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The playing field is changing. Long story short, game interface devices (GID) are now beginning to inch toward the online 'cloud' medium. Many implications here that I would rather not get into but in the future imagine your GID will be any flat screen anywhere with the internet substituting for the hard drive.
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Posté 04 février 2010 - 11:59
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Rulian wrote...
wrong wrong wrong
The playing field is changing. Long story short, game interface devices (GID) are now beginning to inch toward the online 'cloud' medium. Many implications here that I would rather not get into but in the future imagine your GID will be any flat screen anywhere with the internet substituting for the hard drive.
Personally, I doubt that. While the Cloud has some uses (as a Steam user I'd be hypocritcal to disavow it's uses whilst I have multiple uninstalled games that are still registered to me and can be downloaded at any time and place to any machine with Steam installed) I do not see it subplanting computers with hard drives and suchlike. There are a lot of issues with transmitting data (such as an entire game's processes) and anytime the Cloud's servers went down all services related to said servers would die with them. To say nothing of lag, etc.
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Posté 05 février 2010 - 01:29
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There are far too many people that like to hold the game and manual in their hands.
I tried Steam once, for Jade Empire, and still don't feel like I own the game. Also, I like to lend my games out, which downloading prevents.
I still like to buy CDs too, and rarely download music. I am archaic, I know!!!
I tried Steam once, for Jade Empire, and still don't feel like I own the game. Also, I like to lend my games out, which downloading prevents.
I still like to buy CDs too, and rarely download music. I am archaic, I know!!!
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Posté 05 février 2010 - 07:32
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Little Paw wrote...
There are far too many people that like to hold the game and manual in their hands.
I tried Steam once, for Jade Empire, and still don't feel like I own the game. Also, I like to lend my games out, which downloading prevents.
I still like to buy CDs too, and rarely download music. I am archaic, I know!!!
i hear ya. i got the da collector's edition hard copy. i still prefer the actual copy to a download. the only games i download are small games or cheap ones probably not in stores anymore.
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 12:27
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Those of you blaming "women" for your lack of fun games need to get your heads out of the sand and spare the world your sexism. More and more girls and women are playing games, and more and more of us are becoming hardcore and moderate gamers. Have you seen the number of female posters here on the forums lately? I guess there's some resentment for women invading the "men only club" that you guys had, but I think it is testament to the fact that the developers are paying more attention to what women want in games. By that I don't mean casual--and while I can't speak for all women, I will say that RPGs are my favorite genre. I love stories. I love to read, I write fiction on my spare time, and I'm a sucker for a good movie. I think most women who are hardcore gamers are like me: we like a good plot, well-written characters, and a little romance doesn't hurt. And let's not forget that some of these maligned womenfolks were on the Dragon Age dev team (and probably the Mass Effect team as well). Evidently a lot of men feel the same way in regard to plot and characterization as women do, surprise surprise. See? Good times are had by all.
You also seem to forget that games are also becoming more accessible to those non-nerds who've suddenly been introduced to time-wasting casual games. Housewives and kids aren't the only ones who are casual gamers. Some of you men probably enjoy a casual game from time to time, too, when you don't have the time to spend five hours straight on the latest Bioware release.
I think the real issue that you have with casual gaming is that the gaming industry is changing so that it can lure players from each side to the other side of gaming--casual or hardcore. And--you can hate me for saying it if you will--I do not think that this is necessarily a bad thing, or even necessarily a permanent thing. Right now, the gaming industry is in a flux. There are new methods of gaming and of providing games. There are more casual gamers, but also more hardcore--and a growing group of people who fall in between. I think there are, in fact, a large pool of "moderate" gamers who stand between casual and hardcore already. Expect there to be more games pointed toward this demographic in the future, as well as lots more for the casual gamers, as developers begin to find ways to cash in on this group. There will still be hardcore games--games that take hours of your time, either on PC or on console, and that will be of outstanding quality. You will know them when they are released, like DAO or Mass Effect 2, or any other such title. I will know them as well, despite being one of those darn womenfolks who just won't know her place and stay in the kitchen. And I will play them, because nine times out of ten, the casual games and the moderate games will not give me the kind of experience I want and expect from a game. But that's okay, because there will be someone else who will love them.
You also seem to forget that games are also becoming more accessible to those non-nerds who've suddenly been introduced to time-wasting casual games. Housewives and kids aren't the only ones who are casual gamers. Some of you men probably enjoy a casual game from time to time, too, when you don't have the time to spend five hours straight on the latest Bioware release.
I think the real issue that you have with casual gaming is that the gaming industry is changing so that it can lure players from each side to the other side of gaming--casual or hardcore. And--you can hate me for saying it if you will--I do not think that this is necessarily a bad thing, or even necessarily a permanent thing. Right now, the gaming industry is in a flux. There are new methods of gaming and of providing games. There are more casual gamers, but also more hardcore--and a growing group of people who fall in between. I think there are, in fact, a large pool of "moderate" gamers who stand between casual and hardcore already. Expect there to be more games pointed toward this demographic in the future, as well as lots more for the casual gamers, as developers begin to find ways to cash in on this group. There will still be hardcore games--games that take hours of your time, either on PC or on console, and that will be of outstanding quality. You will know them when they are released, like DAO or Mass Effect 2, or any other such title. I will know them as well, despite being one of those darn womenfolks who just won't know her place and stay in the kitchen. And I will play them, because nine times out of ten, the casual games and the moderate games will not give me the kind of experience I want and expect from a game. But that's okay, because there will be someone else who will love them.
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 12:43
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Thanks Brass..but please keep the sexism claim off the thread. There is no sexism in this thread anywhere I can see.
I have a wife and a daughter who game, and when I was a kid in the 80's Mom's and little girls did not game as much as they do now.
This is not sexism it is a fact.
Neither play very in depth games either.
I know plenty of women who do, but the fact is, many female gamers fall into the casual gamer category. Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing are not hardcore games. They are casual games, and had no market 20 years ago until more women played consoles.
Developers are paying more attention to CASUAL GAMERS.
This mentioned by many people, across many threads.
Everything you mention in your post validates the casual gamer creating less of a market for in depth PC games.
Accessible = more casual
Non nerds = definitely more casual
Luring new gamers = casual
Most gamers now would scoff at taking the time to play a pen and paper game, or taking the time to read a very involved instruction manual.
The point is that the larger the crowd, the more watered down the product gets...it happens with movies, TV, music, etc.
More hardcore gamers? Where, Korea? Not in the US. World of Warcraft alone has killed the amount of companies that can even try and develop new games or even stay in business.
Thanks for your post, and keep posting, but no comment in this thread can be considered sexism...everyone posting here has rational back up for their statements.
Often people who claim any "'ism" have their own issues and axe to grind. Grind elsewhere please, but if you want to add to the discussion based on my original post, or others comments, please do so without insulting us. No one here is sexist. And if so, please quote it, and show us exactly how so.
Companies have metrics to measure many things, and female consumerism and purchasing patterns is one of them. That is not sexist. Without female gamers these companies would be far less successful, but there are certainly more and more games aimed at the casual female gamer (man, I wanted to throw that Hello Kitty game out of the window when my daughter played that years ago, LOL)
That said, I am getting my daughter into far more complex games. She is eight, and plays SPORE...so hopefully she catches up to your level of interest in gaming Brass...I am working on her!!!
I have a wife and a daughter who game, and when I was a kid in the 80's Mom's and little girls did not game as much as they do now.
This is not sexism it is a fact.
Neither play very in depth games either.
I know plenty of women who do, but the fact is, many female gamers fall into the casual gamer category. Harvest Moon and Animal Crossing are not hardcore games. They are casual games, and had no market 20 years ago until more women played consoles.
Developers are paying more attention to CASUAL GAMERS.
This mentioned by many people, across many threads.
Everything you mention in your post validates the casual gamer creating less of a market for in depth PC games.
Accessible = more casual
Non nerds = definitely more casual
Luring new gamers = casual
Most gamers now would scoff at taking the time to play a pen and paper game, or taking the time to read a very involved instruction manual.
The point is that the larger the crowd, the more watered down the product gets...it happens with movies, TV, music, etc.
More hardcore gamers? Where, Korea? Not in the US. World of Warcraft alone has killed the amount of companies that can even try and develop new games or even stay in business.
Thanks for your post, and keep posting, but no comment in this thread can be considered sexism...everyone posting here has rational back up for their statements.
Often people who claim any "'ism" have their own issues and axe to grind. Grind elsewhere please, but if you want to add to the discussion based on my original post, or others comments, please do so without insulting us. No one here is sexist. And if so, please quote it, and show us exactly how so.
Companies have metrics to measure many things, and female consumerism and purchasing patterns is one of them. That is not sexist. Without female gamers these companies would be far less successful, but there are certainly more and more games aimed at the casual female gamer (man, I wanted to throw that Hello Kitty game out of the window when my daughter played that years ago, LOL)
That said, I am getting my daughter into far more complex games. She is eight, and plays SPORE...so hopefully she catches up to your level of interest in gaming Brass...I am working on her!!!
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Posté 06 février 2010 - 12:48
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Oops...double newberific posting....
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Posté 09 février 2010 - 01:30
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UK Games Chart: Feb 8th
UK Games Chart: Feb 1st
Okay, so maybe this is why PC gaming doesn't receive the attention it once did. In the two weeks Mass Effect 2 has been out in the UK, PC sales reached a paltry 12% of total sales in the first week, followed by 10% the next. I think I too would be more concerned about putting out a high quality console version of the game, than spending time appealing to the wishes of a small minority of PC consumers.
I still don't think the PC is dead as a platform, but neither do I expect developers to stake everything on a PC release that will probably be pirated to death and see very few sales in contrast to a console release. It has nothing to do with casual gaming, it's just a simple fact that the majority of the user base will play this game on a console, not a PC.
Also, Littlepaw, I'm afraid to say it's demeaning in the extreme to denounce Animal Crossing as a rubbish casual game that exists only because of women. I don't see a scrap of rational reasoning it beyond your own personal opinion. The same for insisting more women play games now than they did in the 80's. You can say exactly the same about men.
The only fact is that videogaming has gone from being a relatively niche pursuit, to one that's enjoyed by an ever broader demographic of people. It's silly to complain that certain games exist because of certain demographics. No-one moans that Soaps exist on television or that documentaries are for old people. No-one suggests that it was a bad day when group X started watching television because then worse television programmes came along.
Maybe the gaming community and videogames in general will be taken more seriously when we stop being so petty and tribalist as we are now. If we're not moaning about casuals, we're saying we're the kings of the castle for playing games on platform X instead of platform Y. It's silly. Especially when incredible games like Mass Effect 2 are still coming out to sate the appetites of 'hardcore' gamers and on more than one platform to boot.
UK Games Chart: Feb 1st
Okay, so maybe this is why PC gaming doesn't receive the attention it once did. In the two weeks Mass Effect 2 has been out in the UK, PC sales reached a paltry 12% of total sales in the first week, followed by 10% the next. I think I too would be more concerned about putting out a high quality console version of the game, than spending time appealing to the wishes of a small minority of PC consumers.
I still don't think the PC is dead as a platform, but neither do I expect developers to stake everything on a PC release that will probably be pirated to death and see very few sales in contrast to a console release. It has nothing to do with casual gaming, it's just a simple fact that the majority of the user base will play this game on a console, not a PC.
Also, Littlepaw, I'm afraid to say it's demeaning in the extreme to denounce Animal Crossing as a rubbish casual game that exists only because of women. I don't see a scrap of rational reasoning it beyond your own personal opinion. The same for insisting more women play games now than they did in the 80's. You can say exactly the same about men.
The only fact is that videogaming has gone from being a relatively niche pursuit, to one that's enjoyed by an ever broader demographic of people. It's silly to complain that certain games exist because of certain demographics. No-one moans that Soaps exist on television or that documentaries are for old people. No-one suggests that it was a bad day when group X started watching television because then worse television programmes came along.
Maybe the gaming community and videogames in general will be taken more seriously when we stop being so petty and tribalist as we are now. If we're not moaning about casuals, we're saying we're the kings of the castle for playing games on platform X instead of platform Y. It's silly. Especially when incredible games like Mass Effect 2 are still coming out to sate the appetites of 'hardcore' gamers and on more than one platform to boot.
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Posté 09 février 2010 - 02:46
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Dead Space 2 wont be on the pc. :/
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 12:23
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You really can't point to ME as an example of the "watering down" of PC games. Comparing the Mass Effect series to other more traditionally developed RPGs as example to this is fine and great, but it would be an unfair comparison.
From my perspective, ME was always a FPS in disguise. With ME 2 we're just seeing the franchise move closer to that, i.e. simplified menus, and inventory. Like an FPS, it's accessible, fast, and keeping the focus on the gunplay rather than sorting through stacks of useless guns and armor that won't see use once you've got your endgame gear.
As far as the RPG elements go in ME 2, they're still there and largely unchanged from the first. At least when it comes to character and plot choices. It's not like we're talking Baldur's Gate level text trees to begin with. It was never meant to be. ME is about staying in the moment.
So, what you view as a "watering down", I prefer to see as evolving towards a leaner, more approachable FPS/RPG experience.
From my perspective, ME was always a FPS in disguise. With ME 2 we're just seeing the franchise move closer to that, i.e. simplified menus, and inventory. Like an FPS, it's accessible, fast, and keeping the focus on the gunplay rather than sorting through stacks of useless guns and armor that won't see use once you've got your endgame gear.
As far as the RPG elements go in ME 2, they're still there and largely unchanged from the first. At least when it comes to character and plot choices. It's not like we're talking Baldur's Gate level text trees to begin with. It was never meant to be. ME is about staying in the moment.
So, what you view as a "watering down", I prefer to see as evolving towards a leaner, more approachable FPS/RPG experience.
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 02:48
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I love PC gaming but i don't have the money to simply add a new video card every 6-12 months ...That's simply why Console Gaming is better for the overall customer who is on a limited budget..They can buy 1 ( Example)xbox 360 and know the game you want 4 years from now will work right and wouldn't have to worry will my video card will allow me to play it...
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 04:31
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Seraosha wrote...
UK Games Chart: Feb 8th
UK Games Chart: Feb 1st
Okay, so maybe this is why PC gaming doesn't receive the attention it once did. In the two weeks Mass Effect 2 has been out in the UK, PC sales reached a paltry 12% of total sales in the first week, followed by 10% the next. I think I too would be more concerned about putting out a high quality console version of the game, than spending time appealing to the wishes of a small minority of PC consumers.
I still don't think the PC is dead as a platform, but neither do I expect developers to stake everything on a PC release that will probably be pirated to death and see very few sales in contrast to a console release. It has nothing to do with casual gaming, it's just a simple fact that the majority of the user base will play this game on a console, not a PC.
Also, Littlepaw, I'm afraid to say it's demeaning in the extreme to denounce Animal Crossing as a rubbish casual game that exists only because of women. I don't see a scrap of rational reasoning it beyond your own personal opinion. The same for insisting more women play games now than they did in the 80's. You can say exactly the same about men.
The only fact is that videogaming has gone from being a relatively niche pursuit, to one that's enjoyed by an ever broader demographic of people. It's silly to complain that certain games exist because of certain demographics. No-one moans that Soaps exist on television or that documentaries are for old people. No-one suggests that it was a bad day when group X started watching television because then worse television programmes came along.
Maybe the gaming community and videogames in general will be taken more seriously when we stop being so petty and tribalist as we are now. If we're not moaning about casuals, we're saying we're the kings of the castle for playing games on platform X instead of platform Y. It's silly. Especially when incredible games like Mass Effect 2 are still coming out to sate the appetites of 'hardcore' gamers and on more than one platform to boot.
If you can back up what you say I will accept it.
Animal Crossing does not exist without casual female fans. Did I say it was rubbish? Are you putting words in my mouth? Maybe i should have said it was designed to appeal to women...is that less "demeaning"?
Listed as the number one girl game here....and other places if you look:
www.girlgamezone.com/top-games-girls.html
Do the research.
I played it too, after my wife and daughter did. It's fun. I liked getting the music on Saturday night's at the pub.
More men play games??? I am going by percentage of the total. Sorry if I was not clear.
If you mean more men, as in more people, yes, but there are a higher percentage of women in the total gaming community compared to 20 years ago.
Read up:
www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE49202W20081003
I run a business. Product usage, and the statistics of users are very important in designing any product.
Demeaning? This is a discussion, not a war of words.
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 04:34
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Oh, and no one is moaning Seraosha.
We are discussing.
There are dozens of statistics and articles about how casual gaming has been a boon to the industry.
When people say watered down for the casual gamer they are talking about streamlined games that are designed for ease of use.
Didn't say it is bad...but it is not as complex as what the traditional PC gamer enjoys.
The thread is about PC gaming becoming watered down, and eventually less existent...can that be denied?
If so, fire away.
We are discussing.
There are dozens of statistics and articles about how casual gaming has been a boon to the industry.
When people say watered down for the casual gamer they are talking about streamlined games that are designed for ease of use.
Didn't say it is bad...but it is not as complex as what the traditional PC gamer enjoys.
The thread is about PC gaming becoming watered down, and eventually less existent...can that be denied?
If so, fire away.
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 04:41
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and finally...
"Okay, so maybe this is why PC gaming doesn't receive the attention it once did. In the two weeks Mass Effect 2 has been out in the UK, PC sales reached a paltry 12% of total sales in the first week, followed by 10% the next. I think I too would be more concerned about putting out a high quality console version of the game, than spending time appealing to the wishes of a small minority of PC consumers."
This is not WHY it receives less attention, it is what has BECOME of PC gaming. Things led to this...the decline of PC gaming did not invent itself.
If anyone can point to anything other than the casual gamer, and the success of consoles leading to less PC game development please add to the discussion.
Most opinions to the contrary seem to be conjecture and based on emotional responses.
"Okay, so maybe this is why PC gaming doesn't receive the attention it once did. In the two weeks Mass Effect 2 has been out in the UK, PC sales reached a paltry 12% of total sales in the first week, followed by 10% the next. I think I too would be more concerned about putting out a high quality console version of the game, than spending time appealing to the wishes of a small minority of PC consumers."
This is not WHY it receives less attention, it is what has BECOME of PC gaming. Things led to this...the decline of PC gaming did not invent itself.
If anyone can point to anything other than the casual gamer, and the success of consoles leading to less PC game development please add to the discussion.
Most opinions to the contrary seem to be conjecture and based on emotional responses.
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ClosingRacer wrote...
I love PC gaming but i don't have the money to simply add a new video card every 6-12 months ...That's simply why Console Gaming is better for the overall customer who is on a limited budget..They can buy 1 ( Example)xbox 360 and know the game you want 4 years from now will work right and wouldn't have to worry will my video card will allow me to play it...
Word - the best experience is usually the most expensive.
Speaking strictly about material posession here (before some spiritual response about money not meaning anything).
It will be interesting when the next generation of consoles come out.
Will PCs keep up and also be affordable?
I still think PC gaming will continue to shrink by leaps and bounds.
If I am wrong, good for me...I will always have a quality PC to play on. I fear I am a minority though.
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 05:44
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Victoria 2, Hearts of Iron series of Europa Universalis series do not requiere a über-machine to work and they´re amazing games; quite much the proof that some companies still "keep it cool".ClosingRacer wrote...
I love PC gaming but i don't have the money to simply add a new video card every 6-12 months ...That's simply why Console Gaming is better for the overall customer who is on a limited budget..They can buy 1 ( Example)xbox 360 and know the game you want 4 years from now will work right and wouldn't have to worry will my video card will allow me to play it...
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 06:53
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Everyone knows eventually the PC market will mostly be of games like Cute Knight.
Not terrible, but we'd be too incredibly geeky to be considered worth a solid investment anymore.
Not terrible, but we'd be too incredibly geeky to be considered worth a solid investment anymore.
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 01:24
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Little Paw wrote...
Animal Crossing does not exist without casual female fans. Did I say it was rubbish? Are you putting words in my mouth? Maybe i should have said it was designed to appeal to women...is that less "demeaning"?
Listed as the number one girl game here....and other places if you look:
www.girlgamezone.com/top-games-girls.html
Do the research.
On the web page you cite there is a personal hand picked best game list by someone called Paige, which is hardly representative of all female gamers. This is then followed by a Top overall games for Girls list which is topped by Grand Theft Auto III ¬_¬ Either way, I'm not going to base my opinions on the lists of two girls on some random games portal.
I don't particularly care that you have played Animal Crossing. I've played Spore and think it's wonderfully complex for an allegedly casual game. My point was that one of the aims of this entire thread has been to denounce casual games as lesser experiences, as well as the fact that you can't blame a perceived shift to casual games development solely on women.
Little Paw wrote...
"Okay, so maybe this is why PC gaming doesn't receive the attention it once did. In the two weeks Mass Effect 2 has been out in the UK, PC sales reached a paltry 12% of total sales in the first week, followed by 10% the next. I think I too would be more concerned about putting out a high quality console version of the game, than spending time appealing to the wishes of a small minority of PC consumers."
This is not WHY it receives less attention, it is what has BECOME of PC gaming. Things led to this...the decline of PC gaming did not invent itself.
I did also point out piracy and the primacy of console gaming in my post you know.
The Top 10 Most Pirated Games of 2008
The Most Pirated Games of 2009
Why give anything to PC gamers when there's every chance that half as many or more of the copies of your game will be illegally downloaded? There isn't as much money to be made out of the Triple A blockbuster PC release there once was. The internet has changed the face of PC gaming.
I mean just look at those figures. Millions of sales lost and in two hard years for the games industry. Most of the big publishers are struggling for profitability and ensuring that there are innovative and exciting new games generally. Imagine what the world would be like if we had actually bought all those pirated copies and given publishers and developers the financial security necessary to focus more on this platform or that genre.
Arguably, the PC has rightfully declined as a gaming platform that relies on boxed products as desired by some in this thread. Instead, online MMO's of varying nature have taken off as well as 'social' and 'casual' games. I wouldn't say that was a decline however. Just, the way we play games on PC is evolving because gamers have proven that their appetite for paying things is all but non existent in the era of the torrent.
If people don't want to pay for a boxed product, there are other ways to get games to PC gamers, what with there being in excess of a billion people on the internet. Why not deliver a 'hardcore' game through facebook, funded through micro transactions? Or ad-based games? Due to broadband being better, PC's base hardware being better, what's to stop developers delivering good core gaming experiences through the browser as opposed to the money sink of boxed release dependent on that small handfull with full fledged gaming PC's and a conscience that prevents them torrenting.
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 02:32
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All good points. I only cited that one opinion. yes. I am not doing all of your research for you. LOL If I decide to write a thesis on the subject I will let everyone know.
No one said casual gamers are not enjoying themselves or are not a valid part of the gaming world. The point of my post, which you still have not addressed is the lack of gaming depth. Games overall, since consoles have taken off, have become more streamlined, easier to play and are focused on ease of use. Have you read the whole thread? There are some great points made here. Starcraft, Diablo III will certainly mark a return for PC based games, but that is few and far between. The Witcher II will also have that PC feel.
You list symptoms, which is fine, but the journey that brought us here is just as important. I will admit, that I was unaware that pirating was taking such a toll on companies wanting to develop for PC first. That's a shame. And illegal. Not something I will ever take part in. I work for hard my dollar, and would not dream of taking another person's dollar away by stealing their product. It's as much a crime as any other kind of theft in my opinion.
Also, your solution is certainly valid, and the gaming industry is already doing it. The success of STEAM and other download cites are more prevalant, but again, the hardcore PC gamer likes the package, the manual, the stuff you get in the box! I am strictly a PC gamer...I only play consoles if my kids ask me to. My son DID grab both Syberia I and Syberia II from my library for his laptop, and that made me a little porud. My experience is dwindling over the past 10 years or so, and was the basis of my original post.
No one said casual gamers are not enjoying themselves or are not a valid part of the gaming world. The point of my post, which you still have not addressed is the lack of gaming depth. Games overall, since consoles have taken off, have become more streamlined, easier to play and are focused on ease of use. Have you read the whole thread? There are some great points made here. Starcraft, Diablo III will certainly mark a return for PC based games, but that is few and far between. The Witcher II will also have that PC feel.
You list symptoms, which is fine, but the journey that brought us here is just as important. I will admit, that I was unaware that pirating was taking such a toll on companies wanting to develop for PC first. That's a shame. And illegal. Not something I will ever take part in. I work for hard my dollar, and would not dream of taking another person's dollar away by stealing their product. It's as much a crime as any other kind of theft in my opinion.
Also, your solution is certainly valid, and the gaming industry is already doing it. The success of STEAM and other download cites are more prevalant, but again, the hardcore PC gamer likes the package, the manual, the stuff you get in the box! I am strictly a PC gamer...I only play consoles if my kids ask me to. My son DID grab both Syberia I and Syberia II from my library for his laptop, and that made me a little porud. My experience is dwindling over the past 10 years or so, and was the basis of my original post.
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Posté 10 février 2010 - 10:15
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In yet another blow to PC gaming, EA announced Dead Space 2 will not be developed for the PC.
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Wrath of Doom wrote...
In yet another blow to PC gaming, EA announced Dead Space 2 will not be developed for the PC.
Case closed?
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Posté 11 février 2010 - 01:35
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Little Paw wrote...
Wrath of Doom wrote...
In yet another blow to PC gaming, EA announced Dead Space 2 will not be developed for the PC.
Case closed?
Not yet. PC will always be the best platform because high powered graphics cards give you the best eye candy and the best online experience...if you can afford a decent rig. Unfortunately, therein lies the problem with the PC platform. Consoles are the most affordable medium and so that is the preferred platform for bringing in the highest sales figures. It takes real initiative on a dev's part to take the time to harness the power of current generation cards rather than develop for five year old consoles and transfer some half assed port. This will always be the case until high powered rigs become more affordable. Monkeys will fly out of my ass before that happens.
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Posté 11 février 2010 - 01:39
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Seraosha wrote...
Why give anything to PC gamers when there's every chance that half as many or more of the copies of your game will be illegally downloaded? There isn't as much money to be made out of the Triple A blockbuster PC release there once was. The internet has changed the face of PC gaming.
It is just as easy to pirate console games. Easier in some cases.
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Posté 11 février 2010 - 03:59
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Wrath of Doom wrote...
In yet another blow to PC gaming, EA announced Dead Space 2 will not be developed for the PC.
To be fair, EA made Command And Conquer 4 a pc exclusive.
ClosingRacer wrote...
I love PC gaming but i don't have
the money to simply add a new video card every 6-12 months ...That's
simply why Console Gaming is better for the overall customer who is on
a limited budget..
A 8800GT will still run pretty much every game on the market above console settings.
It's what, 3 years old?
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Posté 11 février 2010 - 05:00
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Purely out of curiosity because the only console I have ever owned is a Sega Master System (it´s packed somewhere back in my grandmother´s home now): can you overclock a console?
