be "he's trying to destroy the world." I think there will be a lot of tacked on cameos, returning companions, and book characters shoehorned in which rely entirely on you having played the previous games or read the books/comics they were in for any kind of personality or development. Almost no characterization will be given in game. The protagonist might even be limited to human again. That being said, I HOPE for something more and threads like this let me express that hope as well as my fears.

 

 

 

1) How is it a better and more personal story if everything you did to personalize it gets left at the side of the road?

 

 

2) ANd how about for everyone who played their Inquisitor in any way different from you?  All those details have to be accounted for too.  OR discarded so the writers can actually create something new and original. 

You know what could also be a great story with lots of character development?  A story about a new character who is sought out by the Inquisition (or even the Inquisitor) to be their instrument in stopping Solas.  

 

3)We already had the losing your status (sorta) losing an arm, and establishing a shadow organization.  It's called "Trespasser"  The Jedi order has already been founded.  Maybe next game we'll play a Jedi.

 

4) Of course it was sequel bait.  It's called a "stinger".  Marvel does it all the time with their movies.  Most recently with Ant-Man we got a stinger with Captain America, Falcon, and The Winter Soldier.  You know what?  I'm betting it was for the Next Captain America movie, not the next Ant-Man.

1) You're using "personal" to mean customized where as I'm using "a personal story" to mean a story closely impacting the lives of a person, close to the heart, significant to that person, etc...I'm not sure what customization or choices you think would be lost if the inquisitor was the protagonist of DA4 other than what's already been lost in Trespasser (which is the ability to have the inquisitor not care about Solas' actions and not vow to stop or redeem him)

 

2) What are you even talking about? Every single inquisitor vows to stop Solas. Every single inquisitor starts work against him in secret.

 

3)One cutscene in a basement of a handful of your friends plotting isn't the same thing as a shadow organization being formed. It's a start and has the potential to develop into that shadow organization/jedi order and that's something I want to see explored. I think the worst possible protagonist out of all choices is some generic inquisition grunt who just does all the same things the inquisitor would have done but without the personal stakes, history, etc...

 

4)Because Solas' story and the conflict that was set up in Trespasser is totally going to be concluded in the next Mass Effect or new IP right?

 

 

 

 

I would personally like an Inquisitor as the secondary PC and have his/her role primarily information gathering, strategy sessions, more of the leadership role we should have had in DAI instead of just another adventuring squad. Maybe the new PC needs some information that is only available to those In The Know or who can call in favors...enter the Inquisitor to track this down and allow the main PC to continue their work.

Sorry in advance for the heated reply, it's not directed at you personally but rather the idea (which I know is a popular one). I think this idea was the reason BioWare cut off the inquisitor's hand in the first place but here goes: Having the inquisitor relegated to crippled desk jockey makes my stomach turn. I would NEVER play a DA4 where this was the case. I feel like BioWare "crippled" the inquisitor in the first place so they could do just that, take them out of the fight because they're too helpless to defend themselves anymore. Like they assumed everyone would think "oh, well they obviously can't fight at all anymore so no point in asking to play them again." Probably to try and cut off any "bring back the Warden" mindsets. It makes me sick. It's especially frustrating to me when you consider the fact that whatever new protagonist will almost certainly start out as some low level bum with little to no combat experience. The extremely skilled fighter who took down one of the original darkspawn magisters lost one hand so they're helpless. Here, let's replace them with an apprentice blacksmith that practices with the swords on a dummy sometimes or better yet, a starved former slave with no fighting experience at all.  *biscuits burning intensely* 

[perfect_victime]

Been away playing SWTOR and a free copy of Jade Empire from Origin. So thought I would see if there was a patch or something I might have missed. Anyway back to the topic at hand here.

 

First: About the Warden. I hated being made a warden. I don't like the Wardens My opinion only I know. But I loved my DA:O characters. The beginning stories set that game up as a winner for me. But becoming a Warden was bleh. Come to find out the folks at Bioware never meant there to be a Warden story. Originally it was between Mages and Templers. They also said they didn't believe Dragon Age would be as big as it is. The passion of its fans. Which is a strange thing for them to think because fans are passionate about Bioware games going back to Baldur's Gate. Staggered like Sally Fields on stage; "You love me, you really love me." 

 

Second About Hawke. I am sure with hits like Mass Effect and the Witcher dancing in their stockings, they wanted to make a Shepard or a Geralt type protagonist for a huge story arc that would tie in a trilogy. So lets move past the Warden and make a fresh start within the budget; A Champion, An Inquisitor, A Usurper(made up name). Well we the people loved our Warden like fans loved FF7 (Cloud/Sephiroth) but the die was already cast. She was gone, Hawke lives. People had to hate this game there was no Warden. They didn't even allow you to choose a different race to play. Yes the shortcuts were tiresome, After the huge lay off of staff at Bioware during that time I think we are lucky to even have a DA:2 and a DA:I. Its all fun and games until someone looses a job.

 

Third About Inquisitor. After Mass Effect 3 ending Bioware didn't want another backlash of fans. Sadly this meant the Hawke trilogy was out so the player could have other races to play. I wonder if they had not bent to pressure how well a Hawke Inquisitor would have been received. Who would the player choose to remain in the fade; Their Warden or Their King? I am thinking Alistair would get it in the back.

 

Final note About Usurper of the Black City. Like Hawke the Inquisitor can't be the protagonist. Why? New players to the series would be confused by an armless hero. As well as would most players regardless of their need for whims. New Coke was better than Classic Coke. Life follows a cycle. Everything in its turn. The Child of Bhaal, Revan, Spirit Monk, The Warden, Hawke and the Inquisitor had their time in our hearts. Open them a new for the next chapter. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Oh no..... Bioware is like the only developer that makes realistic romances. I recently played Fallout 4 and the romancing was so poorly excuted, I thought my eyes were going to rot and fall off.

 

There have to be romances in DA4. At least as good as in DA3.

I'd say it was less "poorly executed" and more "barely executed" I liked what was there, there just wasn't a whole lot. But romances do seem to be Bioware's thing, for now. Though I'm glad other developers are trying do make it more of a standard. And while I think DA4 should have romances, I have to say I don't have much confidence in Bioware to make any options I'm actually interested in. That's a personal preference thing of course, not writing-quality. Because regardless of content-level, I liked my choices in FO4 a lot more than most of them in all of Bioware's games.

 

 
(Disclaimer, I haven't played FO4.) Bit of a digression here... but I watched a video of the entire Danse romance and was quite surprised at how one-sided most of the conversation seemed. He just talked and talked and talked, with the PC occasionally interjecting with a couple of lines. I suppose it's better when you play through the actual game and go through their quests and such, but I didn't really get that emotional connection from any of the cutscenes I saw.

But I think this is a first for that series? And they also did all bi (or playersexual?) romances, so that's a bonus. They get points for trying, I think, and perhaps the ones in FO5 will be even better.

Doing a lot of listening compared to talking is sort of par-for-the-course for RPGs, though I haven't romanced Danse specifically. And I'm really glad they elected to make the romances non-gated. I know not everyone shares that opinion, but I prefer that system since no player has to be disappointed. I mean, it's not like I got anything more out of Cullen's romance because he couldn't be romanced by male Quizzies, but all those players who would have loved to romance him as a guy get disappointed. And yeah, it's a new thing in Fallout, so it's expected they wouldn't be perfect.

 

I thought FO4 romances added a nice extra element. A definite step in the right direction if not the finished article. I also appreciated that they didn't stick in any needless gating to hinder roleplaying.

I agree. Sure, they don't have nearly as much content as Bioware romances, but it's a nice bonus, and helps flesh out your character(s). And as said above, I agree that gating would have been needless. Anyway, that's enough off-topic from me, sorry Though I did try to mention Dragon Age

 

 
 

Most of my playthroughs of DAI were completionist, so I became bored when accepting every quest/collection, as there was no variation. From what I've seen here, a lot of the players who didn't have as much of a problem with the Inquisitor's personality chose which side quests to perform, so they were developing the Inquisitor's personality by their choice of quests. This is a valid way of playing, but I am by nature a completionist for this type of game (especially Bioware games) so it's hard for me to do so.

It's the same for me. I have to do all the quests. I just have to! Hopefully DA4's sidequests can be declined and have variable outcomes. Not all of them of course, but most of them. I'd easily take 20 interesting quests over 100 non-variable quests with no dialogue.

 

Ok guys, I'm going with a numbering system this time!

 

4) Because Solas' story and the conflict that was set up in Trespasser is totally going to be concluded in the next Mass Effect or new IP right?

I know you're joking, but that would actually make me more likely to buy ME:A

[Iakus]

 

1) You're using "personal" to mean customized where as I'm using "a personal story" to mean a story closely impacting the lives of a person, close to the heart, significant to that person, etc...I'm not sure what customization or choices you think would be lost if the inquisitor was the protagonist of DA4 other than what's already been lost in Trespasser (which is the ability to have the inquisitor not care about Solas' actions and not vow to stop or redeem him)

 

And how would having a new protagonist not have this?  The Inquisitor wasn't Hawke, but seemed to have that kind of personal story you liked.  THis is just following in the tradition

 

 

 

2) What are you even talking about? Every single inquisitor vows to stop Solas. Every single inquisitor starts work against him in secret.

 

And every single inquisitor has made different choices in forming the Inquisition.  Did Dorian join the Inquisition?  Were you friends?  Lovers?  Simply coworkers?  Who, if anyone, did you romance?  Is the Inquisitor Human, elf, dwarf, or qunari?   Did the Inquisition disband or work for the Divine?  Did the Inquisitor vow to redeem or stop Solas?  These are just a few of the details I can think of that would have to be accounted for if the Inquisitor makes a return in any capacity in DA4.  There are likely many more I could come up with if I gave it more thought.

 

 

 

3)One cutscene in a basement of a handful of your friends plotting isn't the same thing as a shadow organization being formed. It's a start and has the potential to develop into that shadow organization/jedi order and that's something I want to see explored. I think the worst possible protagonist out of all choices is some generic inquisition grunt who just does all the same things the inquisitor would have done but without the personal stakes, history, etc...
 

Except it hints that the next protagonist won't be some Inquisition grunt, but a citizen of Tevinter.  Someone with no previous connection to the Inquisition.

 

 

4)Because Solas' story and the conflict that was set up in Trespasser is totally going to be concluded in the next Mass Effect or new IP right?

 

We don't even know if SOlas's story will be wrapped up in DA4.  There's this war flaring up between Tevinter and the Qunari that seems to be a more immediate threat

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We don't even know if SOlas's story will be wrapped up in DA4. 

Yes we do. Patrick Weekes said in a tweet that if they make another Dragon Age game it will wrap up Solas' story. 

[Rekkampum]

As long as the Inquisitor is involved to an extent and does have an integral role in resolving the conflict, I honestly don't care about whether they return as a Protagonist. Plotwise, given the circumstances, it does make sense for players to explore the story from a new perspective first to prepare for the final confrontation with Solas, especially since it's implied that it will take a while before Solas is ready to accomplish their task. But yes, as a person who is disabled, using their amputee status as justification really sets a bad precedent.

[Iakus]

Yes we do. Patrick Weekes said in a tweet that ifthey make another Dragon Age game it will wrap up Solas' story. 

I'll take your word for it, but I just went back through a month of posts on the Twitter thread and didn't see anything about that.

[greenbrownblue]

I'll take your word for it, but I just went back through a month of posts on the Twitter thread and didn't see anything about that.

I listened to that interview and Hanako is right. One story was divided to two parts. Which raised my hopes for bringing back the Inquisitor )) !

[Iakus]

I listened to that interview and Hanako is right. One story was divided to two parts. Which raised my hopes for bringing back the Inquisitor )) !

Wait, listened to an interview? Twitter?

 

Where is this information coming fro, exactly?

[Nefla]

And how would having a new protagonist not have this?  The Inquisitor wasn't Hawke, but seemed to have that kind of personal story you liked.  THis is just following in the tradition

 

And every single inquisitor has made different choices in forming the Inquisition.  Did Dorian join the Inquisition?  Were you friends?  Lovers?  Simply coworkers?  Who, if anyone, did you romance?  Is the Inquisitor Human, elf, dwarf, or qunari?   Did the Inquisition disband or work for the Divine?  Did the Inquisitor vow to redeem or stop Solas?  These are just a few of the details I can think of that would have to be accounted for if the Inquisitor makes a return in any capacity in DA4.  There are likely many more I could come up with if I gave it more thought.

 

Except it hints that the next protagonist won't be some Inquisition grunt, but a citizen of Tevinter.  Someone with no previous connection to the Inquisition.

 

 

We don't even know if SOlas's story will be wrapped up in DA4.  There's this war flaring up between Tevinter and the Qunari that seems to be a more immediate threat

-A new protagonist doesn't have the history with Solas, wasn't manipulated and betrayed by him, etc...DA:I was NOT a personal story by a long shot. It was the kind of generic "stop random evil wizard guy from destroying the world" that DA4 will be if we have a new and unconnected protagonist (and no the story wouldn't have been much better if Hawke was the inquisitor). The inquisitor had zero personal connection to Corypheus or any of the events that were taking place around him. I found DA:I to have a crappy story and I don't want that "tradition" to continue.

 

-Any romance could easily be accounted for through a letter sent from the LI like in awakening. The redeem vs kill and disband vs work for the Divine will have to be accounted for no matter who the protagonist is.

 

-The new protagonist is either going to be the inquisitor or some random Tevinter grunt that is recruited into the inquisition. That was clearly set up with the whole "we need to find people Solas doesn't know *stabs Tevinter on the map*" thing. Either the inquisitor is going to go undercover and work with new companions, OR the new protagonist is going to be doing the inquisition's work for them.

 

-I remember reading the same statement as Green and Hanako a few months back.

 

Anyway seeing as how you don't seem to understand anything I say we will just end up frustrating each other and this will be my last reply to you.

[nightscrawl]

The Inquisitor also has four different VAs.  That's a lot of zots fro a part-time protagonist.

 

If we ever do get dual protagonists, it will probably be something where we play as a companion for a time.  Think the Jekk'jekk Tarr where you're playing the Exile, Mira, Atton, etc at different points of the adventure.

 

I really wouldn't want the companion POV thing. I have no interest in it whatsoever. I have a PC that I role-play (not necessarily the Inquisitor, just a PC in general), and I want to play as that character. I never bothered with Leliana's Song or the Darkspawn Chronicles for this very reason.

 

I would have to REALLY like the NPC -- perhaps as much as I adore Dorian, my favorite follower to date -- in order to even be remotely interested in playing someone that was not my own PC. And if I didn't like the person that much, the only way I would likely do so would be if there is some pivotal plot information relating to the main game, or I didn't have a choice as part of the primary game.

[AresKeith]

Wait, listened to an interview? Twitter?

 

Where is this information coming fro, exactly?

 

I think it was a David Gaider interview that says the whole story was divided into 2 parts

[Iakus]

-A new protagonist doesn't have the history with Solas, wasn't manipulated and betrayed by him, etc...DA:I was NOT a personal story by a long shot. It was the kind of generic "stop random evil wizard guy from destroying the world" that DA4 will be if we have a new and unconnected protagonist (and no the story wouldn't have been much better if Hawke was the inquisitor). The inquisitor had zero personal connection to Corypheus or any of the events that were taking place around him. I found DA:I to have a crappy story and I don't want that "tradition" to continue.

 

And yet you want DA4 to be DAI: Part 2...

 

 

 

-Any romance could easily be accounted for through a letter sent from the LI like in awakening. The redeem vs kill and disband vs work for the Divine will have to be accounted for no matter who the protagonist is.

Do you have any idea what level of fecal matter would fly if the Inquisitor's romance was reduced to a letter?  Let me give you a hint:  look at the Ash/Kaidan/Liara romancers reaction to ME2.  Or all the ME2 romances reaction to ME3.

 

And they will have to go more in depth with the Inquistions' function if you are the one running it instead of someone working alongside them.

 

 

 

 

-The new protagonist is either going to be the inquisitor or some random Tevinter grunt that is recruited into the inquisition. That was clearly set up with the whole "we need to find people Solas doesn't know *stabs Tevinter on the map*" thing. Either the inquisitor is going to go undercover and work with new companions, OR the new protagonist is going to be doing the inquisition's work for them.
 

"random Tevinter grunt" sure makes it sound like you've already made up your mind.  Especially given the Inquisitor started out as "some random Marcher grunt"

 

 

 

-I remember reading the same statement as Green and Hanako a few months back.
Anyway seeing as how you don't seem to understand anything I say we will just end up frustrating each other and this will be my last reply to you.

 

Your call.  Bust I really don't get this obsession with playing the same character over and over again.  Even though it's been going on since people found out they wouldn't be playing the HoF in DA2

[BansheeOwnage]

And yet you want DA4 to be DAI: Part 2...

 

Do you have any idea what level of fecal matter would fly if the Inquisitor's romance was reduced to a letter?  Let me give you a hint:  look at the Ash/Kaidan/Liara romancers reaction to ME2.  Or all the ME2 romances reaction to ME3.

You're basically saying they shouldn't do something because they've failed at doing it well in the past. I mean, my confidence in Bioware isn't very high, but I'm always for them or anyone else trying harder the next time instead of just giving up.

 

 

"random Tevinter grunt" sure makes it sound like you've already made up your mind.  Especially given the Inquisitor started out as "some random Marcher grunt"

 

Your call.  Bust I really don't get this obsession with playing the same character over and over again.  Even though it's been going on since people found out they wouldn't be playing the HoF in DA2

I don't want to speak absolutely for others, but I think Nefla and many others are tired of the "Rise to (pretty crazy levels of) power" gimmick. They'd rather continue playing as someone who already did that. If you do it too much, it loses impact, meaning, interest.

 

Which is part of the answer to your second line there. You don't have to understand why some people like recurring protagonists. I don't have to understand why people prefer new ones each iteration. It's just personal preference. But I don't think anyone's wrong for wanting different things.

[greenbrownblue]

Wait, listened to an interview? Twitter?

 

Where is this information coming fro, exactly?

One of the user actually paste a link under this topic. It was from YT.

[AresKeith]

You're basically saying they shouldn't do something because they've failed at doing it well in the past. I mean, my confidence in Bioware isn't very high, but I'm always for them or anyone else trying harder the next time instead of just giving up.

 

The only real problem is that it's gonna take a lot of resources to juggle both past and new romance options for a single protagonist and there's only so much Bioware can put into the romance content to do it justice

[Abyss108]

For a lot of people its not that they specifically prefer a recurring protagonist, its that they feel this game in particular was only the first half of one story. It's not hard to see why, when Bioware themselves even confirmed that was the case.

 

I love getting a new protagonist each game, but still want the Inquisitor for DA4. I've never wanted a returning protagonist for any other game, and don't want it to happen again afterwards.

[wright1978]

Personally i hope the inquisitor is brutally killed in the intro.

[hoechlbear]

Personally i hope the inquisitor is brutally killed in the intro.

 

I would prefer if there was an option for the Inquisitor to die in Trespasser and if Bioware didn't make it sound like there's a chance they would come back in DA4 because I'm fairly positive that won't happen. If it does, it will be the dual protagonists thing, but I honestly don't think we will have the Inquisitor as the sole protagonist of DA4, as much as some people are hoping for it. And these theories and requests threads with petitions and whatnot will continue until they confirm it or deny it. Sigh.. 2016 is going to be a long year...

 

 

 

 

I don't want to speak absolutely for others, but I think Nefla and many others are tired of the "Rise to (pretty crazy levels of) power" gimmick. They'd rather continue playing as someone who already did that. If you do it too much, it loses impact, meaning, interest.

 

We have no idea how DA4 will be. Why are people already assuming the new protagonist will "rise to pretty crazy levels of power"? The Inquisitor never really rose to power though, because we never saw them before the anchor, we never met them before they were famous. They were famous the minute DAI started. Now that is what I hate and I don't think Bioware will do it again because honestly, you can't be more known and powerful like the Inquisitor was. The warden was never a famous person until the very end. Hawke "earned" their title gradually too, only on the third act they are considered as the champion. Only the Inquisitor didn't earn anything, it was given to them on day 1. That's one of the reasons why I want to have another opportunity to play as a character that starts out as a nobody and if they really need to be famous, then I want it to be gradually or for it to happen only at the of the game. The Inquisitor will always be known and if they are the protagonist, they will turn out to be a hero once again because someone is going to have to stop Solas. That's how games works, you always play as the hero.

[Nefla]

We have no idea how DA4 will be. Why are people already assuming the new protagonist will "rise to pretty crazy levels of power"? The Inquisitor never really rose to power though, because we never saw them before the anchor, we never met them before they were famous. They were famous the minute DAI started. Now that is what I hate and I don't think Bioware will do it again because honestly, you can't be more known and powerful like the Inquisitor was. The warden was never a famous person until the very end. Hawke "earned" their title gradually too, only on the third act they are considered as the champion. Only the Inquisitor didn't earn anything, it was given to them on day 1. That's one of the reasons why I want to have another opportunity to play as a character that starts out as a nobody and if they really need to be famous, then I want it to be gradually or for it to happen only at the of the game. The Inquisitor will always be known and if they are the protagonist, they will turn out to be a hero once again because someone is going to have to stop Solas. That's how games works, you always play as the hero.

People assume the new protagonist will "rise to crazy levels of power" because it's going to be another "save the world from destruction" story and the antagonist has "crazy levels of power." How else are you going to defeat him? Brilliant strategy? Yeah right like BioWare will write that. You know we're going to bludgeon him with brute force. There are already way too many famous, uber powerful world saving heroes in Thedas at one time, we really don't need another one. I doubt DA4 is going to have a smaller scale, especially after they set Solas up as the next world killing villain.

 

Personally i hope the inquisitor is brutally killed in the intro.

Better that than have BioWare show us that they think someone who has lost one hand is now useless, helpless, and will mope around in a wheelchair all day giving quests to some nobody.

[Iakus]

You're basically saying they shouldn't do something because they've failed at doing it well in the past. I mean, my confidence in Bioware isn't very high, but I'm always for them or anyone else trying harder the next time instead of just giving up.

 

I'm actually saying that it's more trouble than it's worth.  And in fact it's something that they never really intended to do in the first place.  Each game is a different story, with overlap in the cast of characters, 

 

Romances are just one example of how the amount of zots going into bringing back a protagonist is just going to leave veteran players alienated and angry.  Since they will want to cater to new players as well.

 

 

 

I don't want to speak absolutely for others, but I think Nefla and many others are tired of the "Rise to (pretty crazy levels of) power" gimmick. They'd rather continue playing as someone who already did that. If you do it too much, it loses impact, meaning, interest.

Which is part of the answer to your second line there. You don't have to understand why some people like recurring protagonists. I don't have to understand why people prefer new ones each iteration. It's just personal preference. But I don't think anyone's wrong for wanting different things.

 

What I don't understand is every single iteration of Dragon Age has the same argument "We want X back!"

 

DAO to Dragon AGe 2:  "We want the Warden back!  Hawke sucks!  Hawke's a failure!  Hawke's a nobody"

DA2-DAI:  "We want Hawke back!  It's Hawke's destiny to be the Inquisitor!  Who is this upstart nobody, anyway?"

DAI-Da4: "We want the Inquisitor back!  The story's not done!  We don't want to play some nobody with no connection to Solas!"

 

I guess we should give the team credit for living up to the phrase "Always leave the audience wanting more"   

[Iakus]

Personally i hope the inquisitor is brutally killed in the intro.

I wouldn't go that far.

 

I would, not object, however, to advancing the timeline to a point where al our previous characters are too old to go adventuring anymore.

 

But then I suppose there'd be the crowd declaring they'd use blood magic/Avernus's experiments to lengthen their lives.