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[Commander Felos]

In trespasser we learned that some mages were the leaders of arlathan, even gods. We do know some mages had less powerful positions like arcane warrior bodyguards.  How were warriors and rogues treated in arlathan? Was it like tevinter? 

[ComedicSociopathy]

I'm not even sure there were non-mages in Arlathan, all elves seemed inherently magically. That said, Solas does compare Arlathan to Tevinter a lot, so possibly. 

[Abyss108]

All elves were mages before the Veil was put up. It was "as natural as breathing" as Solas says.

[Gervaise]

All elves were mages but not all mages were equal; just as in Tevinter or any Circle, mages have different abilities and the strongest tend to rise to the top.   So there were the evanuris (Magisters), their priesthood, lesser nobles and the servants.  It is not clear if the vallaslin were purely slave markings (as Solas says) or simply to indicate to which god your offered allegiance and were thus effectively bound to follow their will (as Abelas is to Mythal and yet seems free to leave when he is released from that service).    Slaves would seem to suggest bound against your will, whereas bonded could indicate a freely made decision (like when the rebel mages decided to indenture themselves to Tevinter).

 

What is less clear is whether there were other races around who were also ruled over/enslaved by the evanuris.    Dalish myths about Arlathan seem to suggest this to be the case because they specifically admit that the elves looked upon humans much as humans now look upon the elves in the alienages, as second class citizens and inferior beings but may be they weren't even considered good enough to be slaves and were just looked upon as vermin.     Mind you, I have a theory that they were slaves and the elves may have mated with (raped) the females to produce more of them, specifically because the resulting children were human but that is how magic got into the human race.      Since elves are specifically said to have magic in their blood and the other races do not as a rule (though I'm not clear whether that does apply to mages), that would seem to show that the other races were not originally magical (and wholly mortal) and likely why they weren't as adversely affected by the raising of the Veil.      Humans are said to have arrived some years before the elves felt the quickening, so must have been around before the Veil.

[Commander Felos]

All elves were mages, then the veil was forged. What then? why did only some elves loose magic?

[Abyss108]

I don't think they've ever said why only some Elves lost magic.

 

The Veil is a barrier between the physical world and magic, so I'd assume those who are still mages just had a more powerful connection to the fade. Elves who are weak at magic before the Veil, would completely lose their ability, those that were powerful mages would just be made much weaker.

[LightningPoodle]

I don't think Elves were all necessarily mages in the days of Arlathan. Magical, yes. I would compare them to sprites or fae. The rulers of the Elven people, and any who expressed a greater power over "magic", were the ones who held the governing power, or at least held a respectable position. Those that did not simply fell beneath them. I don't think there were any Elves that had no magic though.

[diaspora2k5]

Oppression, blood magic, and slavery existed so I don't think mage or no really matters.

[Serza]

...don't think there were non-mages.

[ComedicSociopathy]

...don't think there were non-mages.

 

Chances are that even through all Arlathan were indeed mages, not all were equally powerful. Solas and the Evanius are a prime example of that and I'm sure that there were several mage tiers below them ala Tevinter and their class system. Those at the bottom were likely oppressed and enslaved. 

[In Exile]

All elves were mages, then the veil was forged. What then? why did only some elves loose magic?

It's not clear what happened with the Veil, and whether it was as simple as only some elves losing magic.

[thats1evildude]

More than likely, those with more magical ability oppressed those with less.

[ModernAcademic]

Mages and non-mages were oppressed by the leaders of Arlathan, the Evanuris. There might have been many social classes, but only a handful of elves were truly free.

Arlathan was a tyrannical plutocracy.

[Xerrai]

I'm pretty certain that all elves, prior to the veil, were capable of manipulating magic. To quote Solas, the pre-veil era was when "magic was as natural as breathing" to elves. All that differed was their individual power (i.e an Evanuris. compared to common mages).

 

But from what we've seen in games, there is enough evidence to at least suspect that they did oppress "non-mages"--with the most prominent example being the dwarves (who they deemed as "soulless") and probably humans.

However it should be noted that there exist several theories that think that maybe even they (dwarves/humans) had magic too. Theories range from dwarves using the 'magic' granted by lyrium and the titan to theories where even humans had the majority of their population being mages. In which case their oppression was primarily race-based rather than simply being a non-mage.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Pretty much everyone else than the nobles of Arlathan were oppressed. Sort of like modern Thedas..

[Serza]

Chances are that even through all Arlathan were indeed mages, not all were equally powerful. Solas and the Evanius are a prime example of that and I'm sure that there several mage tiers below them ala Tevinter and their class system. Those at the bottom were likely oppressed and enslaved. 

 

Naturally. That's a thing even today with Mages.

 

But it's my belief that even what we would consider Warriors and Rogues by Arlathan standarts used some degree of Magic - as an example.

[Nixou]

All elves were mages, then the veil was forged. What then? why did only some elves loose magic?

 

I suspect that it has something to do with raw power: the most powerful mages retained the capacity to tap into the Fade for their spells despite the Veil but were diminished, while the less powerful lost magic altogether

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Doubt there were any non-mages in Arlathan.

 

If there were, they weren't elves. And yes, they were likely oppressed.

[Anvos]

If there were any then yes as if you can control a mage enough to enslave them there is no reason you couldn't a mundane.

[BansheeOwnage]

I'm pretty certain that all elves, prior to the veil, were capable of manipulating magic. To quote Solas, the pre-veil era was when "magic was as natural as breathing" to elves. All that differed was their individual power (i.e an Evanuris. compared to common mages).

 

But from what we've seen in games, there is enough evidence to at least suspect that they did oppress "non-mages"--with the most prominent example being the dwarves (who they deemed as "soulless") and probably humans.

Speculation: They considered the ancient dwarves soulless (at first) because they were part of a hivemind connected to Titans. Like the Sha-Brytol. Eventually, that connection was mostly severed and they were no longer considered slaves/soulless beings. Maybe that happened to the group of dwarves serving the Titan Mythal killed. Or maybe the dwarves' connection is now so weak simply because the Titans are in a sort of hibernation. Who knows?

 

Carry on!

[Aren]

-Indeed, humans were used as monkeys clowns for the circus dedicated to Dirthamen.

-Qunari were made after experimentation with dragons just for fun by the mother of the halla.

-Dwarves and their titans were hunted for sport by Mythal

-Slaves were used just to build those statues for Elgar nan,after that they were always sacrificed for no reason .

-Let's not even talk about Falon din and the others...

-Solas slowly become more and more mad in this ancient world... but hey at least they were not tranquils......

[Ashagar]

Pretty much everyone else than the nobles of Arlathan were oppressed. Sort of like modern Thedas..

 

What information we can see the Elven empire made even ancient Tevinter look nice in comparison and makes modern Tevinter look like saints in comparison. The ancient elven god kings used to hunt mortal races for sport, enslaved and at times slaughterer their own people for amusement and that's not going into what they did to the titans and dwarves.

[AedanStarfang]

Probably not to the same extent as in the TI where non-mages (and even lesser mages) were/are treated as human cattle. I would imagine that in Arlathan the rogues & warriors had their uses and simply were not privy to things that their magical superiors were, of course I'm thinking of it like a Dalish clan with a bigger emphasis on the caste/class system...I could be totally off.

[Ashagar]

From what I gather Tevinter has at least two classes of commoners the soporati or the sleepers which are the general non-mage commoners, the liberati or freed slaves before you get to the slaves which are what you are thinking which have about as much rights as furniture. there are also a group of shadowy thiefs called the Praesumptor who apparently command respect.

 

Tevinter society is rather set up like the ancient roman complete with roman style classes and roman attitudes towards their own society including the idea that their society is mutable and rewarding of merit unlike the rest of Thadas. Its a place where even commoners likely own at least one slave to do the job no proper Tevinter citizen would do.

 

The elven empire on the other hand apparently everyone was enslaved to the Elven God Kings as far as I can tell.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

No, there were definitely people other than slaves. The ancient library describes people that were not slaves, like scholars and nobles and so forth.