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[Pasquale1234]

I've seen porn with less sexual tension.

Porn has sexual tension?

[SentinelMacDeath]

Hmh, maybe you guys should visit threesome thread then

I've been posting there too 

[Battlebloodmage]

Some people use too much time to complain how other people play their game. I don't always agree with mods, but they don't really affect my game anyway so it's quite easy to ignore those you don't care about. Or if you are console player just ignore mods all together..

 

The playersexuality for me is bit of problem, cause in the games where characters are playersexual their romances tend to be paper-thin and it doesn't quite feel like LI's have sexuality at all, it feels superficial. For example Saint Row, there is this one character who says that he doesn't normally swing your way, but wants to try you out anyway. He says this to both male and female protagonists so his sexuality seems to be dependent on the protagonist which feels weird to me. I guess it's possible to make good romances with playersexuality and Bioware has also done pretty good with all LI's bisexual in DA2, but still from what I have seen varied sexualities is best way to go.

If only Bioware doesn't have certain archetype for their sexuality. None of the gay options were ever an actual KISA. It would have been nice to see Bioware's Danse or someone like Cullen as an option for gay romance. ME team is different from DA team, so I'm not sure how they would treat the nonstraight romance in their series. It takes them 3 games to have gay options. All the lesbian options are bisexual up until ME3, Kelly as an option for lesbian doesn't even count as an achievement. In ME3, Kaidan is a cut content from female relationship with a lot of scenes removed while Cortez is an NPC with not as much contents. The amount of romance between straight females vs straight males is already something people pointed out many times. If that's how they choose to do set sexuality for the next ME game, I would rather for them all to be playersexual.

[Shechinah]

But I insist we role-play this because, again, I've seen porn with less sexual tension. 

 

I still hear the music and the oohhh yeeah when I see the scene of Shepard slowly walking towards Kaidan in that light and Kaidan wiping the sweat from his forehead.
 

[Pasquale1234]

In ME3, Kaidan is a cut content from female relationship with a lot of scenes removed while Cortez is an NPC with not as much contents. The amount of romance between straight females vs straight males is already something people pointed out many times. If that's how they choose to do set sexuality for the next ME game, I would rather for them all to be playersexual.

I thought Cortez had quite a lot of content. I felt like he had just as many conversations as any other key crewmember or squadmate, 3 on the Citadel (watching air traffic, at the memorial wall, drinks at Purgatory), plus as the shuttle pilot he was automatically included in the missions.

That said, I really do like all playersexual (or bi/pan) LIs, and a 2/2 or 3/3 would work fine.

[Battlebloodmage]

I thought Cortez had quite a lot of content. I felt like he had just as many conversations as any other key crewmember or squadmate, 3 on the Citadel (watching air traffic, at the memorial wall, drinks at Purgatory), plus as the shuttle pilot he was automatically included in the missions.

That said, I really do like all playersexual (or bi/pan) LIs, and a 2/2 or 3/3 would work fine.

He missed a lot of contents that other companions have, comments by bringing him along for quest, the very idea of bringing your LI on quests, half of his content is about him talking about his husband and getting over it, the amount of interactions with his is also a lot less, just go on youtube and compare to romance video time between him and other romances like Kaidan. It's ME team's first attempt. There's a reason why Bioware declares Dorian as the first gay LI companion like it's a big deal and ignore Cortez also being the first gay LI. 

[Panda]

If only Bioware doesn't have certain archetype for their sexuality. None of the gay options were ever an actual KISA. It would have been nice to see Bioware's Danse or someone like Cullen as an option for gay romance. ME team is different from DA team, so I'm not sure how they would treat the nonstraight romance in their series. It takes them 3 games to have gay options. All the lesbian options are bisexual up until ME3, Kelly as an option for lesbian doesn't even count as an achievement. In ME3, Kaidan is a cut content from female relationship with a lot of scenes removed while Cortez is an NPC with not as much contents. The amount of romance between straight females vs straight males is already something people pointed out many times. If that's how they choose to do set sexuality for the next ME game, I would rather for them all to be playersexual.

 

Mass Effect side hasn't been very good in LGBT+ content. Didn't they first try to claim that Shepard simply is heterosexual? Despite having Asari and Kelly.. But I don't think such tactics will work for Bioware and Mass Effect anymore.

[straykat]

They didn't lose much doing that. Mass Effect was Xbox exclusive originally, and ME2 for sometime as well. It had a specific crowd, that was more or less happy about it.

 

It was so not a bother to them that Casey Hudson said they were making Femshep at a loss and doing it merely as a favor.. which pissed some people off. So he reneged. But it shows what he really thought.

[vbibbi]

They didn't lose much doing that. Mass Effect was Xbox exclusive originally, and ME2 for sometime as well. It had a specific crowd, that was more or less happy about it.

It was so not a bother to them that Casey Hudson said they were making Femshep at a loss and doing it merely as a favor.. which pissed some people off. So he reneged. But it shows what he really thought.

I am not sad that he's gone, regardless of ME3 endings. I have the conspiracy theory that EA fired him after enough time passed that it wouldn't look like they were admitting ME3 was handled poorly.

[straykat]

I am not sad that he's gone, regardless of ME3 endings. I have the conspiracy theory that EA fired him after enough time passed that it wouldn't look like they were admitting ME3 was handled poorly.

 

I am.. he was still the visionary behind the project. Plus, he was the only guy on the main team who seemed to be a big fan of Jack. For that, I commend him. I bet without him, things would have been much worse than they already were. I'll take what I can.

[Panda]

They didn't lose much doing that. Mass Effect was Xbox exclusive originally, and ME2 for sometime as well. It had a specific crowd, that was more or less happy about it.

 

It was so not a bother to them that Casey Hudson said they were making Femshep at a loss and doing it merely as a favor.. which pissed some people off. So he reneged. But it shows what he really thought.

 

He doesn't sound very likeable.

[straykat]

He doesn't sound very likeable.

 

From what I know, he's just.. nerdy and remote. Or something. He's talking strictly numbers and facts. I don't think he meant anything bad by it. And he changed anyways, once people complained.

 

But there's something to say about the bottom line.. and this idea that they need such and such feature. Because according to the guy who managed the whole thing, they didn't.

[Shechinah]

Mass Effect side hasn't been very good in LGBT+ content. Didn't they first try to claim that Shepard simply is heterosexual? Despite having Asari and Kelly.. But I don't think such tactics will work for Bioware and Mass Effect anymore.

 

I've brushed by it but I do not recall much about the story and I do remember how true it is but I do believe that it only involved male Shepard and his sexuality.
 

[Panda]

From what I know, he's just.. nerdy and remote. Or something. He's talking strictly numbers and facts. I don't think he meant anything bad by it. And he changed anyways, once people complained.

 

But there's something to say about the bottom line.. and this idea that they need such and such feature. Because according to the guy who managed the whole thing, they didn't.

 

I'd imagine that his opinion would be different now. Cause Bioware wouldn't get easily away for making game that only had male character as playable, maybe with set protagonist and new IP, but surely not ME.

[straykat]

I'd imagine that his opinion would be different now. Cause Bioware wouldn't get easily away for making game that only had male character as playable, maybe with set protagonist and new IP, but surely not ME.

 

He didn't say he wanted only the male character as playable. He said they were doing the female options as a favor.. and taking a loss. I think it came out the wrong way, but in his weird manner, he wanted people to see they were going the distance for these extra options. He didn't want it taken for granted. But since he probably doesn't have the emotional sensitivity on how that would be taken, people got pissed.

[Panda]

I've brushed by it but I do not recall much about the story and I do remember how true it is but I do believe that it only involved male Shepard and his sexuality.
 

 

So only male Shepard is heterosexual, but fem!Shep players can decide. That doesn't make sense, but since it seems they were only using that for excuse so they don't have to make m/m relationships for Shepards I guess it doesn't have to make sense.

[Shechinah]

There's a reason why Bioware declares Dorian as the first gay LI companion like it's a big deal and ignore Cortez also being the first gay LI. 

 

Actually, I believe it was the media touting and treating Dorian Pavus as if he was the first love interest exclusively interested in the same gender while what emphasis Bioware did put him on regards to his sexuality were about him being the first male love interest exclusively interested in men that was also a companion.

[daveliam]

The "Shep's not gay" thing was basically this:

 

After ME1 was released, people complained a bit that gay male Sheps were the only ones who didn't get any romance options.  Bioware (either Casey or Ray) responded by saying that it was because Shep is a pre-determined character and he's not gay.  People responded that FemShep could be a lesbian and that's when he responded with the ridiculous "Asari aren't female" thing (despite being called an "all female" race in game).  Basically, the argument was that since Liara's species is all-female, it didn't count as a lesbian relationship for FemShep.

 

Then, ME2 came out and FemShep could romance Kelly (even though it didn't count as a full romance).  It was only then (after having no way to explain away FemShepXKelly as not being a f/f relationship) that they reneged on their statement and said that they'd address m/m content in ME3.  All in all, it was embarrassing.

[Shechinah]

So only male Shepard is heterosexual, but fem!Shep players can decide. That doesn't make sense, but since it seems they were only using that for excuse so they don't have to make m/m relationships for Shepards I guess it doesn't have to make sense.

 

Again, I'm not familiar enough with the story to say whether it is true or not but what you posted were one of the arguments I read used to criticize the idea that male Shepard had a set sexuality. If the story is true then the Shepard's set sexuality debacle seems to be an awkward and poorly-thought out excuse as to why there had been no male romances for male Shepard.
 

[Shechinah]

...

 

So it was basically an attempt to make the elephant in the room less noticable by either making it smaller or making it disappear entirely only to fail and instead turn the elephant into a mammoth?
 

[straykat]

To be fair, he always was iffy on what the Asari were. Even without this context. He'd call them "omnisexual" or something. But if you left it to Liara's first writer (Drew K), he definitely spoke of them as if they were "space babes" and all the sci-fi nerdy stuff that entailed. Most people fall in this category.

[Battlebloodmage]

Actually, I believe it was the media touting and treating Dorian Pavus as if he was the first love interest exclusively interested in the same gender while what emphasis Bioware did put him on regards to his sexuality were about him being the first male love interest exclusively interested in men that was also a companion.

Actually, Bioware themselves talked about it, even David Gaider. 

[Panda]

He didn't say he wanted only the male character as playable. He said they were doing the female options as a favor.. and taking a loss. I think it came out the wrong way, but in his weird manner, he wanted people to see they were going the distance for these extra options. He didn't want it taken for granted. But since he probably doesn't have the emotional sensitivity on how that would be taken, people got pissed.

 

Alright. I guess he just worded it badly, though I'd think that nowadays making female option in the game actually pays off.

[straykat]

I still can't help but think of Fenris as gay.. since Gaider said he first conceived him that way.

 

Default FemHawke looks cool with him though.

[Panda]

Actually, Bioware themselves talked about it, even David Gaider. 

 

Gaider talked that Dorian was first gay companion he wrote, it seemed to mean him quite lot.