A mono-gendered species isn't really gendered at all except as analogy.
The only reason people even viewed the Asari as female is because they look like women with weird hair AND all seem to have sexy voices. Of course, the problem is, how do you create a party member that people can identify with to the degree that people actually wanted their character to romance "it", if that party member basically looks like a hanar or something obviously non-humanoid?!
now how do Asari give birth and care for their infants? If it vastly differs from how humans do it there was no reason to give them human female secondary sex characteristics.
The only reason people even viewed the Asari as female is because they look like women with weird hair AND all seem to have sexy voices. Of course, the problem is, how do you create a party member that people can identify with to the degree that people actually wanted their character to romance "it", if that party member basically looks like a hanar or something obviously non-humanoid?!
Don't ask me. I don't get why some are hot for Garrus. A cross between bird, reptile, and insect. Needle-sharp teeth that would shred your own lips and tongue if you got them in proximity. NO WAY for there to be any sex organ compatibility, let alone any form of genetic compatibility, chemical/hormonal compatibility, immune compatibility, etc. Then there's those who "want to bang a Krogan"! WTH? I hope they don't have horned toads in their area or I suspect sexual abuse of wildlife.
Besides just trying it for grins in the game to see what, if anything, was different, I steered clear of the cross species nonsense. I can be friends with my horse and dogs but, no matter how intelligent they might be (suppose genetic engineering to give them human-style intelligence) neither I, nor they, would want to bang boots except with conspecifics.
now how do Asari give birth and care for their infants? If it vastly differs from how humans do it there was no reason to give them human female secondary sex characteristics.
One of my early mods after doing Ashley mods up and down was a Liara mod, one of which involved changes to her "romance" body. Now I've never seen her romance scene in ME3, only in ME1, so I didn't realize at the time that I wasted my time. I gave her "breasts" nipples (among other fine-tunes to her body). Ooops. The fact that she had NO nipples wasn't just a coward move to avoid controversy, it was because they actually saw Liara as having breasts for no reason whatsoever except to make her chest look female for players. So...in the story universe, Asari have boobs that serve no purpose even close to that of human female breasts except, it seems, to entice male humans (mostly). She also would undoubtedly lack any lubricated opening in her crotch that can/does accept a male organ since they don't use sex in that way (mind melding, whatever the hell THAT is, instead, which doesn't even necesssarily require physical contact! What a waste).
They are "female" only for the reasons you mention but biologically, they are not male OR female.
Don't ask me. I don't get why some are hot for Garrus. A cross between bird, reptile, and insect. Needle-sharp teeth that would shred your own lips and tongue if you got them in proximity. NO WAY for there to be any sex organ compatibility, let alone any form of genetic compatibility, chemical/hormonal compatibility, immune compatibility, etc. Then there's those who "want to bang a Krogan"! WTH? I hope they don't have horned toads in their area or I suspect sexual abuse of wildlife.
Besides just trying it for grins in the game to see what, if anything, was different, I steered clear of the cross species nonsense. I can be friends with my horse and dogs but, no matter how intelligent they might be (suppose genetic engineering to give them human-style intelligence) neither I, nor they, would want to bang boots except with conspecifics.
well to be fair, you can have a well functioning relationship without the sex. If sex is a huge issue I'm sure there are 'items' that can assist with that. I really don't wanna know what a Krogan looks like under that armor but 1 small bag of ice is enough to soothe his groin area ...
Keep in mind, that Asari are just screwing with people's minds. They look different to everyone. Or they can.
One of my early mods after doing Ashley mods up and down was a Liara mod, one of which involved changes to her "romance" body. Now I've never seen her romance scene in ME3, only in ME1, so I didn't realize at the time that I wasted my time. I gave her "breasts" nipples (among other fine-tunes to her body). Ooops. The fact that she had NO nipples wasn't just a coward move to avoid controversy, it was because they actually saw Liara as having breasts for no reason whatsoever except to make her chest look female for players. So...in the story universe, Asari have boobs that serve no purpose even close to that of human female breasts except, it seems, to entice male humans (mostly). She also would undoubtedly lack any lubricated opening in her crotch that can/does accept a male organ since they don't use sex in that way (mind melding, whatever the hell THAT is, instead, which doesn't even necesssarily require physical contact! What a waste).
They are "female" only for the reasons you mention but biologically, they are not male OR female.
If they would meddle with your brain upon meeting them to make themselves appealing to your race it all would make sense. A wasted opportunity in my mind.
Keep in mind, that Asari are just screwing with people's minds. They look different to everyone. Or they can.
Another reason I steered clear and stuck with Ash.
The in-game codex calls the Asari "an all-female species". They are 'mono-gendered' ("one-gender") not 'agendered' ("no gender"). Combine these two facts and it's pretty clear that Liara is a female. Then, add in the fact that gender is different than biological sex. Two completely different concepts. They wear female associated clothing and use feminine pronouns. While there might be a technicality in there somewhere, they are certainly female for the purposes of the discussion that this is referring to. FemShep and Liara is a female/female relationship.
The only reason people even viewed the Asari as female is because they look like women with weird hair AND all seem to have sexy voices.
Liara regards herself as female (as does, I think, every single asari character, major or minor, that we meet over the course of the trilogy). Their government, their life stages - maiden, matron, matriarch - and their military - huntresses - are characterized by distinctly feminine nomenclature.
This seems like a very easy question to answer, and the only reason it was ever up for debate was because someone from Bioware said something stupid about gay romances. It's astonishing to me that it's still a thing.
They look different to everyone. Or they can.
As far as I'm aware, this is only ever invoked in that one weird "bachelor party scene," and I'd be very surprised if it's not something that's either actively retconned or simply just never acknowledged going forward. Asari are asari, and they look like asari.
Don't ask me. I don't get why some are hot for Garrus. A cross between bird, reptile, and insect. Needle-sharp teeth that would shred your own lips and tongue if you got them in proximity. NO WAY for there to be any sex organ compatibility, let alone any form of genetic compatibility, chemical/hormonal compatibility, immune compatibility, etc.
Garrus is still basically humanoid, albeit "birdlike humanoid". Male birds do have internal testes and such. I've leave the...details to you, but it's not too hard to imagine how stimulation can easily be a thing in that relationship (assuming you're not 10 years old).
Then there's those who "want to bang a Krogan"! WTH? I hope they don't have horned toads in their area or I suspect sexual abuse of wildlife.
Never mind the, uh, size difference there. A Krogan is like 5 times the size of a human female...
Liara regards herself as female (as does, I think, every single asari character, major or minor, that we meet over the course of the trilogy). Their government, their life stages - maiden, matron, matriarch - and their military - huntresses - are characterized by distinctly feminine nomenclature.
This seems like a very easy question to answer, and the only reason it was ever up for debate was because someone from Bioware said something stupid about gay romances. It's astonishing to me that it's still a thing.
Yes, but again...that's just to make the whole "monogendered" thing make sense to the player. Their only "sex/gender" is..."female". Asari describe themselves as female to other species, despite the fact such a concept doesn't really work for them.
If they would meddle with your brain upon meeting them to make themselves appealing to your race it all would make sense. A wasted opportunity in my mind.
How would that be different from a guy "manipulating the mind" of a woman at a bar with a well-placed psyhoactive in her drink to make him seem more "appealing"? Or suppose a horny drug. You give it and the recipient becomes horny as hell, with predictable results. How would the Asari mind manipulation be different from using that horny drug to get a woman (or anyone else for that matter)? In both cases you are manipulating the mind/brain of the recipient in order to get sex (not so fun with an Asari as a human but still)... Frankly, I'd be VERY angry and very on-guard around any alien that did that sort of thing.
The in-game codex calls the Asari "an all-female species". They are 'mono-gendered' ("one-gender") not 'agendered' ("no gender"). Combine these two facts and it's pretty clear that Liara is a female. Then, add in the fact that gender is different than biological sex. Two completely different concepts. They wear female associated clothing and use feminine pronouns. While there might be a technicality in there somewhere, they are certainly female for the purposes of the discussion that this is referring to. FemShep and Liara is a female/female relationship.
Call it what you want from or in the codex but it is not biologically accurate or relevant. Biotics isn't real or even potentially real either (I could have done without it, frankly) but just because it is in the codex doesn't make it valid. The biology implied by the codex entries is far far easier to take apart with reality than the biotics...like the magic in Harry Potter movies.
The FACT remains, if you came across any alien species (or species on earth of which I named two classes) that mate without gender, do not have more than one actual sex with different sexual and basic behavioral difference to correspond with them, then they aren't gendered. Codex schmodex.
Call it what you want from or in the codex but it is not biologically accurate or relevant. Biotics isn't real or even potentially real either (I could have done without it, frankly) but just because it is in the codex doesn't make it valid. The biology implied by the codex entries is far far easier to take apart with reality than the biotics...like the magic in Harry Potter movies.
The FACT remains, if you came across any alien species (or species on earth of which I named two classes) that mate without gender, do not have more than one actual sex with different sexual and basic behavioral difference to correspond with them, then they aren't gendered. Codex schmodex.
You can choose to ignore the game's reality if you want. But it doesn't make you correct. We are talking about the game's reality, not our reality. The game is science fiction and, like all science fiction, has in-setting rules that don't apply to our reality. If you have to ignore them to make your point, then your point is probably not valid in-setting.
How would that be different from a guy "manipulating the mind" of a woman at a bar with a well-placed psyhoactive in her drink to make him seem more "appealing"? Or suppose a horny drug. You give it and the recipient becomes horny as hell, with predictable results. How would the Asari mind manipulation be different from using that horny drug to get a woman (or anyone else for that matter)? In both cases you are manipulating the mind/brain of the recipient in order to get sex (not so fun with an Asari as a human but still)... Frankly, I'd be VERY angry and very on-guard around any alien that did that sort of thing.
Wouldn't be different at all, it would make them dangerous, also interesting as a alien species. I found the Ardat-Yakshi as a concept really interesting
Yes, but again...that's just to make the whole "monogendered" thing make sense to the player. Their only "sex/gender" is..."female". Asari describe themselves as female to other species, despite the fact such a concept doesn't really work for them.
I feel like the sort of player who has trouble making sense of the monogendered thing probably didn't even get that far because they were probably tripped up by the space ships and the space magic.
It doesn't seem like it should be an issue if you're able to suspend your disbelief even a little bit.
Garrus is still basically humanoid, albeit "birdlike humanoid". Male birds do have internal testes and such. I've leave the...details to you, but it's not too hard to imagine how stimulation can easily be a thing in that relationship (assuming you're not 10 years old).
Never mind the, uh, size difference there. A Krogan is like 5 times the size of a human female...
Yes, but again...that's just to make the whole "monogendered" thing make sense to the player. Their only "sex/gender" is..."female". Asari describe themselves as female to other species, despite the fact such a concept doesn't really work for them.
Again, irrelevant.
Suppose a genetically engineered ostrich. It looks like a normal ostrich, or maybe has a larger head, whatever, and it has been engineered so it has a human-like, human-level intelligence. You can converse with this ostrich (or chimp, or horse, or dog, or ignuana, etc) and laugh at each other's jokes, and so forth. It does NOT follow that just because a bird has sex organs inside, even shares the same genetic code, unlike ANY alien anywhere, it doesn't follow that humans would then desire to get romantic with the ostrich (and vice versa). It doesn't matter how human-like in intelligence something is, that doesn't mean sexual attraction and necking, etc. The ostrich will stick with his/her other ostriches and humans stick with humans. Doesn't matter if an ostrich had a sex organ that COULD stimulate you. So what? Most mammels have sex organs that, theoretically, COULD be sexually stimulated if used that way, but that doesn't make it cool, acceptable, or likely except for a very few true pervs to use them thus.
What I personally prefer:
Write every person to be as they are. I don't want that everybody loves me. So it's a no for me in a case of playersexual.
Please, don't still cut content like with Jack in ME2. Let us be friends and have great chats even without a hint of romance.
PS. Just watched the whole Kaidan gay romance from Youtube and I thinks it is best thing what ever happened to that guy.
I feel like the sort of player who has trouble making sense of the monogendered thing probably didn't even get that far because they were probably tripped up by the space ships and the space magic.
It doesn't seem like it should be an issue if you're able to suspend your disbelief even a little bit.
Yes, that's part of the point. But you have to walk that line of believable/relatable vs alien/unknown. If it's so strange that player can't relate, then no one is going to go for that. For instance, why didn't the devs choose to make Legion a romantic option? Because very few people can relate to a "platform of multiple platforms" in anything other than a platonic way -- even if we remove sexual attraction from the equation.
Again, irrelevant.
Suppose a genetically engineered ostrich. It looks like a normal ostrich, or maybe has a larger head, whatever, and it has been engineered so it has a human-like, human-level intelligence. You can converse with this ostrich (or chimp, or horse, or dog, or ignuana, etc) and laugh at each other's jokes, and so forth. It does NOT follow that just because a bird has sex organs inside, even shares the same genetic code, unlike ANY alien anywhere, it doesn't follow that humans would then desire to get romantic with the ostrich (and vice versa).
Um...that argument doesn't even work, because ostriches are NOT humanoid. Part of the reason the Garrus-Sheppard relationship works is because Garrus is still HUMANOID. That's kind of an important thing. It's the same reason that Twi'lek females in Star Wars are generally considered to be "sexy" within that story universe. Because despite having weird tentacle heads, they still have breasts and so on. We have no idea if there's any other similarities, but we know they have enough human characteristics to make it work as a type of mental fantasy. It's a mix of the familiar and the unfamiliar.
The point I was making about stimulation was how it could work mechanically. Your personal aversion to such a relationship doesn't factor in to whether the relationship works at all.
Yes, that's part of the point. But you have to walk that line of believable/relatable vs alien/unknown. If it's so strange that player can't relate, then no one is going to go for that. For instance, why didn't the devs choose to make Legion a romantic option? Because very few people can relate to a "platform of multiple platforms" in anything other than a platonic way -- even if we remove sexual attraction from the equation.
Um...that argument doesn't even work, because ostriches are NOT humanoid. Part of the reason the Garrus-Sheppard relationship works is because Garrus is still HUMANOID. That's kind of an important thing. It's the same reason that Twi'lek females in Star Wars are generally considered to be "sexy" within that story universe. Because despite having weird tentacle heads, they still have breasts and so on. We have no idea if there's any other similarities, but we know they have enough human characteristics to make it work as a type of mental fantasy. It's a mix of the familiar and the unfamiliar.
The point I was making about stimulation was how it could work mechanically. Your personal aversion to such a relationship doesn't factor in to whether the relationship works at all.
I have a personal aversion to sex acts with my horses. I have an aversion to you or anyone else having sex with my horses (or anyone else's). Intelligence of the recipient is irrelevant.
Forget the ostrich if you can't make the leap (vertebrate, bidepal, same skeletal layout in general way) and think chimp or gorilla then. Humanoid. It is still irrelevant wrt the mechanics of the acts. That is the point.
As for suspension of disbelief...I was coming in with real world into the fake world in response to some who use the ME fake world as a weapon or tool to bring into the real world (personal/sexual agendas, political agendas, whatever). It isn't OK to go from game to real life but complain or gripe if someone instead comes from real world to game to throw a wet blanket on a point. Especially when some take the game world and its quirks and nonsense soooo seriously and portentiously.
Especially when some take the game world and its quirks and nonsense soooo seriously and portentiously.
This sentence is kinda funny in light of the rest of your post (and most of the previous ones).
I don't think most of us are taking it that seriously, actually.
I have a personal aversion to sex acts with my horses. I have an aversion to you or anyone else having sex with my horses (or anyone else's). Intelligence of the recipient is irrelevant.
Good for you. See below.
Forget the ostrich if you can't make the leap (vertebrate, bidepal, same skeletal layout in general way) and think chimp or gorilla then. Humanoid. It is still irrelevant wrt the mechanics of the acts. That is the point.
GREAT! In a fiction world with no real world consequences, your personal aversion to such a thing doesn't matter. At all. Ever. You can choose to not romance Garrus, but you need to quit acting like other player's choice to do so is...a perversion. It's a game, without real world consequences. Your feelings on the matter don't factor into this.
As for suspension of disbelief...I was coming in with real world into the fake world in response to some who use the ME fake world as a weapon or tool to bring into the real world (personal/sexual agendas, political agendas, whatever). It isn't OK to go from game to real life but complain or gripe if someone instead comes from real world to game to throw a wet blanket on a point. Especially when some take the game world and its quirks and nonsense soooo seriously and portentiously.
I'm not fully sure what you're trying to say here...
It feels awkwardly worded. But, again, it's a game. So, stop treating a work of fiction as if it should conform to your real world worldview. Sleeping with a horse in real life is much different than sleeping with an avian-featured humanoid. The real world consequences of sleeping with (to borrow your example from before) an intelligent ostrich are HARDLY comparable to fictional consequences of the implications of a sexual relationship with an avian-featured humanoid. If you have such a problem separating your personal worldview from the fictional universe of a work of fiction, that's your problem; the rest of us shouldn't have to have less (fictional) options because of your aversions.
This sentence is kinda funny in light of the rest of your post (and most of the previous ones).
I don't think most of us are taking it that seriously, actually.
I take hypothetical alien sex very seriously! 
This sentence is kinda funny in light of the rest of your post (and most of the previous ones).
I don't think most of us are taking it that seriously, actually.
Which is basically what I find odd about his whole argument. It's a game, where the implication is that 1) the player does NOT take this seriously AND 2) it's NOT real. LOL
It's totally different than having sex with a horse, in reality or in fiction. LOL
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