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[Anvos]

So I probably missed the boat and somebody has brought this up before since I waited for Black Friday sales to get the remaining DAI DLC but anyway here it is,

 

Could the reason Kal Sharok survived be because they found a titan/lyrium heart?

 

Before it had been assumed they survived by doing something that meddled with the power of the blight, but Descent offers this new possibility and this could explain a lot.

 

Kal Sharok dwarves are said to be noticeably different than the other dwarves by the few who have seen them in person and the Sha Brytol pretty much are as well as glowing blue eyes is a give away the Sha Byrtol aren't going to be quite the same under that armor.

 

Even by dwarf standards the Kal Sharok dwarves are antisocial and that is a great similarity with the Sha Brytol and would explain why even though they have reason to dislike Orzamar they still are antisocial to the rest of the world if their protecting a titan/lyrium heart.

 

Kal Sharok's very position also seems to aid this theory as if you think about it being on the outskirts of the old empire, lyrium wouldn't have been mined as much giving lyrium time to form a titan/lyrium heart.

 

Kal Sharok dwarves are supposedly good at collapsing/sealing tunnels, while this could just be dwarf explosives I have my doubts most people in the deep roads would know the difference between explosive boom and boom of somebody(s) bringing down a section with earth shaker type powers.

[vbibbi]

So I probably missed the boat and somebody has brought this up before since I waited for Black Friday sales to get the remaining DAI DLC but anyway here it is,

 

Could the reason Kal Sharok survived be because they found a titan/lyrium heart?

 

Before it had been assumed they survived by doing something that meddled with the power of the blight, but Descent offers this new possibility and this could explain a lot.

 

Kal Sharok dwarves are said to be noticeably different than the other dwarves by the few who have seen them in person and the Sha Brytol pretty much are as well as glowing blue eyes is a give away the Sha Byrtol aren't going to be quite the same under that armor.

 

Even by dwarf standards the Kal Sharok dwarves are antisocial and that is a great similarity with the Sha Brytol and would explain why even though they have reason to dislike Orzamar they still are antisocial to the rest of the world if their protecting a titan/lyrium heart.

 

Kal Sharok's very position also seems to aid this theory as if you think about it being on the outskirts of the old empire, lyrium wouldn't have been mined as much giving lyrium time to form a titan/lyrium heart.

 

Kal Sharok dwarves are supposedly good at collapsing/sealing tunnels, while this could just be dwarf explosives I have my doubts most people in the deep roads would know the difference between explosive boom and boom of somebody(s) bringing down a section with earth shaker type powers.

Quite possibly. I was hoping that the Descent would take place in Kal Sharok before it was released. And don't the companions wonder if the Sha Brytol are tainted creatures before we learn that they're lyrium-infused?

 

And the last levels in the Descent are darkspawn free due to the proximity to the Titan's heart, so that would explain why Kal Sharok survived Blights despite being cut off from the Dwarven Empire.

 

They must have retained their sanity or willingness to interact with outsiders, though, which is a notable difference with the Sha Brytol.

[Dai Grepher]

I think it's darkspawn free because of the Sha-Brytol.

 

My impression is that Kal-Sharok is hiding a dark secret, not a titan. It's something they are ashamed of. Something that would hurt their pride as a kingdom. Yet, they have interacted with surfacers before. So not all of them are affected, but they are still mostly isolationist.

 

It is possible that they are like the Sha-Brytol. I just think it's too much of a stretch given their bitterness. The Sha-Brytol were violent against all outsiders. I doubt the dwarves of Kal-Sharok would be able to coexist with Sha-Brytol. And if they are like Valta, then I see no reason for their bitterness and distrust. They can be cautious without being spiteful. I mean, Valta was able to keep people out if she wanted. And having a connection to a titan should mellow them out in all honesty. It would be like Andrastians making contact with the Maker, and being given some new powers over certain aspects of reality. So if Kal-Sharok was able to find a titan, would they really still be so mad at Orzammar for failing to save them hundreds of years ago? Especially since Orzammar's failure led to Kal-Sharok's success and independence?

 

That's why I think they're hiding something dark. They survived only because they did something sinister, and that's why they still blame Orzammar for their current state. It's why they are unwelcoming.

[In Exile]

The implication was always that Kal-Sharok dwarves are tainted. That was the belief. Now with what we've seen of red lyrium, perhaps the more likely answer is that they've build a culture closer to what we saw in the ancient thaig were we found the lyrium idol in DA2. 

[Dai Grepher]

Hmm. Is it possible that Kal-Sharok is being led by another Darkspawn Magister?

[Xerrai]

I always thought that they were somewhat blighted (corrupted titan?idk).

 

But to be honest your theory doesn't sound too bad. It could be that they merely found a slumbering titan while they were being (presumably) harassed by darkspawn hordes when they were separated from Orzamaar but don't quite have the same affiliation the Sha-Brytol do.

[In Exile]

Hmm. Is it possible that Kal-Sharok is being led by another Darkspawn Magister?

 

It's possible. I think that would be a cool idea. We need a fresh take on a Magister beyond the amnesiac Architect and the in-denial Corypheus. 

[Anvos]

Honestly there likely aren't any reasonable  Magister Lords and/or High Dragon Priests left that entered the Black/Golden City and returned tainted.  Just seems logical that any of them without Cory's revenge objective or Archi's transcend/control the darkspawn objective wouldn't have just suicided by now either from the initial "What have I done?" moment upon regaining some free will after Archdemon Dumat's final death or just giving up after centuries to millennia of a cure for their condition going nowhere.

[Dai Grepher]

Honestly there likely aren't any reasonable  Magister Lords and/or High Dragon Priests left that entered the Black/Golden City and returned tainted.  Just seems logical that any of them without Cory's revenge objective or Archi's transcend/control the darkspawn objective wouldn't have just suicided by now either from the initial "What have I done?" moment upon regaining some free will after Archdemon Dumat's final death or just giving up after centuries to millennia of a cure for their condition going nowhere.

 

Well, the carvings of Razikale's followers imply a female Magister. If so, she might be a broodmother. Maybe even the first. In which case she would likely be immobile.

 

One was eaten by another. It's unknown if that one respawned elsewhere or died.

 

Corypheus seems to not remember seeing any of the others emerge from the Black City.

 

So that's possibly three dead, one possibly immobile.

 

That leaves at least three roaming around. According to the dwarven testimony in DA:I, three of them were arguing about what happened to them and whose fault it was.

 

My impression is that the Magisters won't kill themselves, at least not until after having their revenge on the old gods. And they all probably stay separate from each other to avoid conflict and the constant reminder of what they are. Seeing as how ancient Tevinter had a working relationship with the dwarven empire, I can see at least one Darkspawn Magister forming an alliance with some dwarves.

 

I can see Kal-Sharok agreeing to such an alliance as well, if it means surviving the taint and keeping the darkspawn away. A Darkspawn Magister with the right knowledge would be able to command the darkspawn to stay away. Such a Magister would also be able to provide their Shaperate with historical information (fragmented most likely) and give them some clues as to how to restore the dwarven empire.

[vbibbi]

What about the magister hinted at in the ancient journals found in the Descent?

[Dai Grepher]

You mean the scaled ones? I don't remember a Descent codex that mentions a Darkspawn Magister. But it's possible one of the Darkspawn Magisters controls them.

[vbibbi]

The text from the Chronicles of a Forgotten War have been interpreted to suggest one of the darkspawn magisters was involved. The altar of fire suggests it could be the priest of Toth. It's not conclusive, but raises some new questions...

 

 

The Scaled Ones. I can't remember who came up with the name, but it stuck. Drohg had been lighting a torch when one attacked, and we finally caught a glimpse of something other than shadows. In the flame's light, we saw a man's body like those of the Imperium humans, but covered in scales. It wore armor and even had a dagger hanging from its hip.

...

The Scaled Ones had set up a camp at an intersection in the Deep Roads. In the center there was a golden altar fashioned in the shape of fire. A chill swept through me. On the tip of each flame hung the corpses of those we'd lost—including Father and Drohg. They'd been drained of blood, leaving only bone wrapped in grey skin. A robed Scaled One stood before the altar. Its voice was different from the others: softer, almost feminine. It chanted and raised a basin of blood towards the altar. The other Scaled Ones bowed low. The robed Scaled One produced fire from its palm and mouth and ignited the blood.

[thats1evildude]

I think the Scaled Ones are an elaborate joke and they were actually krogan. I base this on the krogan head I found next to a Codex about the Forgotten Ones.

http://forum.bioware...in-the-descent/

[vbibbi]

I really hope not, as that would be Bio seriously trolling the fans. The moon men or whatever from the JOH journals was clearly a joke so not meant to be taken seriously, but there isn't any indication that the Forgotten Wars are a joke. If the krogan head had not been present in other parts of the game (Winter Palace comes to mind) and if we hadn't seen those rocks painted with lizardpeople drawings in the Emerald Plains, I'd be more inclined to see this.

 

Plus the MO of draining the victims of blood isn't reminiscent of the krogan at all. And I wouldn't describe krogan as being shaped like people, but as twice the size of a person, with a distinctive humped back that doesn't mimic the hominid form.

[Anvos]

Interesting theory, my own thoughts on the scaled ones is that possibly ancient tevintar had a stronger version of the Reaver transformation that brought out full dragon traits and they could have been remnants of that or failed prototypes depending on exact timing, or alternatively if people can use their magic to turn into dragons why couldn't the reverse be true of dragons could use their power to turn into humanoids.