Alright. I guess he just worded it badly, though I'd think that nowadays making female option in the game actually pays off.
I don't know.. you could be right. But he said this not long ago. During ME3's development. Not before the series was created.
I don't know.. you could be right. But he said this not long ago. During ME3's development. Not before the series was created.
Huh I was expecting that to be something he said after ME1. Well no wonder people didn't like what he said.
Huh I was expecting that to be something he said after ME1. Well no wonder people didn't like what he said.
I think he was calculating the percentage of Femsheps (still fairly low for ME3..at 18% or something), with the cost of those features.. and how it was a loss. I don't know the cost, but I guess I'll take his word for it. He just wanted people to know that. But it backfired.
Gaider talked that Dorian was first gay companion he wrote, it seemed to mean him quite lot.
I wasn't a fan of Dorian. I personally wouldn't like the first gay companion quest to be about being gay. I have seen that plot have been talked about hundreds of times on TV. I would have liked for his story to be about him being something other than gay. You don't see Sera or even Samantha has a plot revolved around their sexuality. With Cortez, he has a dead husband, with Dorian, he has the gay conversion plot. This is why I don't have very good confidence with set sexuality, with the way the distribution and content were handled.
Mass Effect side hasn't been very good in LGBT+ content. Didn't they first try to claim that Shepard simply is heterosexual? Despite having Asari and Kelly.. But I don't think such tactics will work for Bioware and Mass Effect anymore.
To be fair BioWare can do whatever the hell they want. But realistically BioWare as a company prides themselves on the inclusivity in there games so I'd be real shocked if we don't see the DA:I approach again.
No, to the person whose friend you acted to be.
I (theoretical me) didn't act like their friend, I acted like someone with romantic interest in them. That's the whole point.
I (theoretical me) didn't act like their friend, I acted like someone with romantic interest in them. That's the whole point.
If person only approached other with romantic interest I'd call no as answer being rejected rather than friendzoned.
I gotta say this friendzone tangent really delivered.
I wasn't a fan of Dorian. I personally wouldn't like the first gay companion quest to be about being gay. I have seen that plot have been talked about hundreds of times on TV. I would have liked for his story to be about him being something other than gay. You don't see Sera or even Samantha has a plot revolved around their sexuality. With Cortez, he has a dead husband, with Dorian, he has the gay conversion plot. This is why I don't have very good confidence with set sexuality, with the way the distribution and content were handled.
I can see this point, but that was story that writer wanted to tell I guess.
To be fair BioWare can do whatever the hell they want. But realistically BioWare as a company prides themselves on the inclusivity in there games so I'd be real shocked if we don't see the DA:I approach again.
They can, but not without consequences.
If person only approached other with romantic interest I'd call no as answer being rejected rather than friendzoned.
Sure, if no is the answer. Sometimes the given answer is neither yes or no (but internally, their answer is no). That's being friendzoned.
The "Shep's not gay" thing was basically this:
After ME1 was released, people complained a bit that gay male Sheps were the only ones who didn't get any romance options. Bioware (either Casey or Ray) responded by saying that it was because Shep is a pre-determined character and he's not gay. People responded that FemShep could be a lesbian and that's when he responded with the ridiculous "Asari aren't female" thing (despite being called an "all female" race in game). Basically, the argument was that since Liara's species is all-female, it didn't count as a lesbian relationship for FemShep.
Then, ME2 came out and FemShep could romance Kelly (even though it didn't count as a full romance). It was only then (after having no way to explain away FemShepXKelly as not being a f/f relationship) that they reneged on their statement and said that they'd address m/m content in ME3. All in all, it was embarrassing.
I don't understand tho, if they never had the intention to include m/m romances then why did they record lines for gay romances with Kaidan or Thane? MaleShep can even say "I'm only interested in men" when rejecting Liara in ME1.
I wasn't a fan of Dorian. I personally wouldn't like the first gay companion quest to be about being gay. I have seen that plot have been talked about hundreds of times on TV. I would have liked for his story to be about him being something other than gay. You don't see Sera or even Samantha has a plot revolved around their sexuality. With Cortez, he has a dead husband, with Dorian, he has the gay conversion plot. This is why I don't have very good confidence with set sexuality, with the way the distribution and content were handled.
his quest wasn't just about him being gay though, sure it was part of it because it leads up to all the BS with his family but the biggest part of why Dorian left his home was because his father wanted to do that blood ritual on him. Who knows if Dorian would have stayed if not for the blood magic.
I don't understand tho, if they never had the intention to include m/m romances then why did they record lines for gay romances with Kaidan or Thane? MaleShep can even say "I'm only interested in men" when rejecting Liara in ME1.
I'm sure they chickened out, times were different 8 years ago
I have always thought that "friendzoned" referred solely to the scenario where one person (normally a girl) decides that she views a new male acquaintance as a platonic friend instead of a potential romantic partner.
I've never heard of these other 'rules' and 'definitions' that people are talking about.
I can see this point, but that was story that writer wanted to tell I guess.
They can, but not without consequences.
What consequences tho? A few more angry people on the forums? Not that it really matters, I don't see a repeat of the ME Trilogy in regards to romances.
@Belial:
You're using too much logic. The reality is that they made the conscious decision to offer f/f options but not m/m options. Instead of just owning it, they tried to explain it away and ended up embarrassing themselves.
I have always thought that "friendzoned" referred solely to the scenario where one person (normally a girl) decides that she views a new male acquaintance as a platonic friend instead of a potential romantic partner.
I've never heard of these other 'rules' and 'definitions' that people are talking about.
because that's the exact definition. It's used by young guys to cry about how nice they are all the time to the girl and she doesn't give them anything in return... as if niceness has to be purchased with a romantic attachment
his quest wasn't just about him being gay though, sure it was part of it because it leads up to all the BS with his family but the biggest part of why Dorian left his home was because his father wanted to do that blood ritual on him. Who knows if Dorian would have stayed if not for the blood magic.
A lot of his plot has to do with him being gay like the gay conversion with blood magic, his father wants him to continue the bloodline and marry a woman. As I said, it was a huge part of his storyline, and it seems like exclusively gay character has his sexuality as the forefront part instead of just a part of them. Anders' lover was killed when you first meet him as well. I just personally don't like how the gay characters have been handled by Bioware so far. Maybe it will change with the next game, I'm hoping it's just something that they're happened to be in the next game.
I have always thought that "friendzoned" referred solely to the scenario where one person (normally a girl) decides that she views a new male acquaintance as a platonic friend instead of a potential romantic partner.
I've never heard of these other 'rules' and 'definitions' that people are talking about.
Yeah, that is my interpretation as well. And also, one can follow up said friend-zoning with these easy to remember responses.
1. "Ah, okay."
2. "Yeah, no."
@Belial:
You're using too much logic. The reality is that they made the conscious decision to offer f/f options but not m/m options. Instead of just owning it, they tried to explain it away and ended up embarrassing themselves.
Did they embarrass themselves? I don't think enough people care tbh.
In fact, I think it's hard for these people to be embarassed in general. I rarely see it on anything. They have the art of doubling down.
A lot of his plot has to do with him being gay like the gay conversion with blood magic, his father wants him to continue the bloodline and marry a woman. As I said, it was a huge part of his storyline, and it seems like exclusively gay character has his sexuality as the forefront part instead of just a part of them. Anders' lover was killed when you first meet him as well. I just personally don't like how the gay characters have been handled by Bioware so far. Maybe it will change with the next game, I'm hoping it's just something that they're happened to be in the next game.
I absolutely get what you're saying
Yeah honestly it's very hard to follow the topic of this thread... I keep thinking I was going to post in here but there's just too much other stuff going on, it's maybe because the topic itself is quite generic, perhaps it would be more productive to have all these discussions in separate threads on their own topics.
because that's the exact definition. It's used by young guys to cry about how nice they are all the time to the girl and she doesn't give them anything in return... as if niceness has to be purchased with a romantic attachment
its used two different ways
One, and based on my completely anecdotal experience the more common, version is simply a modern take on the idea of "unrequited love" where one person is interested romantically and the other is not. That just happens
The other version is the more "sinister" (for want of a better word) of wanting sexual favors in return for mundane actions of kindness
its used two different ways
One, and based on my completely anecdotal experience the more common, version is simply a modern take on the idea of "unrequited love" where one person is interested romantically and the other is not. That just happens
The other version is the more "sinister" (for want of a better word) of wanting sexual favors in return for mundane actions of kindness
I don't know what you're talking about...
But both of these sound horrible for a game. lol.
Sure, if no is the answer. Sometimes the given answer is neither yes or no (but internally, their answer is no). That's being friendzoned.
Or it's being polite and not wanting to hurt someone's feelings. If you don't get simple yes or no it's your choice to walk away or stay in "waiting room", no need to complain. And well it's not like people always get "no" unless you are really straight-forward and rude about it. Have been in couple situations where the person just didn't seem to get it.
What consequences tho? A few more angry people on the forums? Not that it really matters, I don't see a repeat of the ME Trilogy in regards to romances.
Not a few. I mean they would lose customers and fans who do not only purchase their games, but also every extra stuff they put out. They'd lose fan-creators, game-youtubers. It would be all over gaming news. The outrage might be as big as with Ubisoft's: we can't do women! Though it would depend on how they would explain it though.
EDIT: Unrelated, but I suddenly have Jade Empire Icon, that's cool I didn't know there was one to get 
Still missing ME1 and 2 though.
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