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[jtav]

As the title says. I'm trying to get a canon run together. Female dwarf and I have strong feelings about that. So it's essentially Blackwall or nobody. I have no issue with his past and I love a good redemption tale. But when I try to romance him I feel like a bit of a schmuck because of the lying. So, is it worth it? Just reading his Trespasser epilogue makes me cry and I feel incomplete without romance.

[Forsythia77]

Personally, I find his romance lacking.  I'd have her go Bull, Sera or Josie before Blackwall, but that's because Dour McSads is one of my least favorite companions. 

[Pokemario]

I love Blackwall's romance arc, I definitely think it's worth it.

[Dabrikishaw]

Odd question considering your avatar. If you don't want to romance him, then don't force yourself to.

[Iakus]

I'd say go for it if that's what you want.

 

Rather than feeling like schmuck about his lying, think of it as him wanting to be a better person than he thinks he can be.  So he tries to remake himself into someone he'd rather be.  he's not so much lying to the Inquisitor as to himself.

[congokong]

You could always romance him and then end it at the point of his treachery reveal. That happens pretty late in the game anyway.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So you're fine with the fact he butchered a family for gold then left the men he lied to about the mission as scapegoats to save his own neck, but him lying is what has you apprehensive about romancing him? 

 

If you want a happy ending with him as an LI, choose letting him be his own man during his judgement rather than sent to the Wardens or keeping him as a conscript. 

[jtav]

So you're fine with the fact he butchered a family for gold then left the men he lied to about the mission as scapegoats to save his own neck, but him lying is what has you apprehensive about romancing him? 
 
If you want a happy ending with him as an LI, choose letting him be his own man during his judgement rather than sent to the Wardens or keeping him as a conscript.

I tend towards the politically liberal IRL, I'm playing a Cadash and this is a series where every other LI is a murderer or worse. But I have this thing about being played for a fool. Especially after Anders.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I tend towards the politically liberal IRL, I'm playing a Cadash and this is a series where every other LI is a murderer or worse. But I have this thing about being played for a fool. Especially after Anders.

So liberals support murder of political rivals and their families? 

 

Not every LI is. Josephine has a kill count of 1, and that was both accidental and in self-defense so is as far from murder as possible. Cassandra has killed, but there is no evidence any of those were murders. Same with Cullen and arguably The Iron Bull. Dorian hasn't yet, though does plan to. Rainier, Sera, and Solas are the only ones who are confirmed murderers. 

 

You don't have to sleep with him for the romance to reach that point. You can just have a drink with him at the bar and it still counts. 

[Iakus]

So you're fine with the fact he butchered a family for gold then left the men he lied to about the mission as scapegoats to save his own neck, but him lying is what has you apprehensive about romancing him? 

 

 

And that choice deeply haunts him, and he'd probably have killed himself long before this point if he didn't feel he owed it to the real Blackwall to keep him and his legacy alive to some degree.

[Iakus]

So liberals support murder of political rivals and their families? 

 

Not every LI is. Josephine has a kill count of 1, and that was both accidental and in self-defense so is as far from murder as possible. Cassandra has killed, but there is no evidence any of those were murders. Same with Cullen and arguably The Iron Bull. Dorian hasn't yet, though does plan to. Rainier, Sera, and Solas are the only ones who are confirmed murderers. 

 

You don't have to sleep with him for the romance to reach that point. You can just have a drink with him at the bar and it still counts. 

Leliana was an accomplished bard with more than a few kills and ruined lives in her past.

 

Zeveran is an unapologetic assassin.

 

Morrigan is, well, Morrigan

 

Isabela is a pirate

 

Fenris was Danarius's personal killer, and continued a sort of vigilante lifestyle even after leaving that life.

 

Then of course, there's Anders...

 

Heck even Sebastian funded what could be argued as a murder spree on the mercenary company that killed his family.

 

LIs with skeletons in their closets are more common than not in Dragon Age.  Some regret their choices.  Some don't.  The question becomes, whether you think they are worthy of forgiveness

[Carmen_Willow]

I tend towards the politically liberal IRL, I'm playing a Cadash and this is a series where every other LI is a murderer or worse. But I have this thing about being played for a fool. Especially after Anders.

Anders was a big WTH? At least you got to stick it to him, literally.

[thats1evildude]

It's not like the Dwarfquisitor hasn't done a lot of shitty things in her past. Remember, your funny story is at the card table involves trying to squeeze protection money out of an old lady.

[Master Warder Z_]

It's not like the Dwarfquisitor hasn't done a lot of shitty things in her past. Your funny story is at the card table involves trying to squeeze protection money out of an old lady.

Really all of the PC's save human had prior scummy lives

[Andraste_Reborn]

Blackwall is my favourite Inquisition romance (so far - still haven't played Cullen, Cassandra or Bull) and I think he's a really good match for Cadash given her probable history with the Carta. He was certainly a good match for my Cadash.

 

However, it's not like you can't go for Bull, Sera or Josephine if you're not feeling it. Female dwarves don't have as many options as female elves, but it's not like it's actually 'Blackwall or nothing'.

[berelinde]

Look, you don't like the guy. It doesn't matter why you don't like the guy, you just don't. Unless you really enjoy trolling yourself, or unless you're really looking forward to that burn of self-righteous rage his dishonesty causes you, give it a pass. Personally, I find that the reasons for lying matter more than the actual falsehood, but you're the one who has to live with your character's decisions.

 

Rainier took someone else's identity because he believed that he deserved to die and Blackwall deserved to live. He couldn't bring Blackwall back from the dead, so this was the best he could do. Rainier himself believed that he deserved to die alone and forgotten, so that's what he did, as close as he could get.

[Dancing_Dolphin]

I romanced Sera with my female dwarf. I think Blackwall will be the only character I never romance, he just depresses the heck out of me. This game is too long to spend it feeling depressed. Sera is fun and you can get married at the end, and that was heartwarming.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Leliana was an accomplished bard with more than a few kills and ruined lives in her past.

 

Zeveran is an unapologetic assassin.

 

Morrigan is, well, Morrigan

 

Isabela is a pirate

 

Fenris was Danarius's personal killer, and continued a sort of vigilante lifestyle even after leaving that life.

 

Then of course, there's Anders...

 

Heck even Sebastian funded what could be argued as a murder spree on the mercenary company that killed his family.

 

LIs with skeletons in their closets are more common than not in Dragon Age.  Some regret their choices.  Some don't.  The question becomes, whether you think they are worthy of forgiveness

I misread and thought they were speaking of DAI specifically, not the DA franchise as a whole. My apologies. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Personally, I think no romance is better than a bad romance, or probably one you're unsure about. But that's just me, and I can't really answer your question because I'd never romance Blackwall. I give him the chance to redeem himself because he'll do more good alive than dead, but I'd never romance someone like that.

 

Go with your gut. If he's iffy, I'd say don't bother.

[Bugsie]

One way to possibly look at it - Cadash is no angel, they would likely be playing people for schmucks all the time as part of their simply being part of the Carta, this is maybe a sort of Karma for them? To fall for someone who is also a liar? A lot of my fellow Blackwall fans have romanced him with a Cadash, and in so many ways it fits (even if I personally didn't romance him with my Cadash.)

 

I don't know what to say, if you're really struggling to justify romancing him (this has not been the first time I've seen you deliberate over this) then perhaps the romance really isn't for you and maybe romancing nobody is the best option for this particular canon run?

[ComedicSociopathy]

As the title says. I'm trying to get a canon run together. Female dwarf and I have strong feelings about that. So it's essentially Blackwall or nobody. I have no issue with his past and I love a good redemption tale. But when I try to romance him I feel like a bit of a schmuck because of the lying. So, is it worth it? Just reading his Trespasser epilogue makes me cry and I feel incomplete without romance.

 

Flip a coin. Pretty much how I make most of the major choices in Inquisition. 

[congokong]

Personally, I think no romance is better than a bad romance, or probably one you're unsure about. But that's just me, and I can't really answer your question because I'd never romance Blackwall. I give him the chance to redeem himself because he'll do more good alive than dead, but I'd never romance someone like that.

 

Go with your gut. If he's iffy, I'd say don't bother.

Yeah, I doubt I'd ever romance Blackwall. Even before his treachery reveal I just didn't like him much; partially because he's full of hypocrisies. Ex: Scorning nobles yet serving them (and killing for them as we later learn), being against conscription yet being pro-Grey Warden, treating Dorian like crap for being noble yet acting like a wounded puppy desperate for Vivienne's (!) approval, etc.

 

He's at the very bottom of likely romances, even lower than Josephine, whom I have nothing against except for not being a companion and having very poor romance content. It's also kind of hard to believe she'd romance a non-human and/or female Inquisitor considering her dutiful nature to family. I'll also sadly likely never try a Dorian or Cassandra romance since I can only get into female characters so far, but I'd prefer them over Blackwall/Josephine.

 

One of the few things I like about Blackwall though is he's one of the few non-mage characters that's pro-mage freedom, even though not very vocal about it. Most are too fearful of magic to suggest such.

 

As for your suggestion to the OP, if the romance is going to irritate you then best avoid it. Sad that the OP feels Blackwall is the only romance they can get into for their canon.

[Qun00]

I think the game made the decision too easy by mentioning that Rainier didn't know that there were children and family there.

They should've allowed it to be more morally conflicting by telling us he knew everything and did it anyway.

Yeah, I doubt I'd ever romance Blackwall. Even before his treachery reveal I just didn't like him much; partially because he's full of hypocrisies. Ex: Scorning nobles yet serving them (and killing for them as we later learn), being against conscription yet being pro-Grey Warden, treating Dorian like crap for being noble yet acting like a wounded puppy desperate for Vivienne's (!) approval, etc.
 

I don't see it.

Blackwall: You must miss the comforts of your mansions, traveling with us as you do.
Vivienne: I miss them. I do not require them.
Vivienne: But please, continue to imagine me a pampered lady, if it makes you feel superior.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Yeah, I doubt I'd ever romance Blackwall. Even before his treachery reveal I just didn't like him much; partially because he's full of hypocrisies. Ex: Scorning nobles yet serving them (and killing for them as we later learn), being against conscription yet being pro-Grey Warden, being blindly pro-Grey Warden in general, treating Dorian like crap for being noble yet acting like a wounded puppy desperate for Vivienne's (!) approval, etc.

 

In Blackwall's defense, he admits that while he doesn't like nobility (which was probably a consequence of his backstory) he understands that its better to be on their good side. He's not actually blindingly pro-Grey Warden, in fact, he constantly mentions how the **** everything not related to the Blight mentality is problematic and that the Wardens should be more involved with helping people in general. Dorian treats Blackwall like crap as well, that said, Blackwall seems to be instigator in that relationship. Hard to tell. I'd probably want to know why someone I have to work with seems to hate for seemingly no reason as well. Also, Vivienne technically isn't a noble. 

[d1ta]

Looking at past LI's.. I dont think Blackwall has the 'worst' of it. We have an assassin who certainly have no problem in killing any target, a former bard whose done questionable things, a pirate and so forth.
Difference is, they were up front about it (and perhaps needs the PC's hand in 'guiding' them through) as for BW, he already knew what he did was wrong and try to work it out long before he met the PC. His way from atonement is faaaaarrrr from perfect (or even 'okay' tbh) but it's the best he can do at his given condition (state of mind) back then.
He didn't have the PC's guiding hand to kinda tell him what to do, he only had the real Blackwall and after the dude dies, he sorta stumbles in the dark trying. He 'tried' and kept on 'trying'.

He may be getting a bit comfortable playing 'Blackwall' after a while. The suffering of his men escaped his mind (maybe there's a tiny voice inside there whispering and hoping that they manage to escape somewhere somehow and try his best to sweep that lingering uncomfortable thought under the rug). And by the time he met you, I guess he just doesn't know how to come clean after living with someone else's identity for a long time.
And when he has that choice of staying quiet and let his ex subordinate die, he turns himself in, publicly. Didn't even bother to try invoke the rite of conscription either, that could ultimately save both his life and reputation along with his ex subordinate (at which from the gesture of the Orlesian guard, seems like he was kinda expecting that RoC and begrudgingly have to let his prisoner go. I caught it from his tone when he says, "A Greywarden" to fake Blackwall)

All in all, if you're still iffy about him murdering the Calliers, that is a (trully) valid reason for not wanting to jump into a romance mode with the guy.
But same reason could be applied too for IB, only difference is we didn't get to see / hear something from the surviving wounded party (he IS a Ben Hasrath under mercenary cover and he admits openly that he enjoys killing)

But if it trully is 'only' about the lying aspect that's bugging you, .. well, cant say that lying is worse than muder, I suppose? ^^'

All in all, try to give it a go and have a feel what his romance feels like. If it's not to your liking, there is always the heartbreak icon and you dont have to wait long until his revelation to utilise said button