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[straykat]

Or it's being polite and not wanting to hurt someone's feelings. If you don't get simple yes or no it's your choice to walk away or stay in "waiting room", no need to complain. And well it's not like people always get "no" unless you are really straight-forward and rude about it. Have been in couple situations where the person just didn't seem to get it. 

 

 

Not a few. I mean they would lose customers and fans who do not only purchase their games, but also every extra stuff they put out. They'd lose fan-creators, game-youtubers. It would be all over gaming news. The outrage might be as big as with Ubisoft's: we can't do women! Though it would depend on how they would explain it though.

 

They would never go that far.. I wouldn't worry about it.

 

At the same time though, I wouldn't overestimate it either. It's not even a quarter of the fanbase apparently.

[FKA_Servo]

To be fair, he always was iffy on what the Asari were. Even without this context.

Sadly for Casey and his particular brand of foot in mouth disease, the codex was quite clear on the matter right from the start.

It is a reliably amusing gauge for how much weight, if any, should be given to poster's opinion around here, though. One of many.

[straykat]

Sadly for Casey and his particular brand of foot in mouth disease, the codex was quite clear on the matter right from the start.

It is a reliably amusing gauge for how much weight, if any, should be given to poster's opinion around here, though. One of many.

 

I think they were all winging it sometimes..

 

I mean, the codex itself was largely one guy too. And then he was also dissed later on for his various contributions.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I'd imagine that his opinion would be different now. Cause Bioware wouldn't get easily away for making game that only had male character as playable, maybe with set protagonist and new IP, but surely not ME.

 

Bioware has always had male and female playable characters, haven't they? This isn't something new. Granted, the addition of voice acting makes that a bigger investment than earlier games.

[vbibbi]

The "Shep's not gay" thing was basically this:
 
After ME1 was released, people complained a bit that gay male Sheps were the only ones who didn't get any romance options.  Bioware (either Casey or Ray) responded by saying that it was because Shep is a pre-determined character and he's not gay.  People responded that FemShep could be a lesbian and that's when he responded with the ridiculous "Asari aren't female" thing (despite being called an "all female" race in game).  Basically, the argument was that since Liara's species is all-female, it didn't count as a lesbian relationship for FemShep.
 
Then, ME2 came out and FemShep could romance Kelly (even though it didn't count as a full romance).  It was only then (after having no way to explain away FemShepXKelly as not being a f/f relationship) that they reneged on their statement and said that they'd address m/m content in ME3.  All in all, it was embarrassing.

  

Yeah...that's pretty bad. And I'm not concerned with how the news took this stance, I personally dislike when a company I'm purchasing entertainment from makes offensive statements and then backtracks when the popular opinion changes. This is why I'm not sad Casey is gone.

Maybe Gaider had an enormous influence on DA's themes of liberal culture and ME never had that voice. Sci fi might also have broader appeal to shooter crowds so isn't as likely to embrace liberal culture. Broad generalization I know, but ME has always been less progressive than DA.

I don't know.. you could be right. But he said this not long ago. During ME3's development. Not before the series was created.

  

I can understand if he's trying to show how Bio is willing to do fan service rather than chase the bottom line, but he really didn't make a good case.

I wasn't a fan of Dorian. I personally wouldn't like the first gay companion quest to be about being gay. I have seen that plot have been talked about hundreds of times on TV. I would have liked for his story to be about him being something other than gay. You don't see Sera or even Samantha has a plot revolved around their sexuality. With Cortez, he has a dead husband, with Dorian, he has the gay conversion plot. This is why I don't have very good confidence with set sexuality, with the way the distribution and content were handled.

I feel bad not caring for the Dorian romance as it's clear that Gaider put a lot of himself into it and it's clear it was a labor of love. But no matter how much Gaider justifies it or defends it, it still does come across as an after school special on teh gays. There are other elements to his story, blood magic reform etc. etc. but the core of Dorian's story is about his sexuality, which is a shame.

I agree that the female same sex relationships haven't had as much of an issue in telling a personal story which doesn't revolve around their sexuality. I think male s/s relationships are still more touchy topics in mainstream culture, and the games romances feel like they're trying so hard not to offend the dudebros that they don't contain much of substance.

[In Exile]

I don't understand tho, if they never had the intention to include m/m romances then why did they record lines for gay romances with Kaidan or Thane? MaleShep can even say "I'm only interested in men" when rejecting Liara in ME1.

 

They just had both actors read lines for both genders. Where Mark Meer reads out all the female gender specific lines that come up for F!Shep. 

[Hadeedak]

I don't know what you're talking about...

 

But both of these sound horrible for a game. lol.

 

 

Varric friendzoned my dwarf.

 

Never forget. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They just had both actors read lines for both genders. Where Mark Meer reads out all the female gender specific lines that come up for F!Shep. 

With humorous results. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

With humorous results. 

 

I have to say, mShep being called princess isn't all that bad. It's got a ring to it

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

I find it funny how much heterosexuality is so fragile that they need a toggle to turn of "gay people" in video games. Liara, Ashley, Jack, Miranda, Tali and Diana Allers all hit on me during my playtroughs, but I turned them down like a gentleman  and got on with my life and kept them as friends like normal people do. Don't want to romance a character? Turn them down politely like a decent human being would do. Being hit by a guy won't make you less "hetero". Just like being hit by girls doesn't make me less "******". I take it as a compliment in fact. So enough with the whining ._.

[9TailsFox]

I find it funny how much heterosexuality is so fragile that they need a toggle to turn of "gay people" in video games. Liara, Ashley, Jack, Miranda, Tali and Diana Allers all hit on me during my playtroughs, but I turned them down like a gentleman  and got on with my life and kept them as friends like normal people do. Don't want to romance a character? Turn them down politely like a decent human being would do. Being hit by a guy won't make you less "hetero". Just like being hit by girls doesn't make me less "******". I take it as a compliment in fact. So enough with the whining ._.

I am straight man and was flattered Anders hit on me, because I liked him in awakening. And didn't like then Diana Allers hit on me i just want Diana Allers toggle.

[agonis]

I am straight man and was faltered Anders hit on me, because I liked him in awakening. And didn't like then Diana Allers hit on me i just want Diana Allers toggle.

I assume you mean "flattered"? But yeah, I didn´t recruit Diana Allers in my second playthrough. They didn´t give her character much depth and the interview with her was disappointing and didn´t have any consequenzes.

[Han Shot First]

So to change subject slightly:

 

What approach do you think ME:A is going to take with romances?  Bioware has taken a bunch of approaches in the past:

• All bisexual LI's
• Varied sexuality among the LI's
• Squad only romances
• Squad and NPC romances

My gut is that they'll borrow from the DA: I approach.  I suspect that there will be a variety among the LI sexualities (with at least two options for straight/gay men/women).  I also suspect that they'll have both squad and NPC romances.

 

The question remains, will they have skewed romance numbers for different PC demographics?  Given the franchise's history, I'd say that it's likely that there will be more than two options for straight guys and that they will receive more options than the other demographics. 

 

So maybe, 7 or 8 romances?  2 straight women, 1-2 straight men, 1 bisexual woman, 1 bisexual man, 1 lesbian, and 1 gay man would be my guess.

 

I think they'll most likely go the ME3/DA:I route. The occasional gripe about gating aside, I think fans generally seem to prefer more defined characters. I'd be surprised if they went the playersexual route, where companion character's preferences potentially change based on the gender of the protagonist.

 

If they do go with some characters being straight or gay as opposed to playersexual or all bisexual, I'd also expect that some of the LIs wouldn't be squadmates. I think if you're going to have a variety of sexual preferences among the LIs and also provide at least two options for each gender/sexuality combo, you probably end up with as many or more options than squadmates. So if the devs go that route I'd expect that a couple of the options would be the ship's pilot or doctor or what have you, and not squadmates.

 

Speaking of gating...my own preference would be that it wouldn't just be limited to gender either, but also based on your character's dialogue and actions. Some squadmates or crew members should probably disagree strongly with some of the actions the protagonist can take, and it may be more in character in certain circumstances for it to also result in that character losing any romantic interest in the protagonist. To use a past Bioware games as examples, Leliana should have zero interest in a Warden that desecrates the Sacred Ashes and Fenris should have wanted to murder blood mage Hawke, not sleep with him/her. 

[9TailsFox]

I think they'll most likely go the ME3/DA:I route. The occasional gripe about gating aside, I think fans generally seem to prefer more defined characters. I'd be surprised if they went the playersexual route, where companion character's preferences potentially change based on the gender of the protagonist.

 

If they do go with some characters being straight or gay as opposed to playersexual or all bisexual, I'd also expect that some of the LIs wouldn't be squadmates. I think if you're going to have a variety of sexual preferences among the LIs and also provide at least two options for each gender/sexuality combo, you probably end up with as many or more options than squadmates. So if the devs go that route I'd expect that a couple of the options would be the ship's pilot or doctor or what have you, and not squadmates.

 

Speaking of gating...my own preference would be that it wouldn't just be limited to gender either, but also based on your character's dialogue and actions. Some squadmates or crew members should probably disagree strongly with some of the actions the protagonist can take, and it may be more in character in certain circumstances for it to also result in that character losing any romantic interest in the protagonist. To use a past Bioware games as examples, Leliana should have zero interest in a Warden that desecrates the Sacred Ashes and Fenris should have wanted to murder blood mage Hawke, not sleep with him/her. 

Anders and Fenris is worst example of why rivalry/friendship system is bad. Hawke murdering, imprison all mages, Anders I don't like what you do but I respect you   Really justice should rip off Hawkes head where he stand.

 

Merril rivalry is actually better friendship than actual friendship.

-Give me dagger I want open magical mirrors and summon demons.

-No.

-Why you doing this to me.

-Because I am you friend.

 

 

Speaking about gating, people asking gay alien i would like to see how bioware would do it.

 

It's not the problem we not same race it's totally fine it's problem you wrong gender.

My race don't have gender.

[Evamitchelle]

Speaking of gating...my own preference would be that it wouldn't just be limited to gender either, but also based on your character's dialogue and actions. Some squadmates or crew members should probably disagree strongly with some of the actions the protagonist can take, and it may be more in character in certain circumstances for it to also result in that character losing any romantic interest in the protagonist. To use a past Bioware games as examples, Leliana should have zero interest in a Warden that desecrates the Sacred Ashes and Fenris should have wanted to murder blood mage Hawke, not sleep with him/her. 

 

Doesn't Anders dump you if you agreed to let the demon possess Feynriel? More of that would be nice. 

[Han Shot First]

Doesn't Anders dump you if you agreed to let the demon possess Feynriel? More of that would be nice. 

 

I'm not sure. The only thing my Hawke ever poked Anders with was the murder knife. 

 

 

But stuff like that in ME:A would be nice. 

[Panda]

Fenris should have wanted to murder blood mage Hawke, not sleep with him/her. 

 

Excuse me, Fenris and Niall Hawke are very happy together!

[Fixers0]

I find it funny how much heterosexuality is so fragile that they need a toggle to turn of "gay people" in video games. Liara, Ashley, Jack, Miranda, Tali and Diana Allers all hit on me during my playtroughs, but I turned them down like a gentleman  and got on with my life and kept them as friends like normal people do. Don't want to romance a character? Turn them down politely like a decent human being would do. Being hit by a guy won't make you less "hetero". Just like being hit by girls doesn't make me less "******". I take it as a compliment in fact. So enough with the whining ._.

 

Frankly, when men (and some women, too, for that matter) start hitting on my male characters I want to be able to go further than to just 'Turn them down politely'. I  don't people hitting on my protagonist so long as I can respond in satisfactory manner.

[9TailsFox]

I assume you mean "flattered"? But yeah, I didn´t recruit Diana Allers in my second playthrough. They didn´t give her character much depth and the interview with her was disappointing and didn´t have any consequenzes.

I wanted Emily Wong to return not this nonsense I hope IGN money worth it.

[Panda]

Frankly, when men (and some women, too, for that matter) start hitting on my male characters I want to be able to go further than to just 'Turn them down politely'. I  don't people hitting on my protagonist so long as I can respond in satisfactory manner.

 

I guess this could be granted, but with some consequence. Polite rejection would mean that relationship remains friendly, harsh rejection would make it professional only for example. I think that would make sense. And maybe satisfy those who don't want to "friendzone" people.

[JosieRevisited]

 i just want Diana Allers toggle.

 

This made me chuckle. I'm against toggles of any kind because it's absolutely absurd that people want to erase things that make them uncomfortable, but I agree that character was particularly.... trashy I guess is the only way I can describe her. Didn't like her in the least. 

[Karlone123]

Kaidan is your bro still. He never hits on you, you have to initiate the relationship, and if you didn't, he would treat you as friends for the rest of the game. 

 

They already said a toggle would never be implemented because it could be seen as a way for people to remove gay people from the world. It has been talked about in-depth.

 

Fallout 4 romance is actually very similar to Bioware, but no one complain about it. The characters are very developed in this game, very unlike previous Bethesda games. All their characters are playersexual, and no one really complains about it that much. 

 

I'm ok with playersexual or set orientation as long as they're equal. 2/2/2 is the magic number if they go with set sexuality.

 

You are so goddamned right on the player-sexual aspect people choose to complain about. I remember people complaining about DA2 companions being "Hawke-sexual" despite a reason was given due to the smaller amount of companions. But I do not think I have seen one word mentioned about it in Fallout 4. This place is hopeless.

[javeart]

About the gating. I'd personally love it f there were no restriction at all... I'm all for only bisexual LIs and for rivalmances. My canon LI a very pro-mage Hawke with a rivalmanced Fenris and I think it makes sense, and it's nice the way it's acknowledge that there's tension between them. I guess someone could play her/his Hawke in a way that ends up making no sense at all that Fenris loves her/him but, hey, that doesn't affect me, does it?

 

Of course, the mix of hetero/gay/lesbian/bi makes sense, as do many other restrictions based in context and lore, but I'd much prefer it if we had 4-5 well developed romances, with some variations depending on certain choices if possible, than having the same amount of resources invested in 8-10 romances, the same way I prefer 4-6 squadmates with tons of content, good loyalty missions and lots of banter, to those big crews with 9-12 squadmates, like in DAI or ME2

 

Also, I still don't enjoy much playing with a male PC, and I hate having to do it to see content I'm interested in, like with Dorian's, Miranda's and Jack's romances (my three reasons ever to play a male PC in a bioware game)

 

Goes without saying that I see no problem at all with having to reject some one you're not atracted to for whatever reason, and even if it could be avoided by giving always the initiative to the PC, and that's ok for me, from time to time is nice if it's the other way around, specially because for some characters it makes much more sense to do so than just having them waiting for you to hit on them

[Panda]

You are so goddamned right on the player-sexual aspect people choose to complain about. I remember people complaining about DA2 companions being "Hawke-sexual" despite a reason was given due to the smaller amount of companions. But I do not think I have seen one word mentioned about it in Fallout 4. This place is hopeless.

 

People are used to it with Bethesda, but not with Bioware. And lot of misunderstanding of Hawkesexuality/playersexuality came from Anders who didn't tell about his relationship with Karl to female Hawke, but did tell about it to male Hawke. I was one of those that assumed that his sexuality changed according to Hawke's gender, because of that dialogue difference, but BW later cleared it out.

[daveliam]

People are used to it with Bethesda, but not with Bioware. And lot of misunderstanding of Hawkesexuality/playersexuality came from Anders who didn't tell about his relationship with Karl to female Hawke, but did tell about it to male Hawke. I was one of those that assumed that his sexuality changed according to Hawke's gender, because of that dialogue difference, but BW later cleared it out.

 

That's a funny thing, right?  People complain when players don't show explicitly talk about their sexuality and/or don't show differences between male & female romance paths.  But then, when they do (like Anders), people get mad that the characters have different standards for male & female PCs.  It's weird.  I understand why people might have thought the LI's in DA2 were "playersexual", but even when provided with proof that it wasn't the case, people still fall back on this moment as 'evidence'.  Personally?  I'm indifferent on the matter.  But it is kind of neat when there are small differences between the male & female romance paths.