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[BloodBeforeTears]

There will always be things for people to waste time on hating, I've never understood the whole "lolReegar" hate myself, it's just a gun in a co-op multiplayer game.

Agreed. That said, there was a time when I very much despised the Acolyte, lol.

[DaemionMoadrin]

I don't really feel writing a novel here.  If you tried using the PPR as your sole weapon vs. cerb, you would understand.  The weapon has a ramp up with reduced damage.  You have dragoons and phantoms running all over the damn place.  They will get in your face.  The PPR sux at close range and it sux at staggering.  You will likely not stagger the phantom or dragoon - they will stagger you or you will have to dodge.  When you get staggered or dodge, you have to start the ramp up again - now you are at reduced damage with less ammo - but the ramp up does not care about your remaining clip - it still takes just as long.  Next thing you know, you'll be out of ammo and still be getting sh!t on by cerbs.  Nemesis suck unless you can stagger them... the list goes on.  The typhoon gives no f**ks about cerbs.  Its ramp up does not incur reduced damage per bullet and you can reload at will.  Sure, phantoms still suck, but if you can't ace them with an entire typhoon clip at close range, then you have some l2p issues.  Plus it staggers better, plus it has innate piercing, which allows you to rock warp rounds without reduced damage... that list goes on too.

 

Bullshit.

 

The one with l2p issues here is you. If you have problems with Cerberus staggering you, then what about Geth?

 

Just headshot everything with the PPR and done. I have no idea why that's such a drama...

[PatrickBateman]

Agreed. That said, there was a time when I very much despised the Acolyte, lol.

It's another gun lots of people seem to dislike strongly, never quite understood that either....

[PatrickBateman]

Bullshit.

The one with l2p issues here is you. If you have problems with Cerberus staggering you, then what about Geth?

Just headshot everything with the PPR and done. I have no idea why that's such a drama...

The difference are the Dragoons, especially on platinum, Geth don't have any unit like them. For geth you can use RHA for the most part as they move very slow, the dragoons charges you very quickly.

[BloodBeforeTears]

Bullshit.

The one with l2p issues here is you. If you have problems with Cerberus staggering you, then what about Geth?

Just headshot everything with the PPR and done. I have no idea why that's such a drama...

You have an ID-10-T problem. #inb4lock #inb4banned

[BloodBeforeTears]

It's another gun lots of people seem to dislike strongly, never quite understood that either....

It just irked me that such a powerful weapon could always be carried for free, with virtually no penalty to weight capacity. If you're planning on taking a sole weapon, might as well take an Acolyte with you - probably won't even cost you a microsecond of cooldown time.

[LemurFromTheId]

I don't really feel writing a novel here.  If you tried using the PPR as your sole weapon vs. cerb, you would understand.  The weapon has a ramp up with reduced damage.  You have dragoons and phantoms running all over the damn place.  They will get in your face.  The PPR sux at close range and it sux at staggering.  You will likely not stagger the phantom or dragoon - they will stagger you or you will have to dodge.  When you get staggered or dodge, you have to start the ramp up again - now you are at reduced damage with less ammo - but the ramp up does not care about your remaining clip - it still takes just as long.  Next thing you know, you'll be out of ammo and still be getting sh!t on by cerbs.  Nemesis suck unless you can stagger them... the list goes on.  The typhoon gives no f**ks about cerbs.  Its ramp up does not incur reduced damage per bullet and you can reload at will.  Sure, phantoms still suck, but if you can't ace them with an entire typhoon clip at close range, then you have some l2p issues.  Plus it staggers better, plus it has innate piercing, which allows you to rock warp rounds without reduced damage... that list goes on too.

 

Not my experience at all. I don't do solos, but I've never had any particular problem with Cerb when lazoring, host or not. Dragoons do their dodge the moment the beam touches their face - which means they're already dead - and Phantom will shy away from the beam too.

[BloodBeforeTears]

Not my experience at all. I don't do solos, but I've never had any particular problem with Cerb when lazoring, host or not. Dragoons do their dodge the moment the beam touches their face - which means they're already dead - and Phantom will shy away from the beam too.

That's cool. I would love to see a solo w/ ppr (sole weapon) vs cerb on any kit done in a reasonable amount of time. Unfortunately, there are no ppr vs cerb vids (for any kit) in the gold speedruns HOF (probably with good reason).

[Arkhne]

My prefered weapon against Cerberus is the Cobra Missile Launcher. I hate them with a passion, fking space ninjas. On the flip side, I love collectors, favourite faction, even Mr. buttlazors is tolerable.

[LemurFromTheId]

That's cool. I would love to see a solo w/ ppr (sole weapon) vs cerb on any kit done in a reasonable amount of time. Unfortunately, there are no ppr vs cerb vids (for any kit) in the gold speedruns HOF (probably with good reason).

 

Kislitsin has one:

 

 

(Is 25:59 a reasonable time?)

[BloodBeforeTears]

Kislitsin has one:

 

 

(Is 25:59 a reasonable time?)

 

Thanks for posting.  This vid seems pretty representative of what to expect when using the ppr as a sole weapon vs cerb.  It's pretty much hell.  Props to kitslitsin for persevering.  I will not be putting myself through that.

[DaemionMoadrin]

That's cool. I would love to see a solo w/ ppr (sole weapon) vs cerb on any kit done in a reasonable amount of time. Unfortunately, there are no ppr vs cerb vids (for any kit) in the gold speedruns HOF (probably with good reason).

 

Headshot the dragoons/phantoms and you don't get staggered. Is that such a difficult concept?

[LemurFromTheId]

Thanks for posting.  This vid seems pretty representative of what to expect when using the ppr as a sole weapon vs cerb.  It's pretty much hell.  Props to kitslitsin for persevering.  I will not be putting myself through that.

 

I only took a quick peek at some random parts in the vid, but to me it looks like I expected it to: Phantoms and Dragoons consistently dodge when hit in the face and die quickly when/if the aim is true.

 

Kislitsin is an excellent player, but there seemed to be quite a lot of weird decisions and even mediocre shooting in that vid (which is not something I'd expect from him), so just because things might get hairy at times I wouldn't count that against PPR as a weapon against Cerberus.

 

Also, PPR isn't an ideal weapon for close combat in general. I'd expect that any Glacier solo with it could be chaotic at times.

[Xaijin]

 AxA.

 

Don't think his head will fit in there unless it's a banshee

[Xaijin]

Basically, if you're going to take a PPR, you might as well just take the damn typhoon.  At least that way it won't be as annoying.

 

 

 

Except with the build you have you could use a hurricane instead for half the TTK, you're literally just using it to mop, hell you could just use a striker with I4 to double detonate and stagger all the things if you're going full ham gimmick.

[BloodBeforeTears]

I only took a quick peek at some random parts in the vid, but to me it looks like I expected it to: Phantoms and Dragoons consistently dodge when hit in the face and die quickly when/if the aim is true.

Kislitsin is an excellent player, but there seemed to be quite a lot of weird decisions and even mediocre shooting in that vid (which is not something I'd expect from him), so just because things might get hairy at times I wouldn't count that against PPR as a weapon against Cerberus.

Also, PPR isn't an ideal weapon for close combat in general. I'd expect that any Glacier solo with it could be chaotic at times.

They die quickly if the ramp up has been completed AND they are not moving so rapidly that the bead cannot be maintained. There are other factors in the case of the vid, namely the ppr (as well as typhoon) does not synergize well with overload. Harrier / arc pistol is going to own over the ppr on any kit w/ overload vs. Cerb on glacier every time. In the case of the ACA, ppr/typhoon makes more sense then harrier / arc pistol. Since cooldowns are longer, can't spam DC / DS often enough to land consistent headshots with the harrier/arc pistol, so might as well take advantage of sustained fire during cooldown. My argument was that the typhoon was generally better than the ppr vs cerb on the ACA. This is obviously subjective. I have a 30 min solo vs. Cerb w/ typhoon on white w/ ACA, and will try to find one w/ ppr for comparison.

[BloodBeforeTears]

Except with the build you have you could use a hurricane instead for half the TTK, you're literally just using it to mop, hell you could just use a striker with I4 to double detonate and stagger all the things if you're going full ham gimmick.

Obviously. I've used the reegar with this build and it cut about 10 min off the time. I'm more interested in ppr vs typhoon. Specifically on the ACA, and to a lesser extent the destroyer.

[PatrickBateman]

Headshot the dragoons/phantoms and you don't get staggered. Is that such a difficult concept?

Unless you're the TechnoTurian that's easier said than done in a Cerberus platinum solo, the Dragoons are the worst part of a PPR solo. I've done it a few times with the TGI which works as he have overload, doing it with a kit that don't have any staggering power is a lot more difficult. I did a Cerberus solo using the vanilla human infiltrator with the Lancer, the Dragoons made it quite a challenge.

[Loufi]

Headshot the dragoons/phantoms and you don't get staggered. Is that such a difficult concept?

It's not that easy in solos where you get the full attention of the enemies, especially VS Cerberus, because Phantoms and Dragoons. Those enemies are fast, can stagger you and are partly immune to stagger. If we retake the tsent example above, Overload don't stagger Phantoms, unlike most other humanoids enemies of the other factions. Dragoons can be staggered by Overload, but once they're in charge mode, they're unstoppable. In Cerberus plat wave 9, you have 3 Dragoons on the map at the same time. Killing them all before they reach you isn't always possible. It's doable at the beginning of the wave when you are positioned at the best RHA spot on the map, but once you start moving, they will inevitably spawn on your flank or in your back, obliging you to reposition in order to put enough distance to deal with the PPR ramp-up. You don't have this issue with, for instance, the Harrier, because the gun is immediatly "hot" and staggers better.  

 

Globally any solo VS cerberus without a good staggering weapon is quite challenging. Most plat solos against this faction features either Venom, Scorpion, Acolyte or Arc pistol (a weapon that can 1-2 shot Phantoms and Dragoons with a headshot) for this reason. As for the PPR specifically, this gun has been used 72 times for a plat solo, but only 15 times as a sole weapon. If I had to bet on the main reason explaining this big difference, I would put my coin on one enemy : Phantoms.       

[Loufi]

Unless you're the TechnoTurian that's easier said than done in a Cerberus platinum solo, the Dragoons are the worst part of a PPR solo. I've done it a few times with the TGI which works as he have overload, doing it with a kit that don't have any staggering power is a lot more difficult. I did a Cerberus solo using the vanilla human infiltrator with the Lancer, the Dragoons made it quite a challenge.

Unless she is using the Arc pistol, Techno often takes an anti-Phantoms / goons weapon. 

[PatrickBateman]

Unless she is using the Arc pistol, Techno often takes an anti-Phantoms / goons weapon.

True, but she's crazy skilled at head shots, especially with the Arc pistol.

[Loufi]

True, but she's crazy skilled at head shots, especially with the Arc pistol.

Nah, she is a scrub. Let's take advantage that it's the night in the US and badmouth TTT while she is asleep !   

[PatrickBateman]

Nah, she is a scrub. Let's take advantage that it's the night in the US and badmouth TTT while she is asleep !

Indeed, and Slasher really sucks at soloing Collectors, I'd beat him any day in the Thunderdome!

[JRandall0308]

Jeez, people, you're playing the freakin' ACA. You've got Dark Channel for all your Phantom / Dragoon needs. DC staggers and you can follow up with a quick Seeker Swarm for a Biotic Explosion if you need additional stagger.

 

That said I'm not a solo master like y'all, but I've never had a problem playing the ACA + PPR on Gold or Platinum vs. any faction in team games.

[frank_is_crank]

Nah, she is a scrub. Let's take advantage that it's the night in the US and badmouth TTT while she is asleep !   

 

Indeed, and Slasher really sucks at soloing Collectors, I'd beat him any day in the Thunderdome!

 

Don't let me start about how often I had to carry exclusum through a plat duo.

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Modifié par frank_is_crank, 15 décembre 2015 - 01:51 .