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[Seraphim24]

You know I realized why Kaidan was the right choice to sacrifice, it's simply because his dialogue is more adamant that he be the one to be sacrificed, Ashley more the whole say the right thing, "No, it should be me!" It seems more diplomatic... like she says it because she wants to make sure she said the right things, but is also placing it delicately in a way so that if you go "Ok Ash I'm getting Kaidan cya" she would at least a little bit (crap! I didn't really mean that!)

 

Apparently in the voice files there was an option to save both, which would of been the based if they put that in instead.

[Jooblie]

I only saved him in my first playthrough and mostly stuck with Ash for the others. Idk if this leak counts as a spoiler so ill refrain from saying anything. Bioware, make her a brunette, not the other color. Honestly not a big deal, just a request.

[Panda]

I'm not sure what you mean, but are you unable to be be close friend with Kaidan in ME3 if you aren't relationship with him? If the problem is that friendship arcs aren't as developed as romance one's I get it. However I don't think Kaidan being bisexual is the problem here.

[Jooblie]

Well I don't know if I just didn't do something wrong or not seeing he only lived in one of my playthroughs, but I wanted like a sort of really close friends vibe between us and whenever I tried to talk to him he would just come on to me. It seemed like there was only two options, Strictly platonic co-workers, or lovers.

[Panda]

Kaidan is your bro still. He never hits on you, you have to initiate the relationship, and if you didn't, he would treat you as friends for the rest of the game.

 

Maybe it's different with female Shepards, but I think that Kaidan does flirt with female Shepards without need to flirt back. At least it came out of blue for me when he asked if my female Shepard would date him.

[In Exile]

Well I don't know if I just didn't do something wrong or not seeing he only lived in one of my playthroughs, but I wanted like a sort of really close friends vibe between us and whenever I tried to talk to him he would just come on to me. It seemed like there was only two options, Strictly platonic co-workers, or lovers.

I'm pretty sure you have to first buy him a bunch of gifts in ME3 to trigger the romance. Some of which are clearly not platonic. And if you think they are, you may need to revisit how you interact platonically.

[Lady Artifice]

I'm pretty sure you have to first buy him a bunch of gifts in ME3 to trigger the romance. Some of which are clearly not platonic. And if you think they are, you may need to revisit how you interact platonically.

 

I only ever bought him some alcohol at the hospital and delivered the "improves with age" flirt. I could see how someone could take the flirt accidentally. 

 

Well I don't know if I just didn't do something wrong or not seeing he only lived in one of my playthroughs, but I wanted like a sort of really close friends vibe between us and whenever I tried to talk to him he would just come on to me. It seemed like there was only two options, Strictly platonic co-workers, or lovers.

 

 

Though, this is still definitely an exaggeration. I can believe you picked the flirt options on accident, but I've done a friendship run there too, and it's very possible. You have to initiate romantic discussion for it to occur with him. 

[Chardonney]

We start becoming cool again, and the second he becomes my bro again he wants to go balls deep inside my citadel. I really hate how you forced Kaiden to be gay if I wanted a close friendship with him because people were complaining.

 

[daveliam]

I'm pretty sure that Artifice has it right. You have to buy him the bottle of booze and deliver the 'gets better with age' line and then he flirts with you. I guess I can kind of see how someone might mistakenly flirt with him, but the 'gets better with age' line is kinda obviously flirty, no?

Either way, that's as far wait goes unless you continue to flirt with him, though. Basically, stop delivering flirty lines to the bisexual guy if you don't want said guy to flirt with you. It's not terribly difficult to avoid and then you can definitely go the 'bro' route with him. It's not only 'lovers' or 'by the books platonic co-worker'. There is a middle ground.

[Chardonney]

I'm pretty sure that Artifice has it right. You have to buy him the bottle of booze and deliver the 'gets better with age' line and then he flirts with you. I guess I can kind of see how someone might mistakenly flirt with him, but the 'gets better with age' line is kinda obviously flirty, no?

Either way, that's as far wait goes unless you continue to flirt with him, though. Basically, stop delivering flirty lines to the bisexual guy if you don't want said guy to flirt with you. It's not terribly difficult to avoid and then you can definitely go the 'bro' route with him. It's not only 'lovers' or 'by the books platonic co-worker'. There is a middle ground.

 

You're right about the bottle. In the playthroughs were my maleShep romanced Steve, there weren't even hints of romance from Kaidan's part. He was all about friendship, 100%. Same goes for FemShep romancing someone else than Kaidan.

 

In one playthough were I intended my maleShep to actually romance Kaidan, I forgot to buy that bottle and then wondered why things weren't getting anywhere beyond friendship with Kaidan. So, yeah...

[N7Jamaican]

Another post about how someone "accidentally" entered into a homosexual relationship and now they want a toggle feature? I'd say no. Let people romance who they want to romance, and don't romance the ones you don't want. I've considered Kaidan more of a brother to me than Garrus. But I did not enter any type of relationship with him...  

 

This reminds me of that post about Cortez a year or so back when someone said they romanced Cortez by accident, when they wanted to know him better.  Yeah ok.

[Inquisitor_Jonah]

You know I realized why Kaidan was the right choice to sacrifice, it's simply because his dialogue is more adamant that he be the one to be sacrificed, Ashley more the whole say the right thing, "No, it should be me!" It seems more diplomatic... like she says it because she wants to make sure she said the right things, but is also placing it delicately in a way so that if you go "Ok Ash I'm getting Kaidan cya" she would at least a little bit (crap! I didn't really mean that!)

 

Apparently in the voice files there was an option to save both, which would of been the based if they put that in instead.

Realy? Aw too bad they cut this out. If I had the option to save both, I would have done it at least once, even if I despise Ashley. I like to do at least one super paragon playtrough. I just cant sacrifice Kaidan to take her, but if I have the option, It would be a nice way to se her character develop.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Apparently in the voice files there was an option to save both, which would of been the based if they put that in instead.

So there was a way around the terribly contrived choice at Virmire. A shame they cut it. 

[CuriousArtemis]

How about a toggle that stops EVERY HORNY FEMALE CHARACTER THIS SIDE OF THE MILKY WAY from trying to get into my pants?? You had Kaidan to deal with OP. I had Ashley, Liara, Shi'ara, the green asari, Jack, Miranda, Tali, NEED I GO ON.

This crap works both ways. Stop crying because one man hit on you. I'll help you sweep your masculinity up off the floor if you need me to.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Let's see how few words I can use here.....

Toggle is a dev confirmed no. Sometimes your bros like guys. Not a big deal.

Could have gone with just 'no'

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

I'm pretty sure you have to first buy him a bunch of gifts in ME3 to trigger the romance. Some of which are clearly not platonic. And if you think they are, you may need to revisit how you interact platonically.

I didn't even know there was an option to buy gifts.

[CuriousArtemis]

I didn't even know there was an option to buy gifts.

You buy him a bottle of whiskey and then he flirts with you and you flirt back. Then when you go to have dinner on the Presidium, you have to be the one to suggest something more.

[Getorex]

Kaidan is your bro still. He never hits on you, you have to initiate the relationship, and if you didn't, he would treat you as friends for the rest of the game. 

 

They already said a toggle would never be implemented because it could be seen as a way for people to remove gay people from the world. It has been talked about in-depth.

 

Fallout 4 romance is actually very similar to Bioware, but no one complain about it. The characters are very developed in this game, very unlike previous Bethesda games. All their characters are playersexual, and no one really complains about it that much. 

 

I'm ok with playersexual or set orientation as long as they're equal. 2/2/2 is the magic number if they go with set sexuality.

 

 

Looking at it wrong.  You could make SOME characters toggled, or just the romanceable ones so that there's no chance that the ones who are romanceable are never accidently romanced. Other characters are free to be whatever.  It isn't erasing gays from the world if you turn off gay on this or that character because you want your character to be friendly with them but NOT have it get all gay romance with one wrong conversation choice.  

 

Alternative: just as conversations were color coded for renegade or paragon (or whatever), make sure that when applicable conversation choices are identified so it is unambiguous: you select THIS conversation at this point and it is taken as romantic interest.  Then you have full control.  You WANT to romance this character but not that one, so when the time comes and the choices appear, you can CLEARLY make pro- or non-romance convo choices.  Instead of just be nice again and again and then that makes romance, have a separate string of conversations FOR that.  Then there'd be no way to accidently or incongruously start a romance thread with a character you think should be something else.  

[Getorex]

You buy him a bottle of whiskey and then he flirts with you and you flirt back. Then when you go to have dinner on the Presidium, you have to be the one to suggest something more.

 

The flirt is the ruin right there.

 

If I'm buddies with a guy for a long time and suddenly he FLIRTS with me, friendship over. "DUDE!  WTF?  We've ALWAYS been bros, not hand-holders.  Why did you go there?  Now I have to think about everything I say wondering if it's going to send the wrong signal and...why the HELL didn't you let me know long ago you were gay?  It would have made things SO much easier henceforth because you'd know I'm not and I'd know you are and never the two love lives would meet."

 

Plus it would be unlikely that suddenly out of the blue he's into you when he wasn't at all in ME1 (besides, he never survives ME1 to go there because Ashley's just better and hotter but, hey).

[SentinelMacDeath]

Well excuse you good Sir, if Kaidan hits on you in ME3 he was basically pining for you for what ... over 3 years including mourning your death. Now, at the prospect of the galaxy being torn to pieces he musters some courage to ask you to become something more and you flip your **** because of it? 

YOU initiate the romance, you can turn him down just fine. It's not like he's throwing himself at you naked every time you turn a corner (I wouldn't mind that) 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Alternative: just as conversations were color coded for renegade or paragon (or whatever), make sure that when applicable conversation choices are identified so it is unambiguous: you select THIS conversation at this point and it is taken as romantic interest.  Then you have full control.  You WANT to romance this character but not that one, so when the time comes and the choices appear, you can CLEARLY make pro- or non-romance convo choices.  Instead of just be nice again and again and then that makes romance, have a separate string of conversations FOR that.  Then there'd be no way to accidently or incongruously start a romance thread with a character you think should be something else.  

I do like how Dragon Age, particularly Dragon Age: Inquisition, made the flirt options be a side choice and not tied to the three usual choices like being nice. They also give a Heart icon so you know that is an option that may lead to a romance. 

[SentinelMacDeath]

The flirt is the ruin right there.

 

If I'm buddies with a guy for a long time and suddenly he FLIRTS with me, friendship over. "DUDE!  WTF?  We've ALWAYS been bros, not hand-holders.  Why did you go there?  Now I have to think about everything I say wondering if it's going to send the wrong signal and...why the HELL didn't you let me know long ago you were gay?  It would have made things SO much easier henceforth because you'd know I'm not and I'd know you are and never the two love lives would meet."

 

Plus it would be unlikely that suddenly out of the blue he's into you when he wasn't at all in ME1 (besides, he never survives ME1 to go there because Ashley's just better and hotter but, hey).

 

Kaidan is not gay but bisexual and sometimes it takes longer to realize what or who you really want. He even says as much in ME3.

[Getorex]

It's an immersion breaking thing.  

 

Think this way:  

 

You and this girl are friends, been friends for a long time, do things together, have a good time.  You have ZERO romantic feelings for her. She's like a sister to you.  One night she flirts/makes a move on you.  Oops. She clearly is into you in a way that you are not into her. That doesn't just turn off.  It's not a switch.  You are not going to remain friends like you were. Impossible. She's embarrassed and perhaps hurt, still pining away for you. You have no interest. 

 

The end.  Works the other way around. I CANNOT be friends with a girl I want but who doesn't want me back. I WANT to make it go romantic, I WANT it to be romantic, she's interested in some other guy.  Can't go on being "buddies" because that is ALWAYS sitting there.  I cannot just switch it off, no one can.  The relationship changes in an instant and cannot recover to what it was.  

 

Doing that with a character in a game where you were otherwise immersed, breaks it.  It's not "realistic" to think you can just say "no" and all's well.  The bag was dropped right there at your feet and cannot undrop.

 

It's a matter of writing and making sure choices are clearer BEFORE you get to points you didn't want.  It's just a game, sure, but while you're playing it, if it is written and graphic'd well, it takes you into it to some extent.  Getting kicked out of it is...not fun.  Is disruptive.  It's survivable, sure, but it isn't necessary.

[Stakrin]

I think Kaidan was always bi but never came out. So hopefully that makes you feel a bit better.

I disagree with the toggle. Kaidan being closeted, but also able to be a bro or a boyfriend is part of who he is, and in a game where we get to fall in love with each character, it would make no sense to change parts of them.

[Getorex]

I do like how Dragon Age, particularly Dragon Age: Inquisition, made the flirt options be a side choice and not tied to the three usual choices like being nice. They also give a Heart icon so you know that is an option that may lead to a romance. 

 

An excellent way to go.  It's not like it's ambiguous to me if I want to seek romance with a woman.  I don't have to fumble through a few clumsy conversations and hope it means a romance is going to start. I make it known to her pretty much as soon as I have interest.  No ambiguity. No mystery.  No mistake.  Like you describe for DA:I.