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[greenbrownblue]

Hey there.  So when I approached Cole at the Winter Palace (Trespasser DLC) and he said:

 

“He did not want a body, but she asked him to come.  He left a scar when he burned her off his face.”  

and

"Bare-faced but free, frolicking, fighting, fierce. He wants to give Wisdom, not orders."

 

He is obviously referring to Mythal and Solas. I was wondering... Is it possible that Fen'Harel used to be a spirit of wisdom that'd had Mythal's vallaslin on his face (he has a scar on his forehead)? Or maybe he is still somehow tied to a spirit? Could spirits be like people, just without a physical body? And by "be like people" I mean for example love like normal people do. There is an awkward banter.  Blackwall asks if there were spirits that "were more than just friends", Solas answers that "nothing about the Fade or spirits is simple, epecially not that." He seems to be very close with spirits (of wisdom and purpose) and he hints that before the Veil was created, spirits had been a "part of the natural world".

 

Now, let's talk about the balcony scene and break up scene. Even if you did not romance Fen'Harel, he asks the Inquis what was he/she like before the anchor and wants to know if the anchor somehow affected him/her (and his/her spirit). Here is the rest of the dialogue for elven Inquis: 

 

S: You are not what I expected.

I: I don't think of myself as different from anyone. [SOLAS SLIGHTLY DISSAPROVES]
S: Perhaps not in the form of your body, no. You have shown (...) wisdom that goes against everything I expected. If the Dalish could raise someone like you, have I misjudged them?

 

Body is one form. But what is the other form? Is it the spirit? We know that the orb was an elven artifact, so the anchor could affect all races and make them more "elfish", causing a connection to the Fade and a connection to the spirits which are "a part of the natural world". Solas does not see that wisdom in for example Cassandra or Lelliana.

 

Okay, let's talk about the break up scene. This is what Solas says: "You have a rare and marvelous spirit... In another world". So he mentions the spirit again. 

 

What I find interesting is that Dalish always get everything wrong. They worship evanuris, mark themselves with vallaslin and repeat fake stories that they do not even understand. Annndddd Dalish do not practice any magic that involves spirits... In DA2 Merril says that Dalish believe that "there is no such thing as a good spirit". Which could be the next thing that they are doing wrong and it was just another propaganda against Fen'Harel.

 

In the Trespasser DLC we also meet guardian spirits. We can hit them, they can hit back, they are intelligent and they can serve. My question is, why guardian spirits in the Trespasser DLC did not have a physical body? Cole says that Solas did not want a body. What are the benefits and disadvantages of having a body? 
 

Also Fen'Harel's name is "Solas" which means "pride" and pride demon is a form that a spirit of wisdom takes when is twisted against its purpose. When Solas says that he does not want the Inquisitor to see what he becomes, does he mean there is a risk of the spirit side of him turning into a demon? Think about it: "Spirits wish to join the living and the demon is that wish gone wrong"

 

So even though Solas might have a spirit inside him, or used to be a spirit, he is not a spirit now/ There is a dialogue between Cole and Solas that proves it:

 

Cole: You don't need to envy me, Solas. You can find happiness in your own way.

Solas: I apologize for disturbing you, Cole. I am not a spirit, and sometimes it is hard to remember such simple truths.

Cole: They are not gone so long as you remember them.

Solas: I know.

Cole: But you could let them go.

Solas: I know that as well.

Cole: You didn't do it to be right. You did it to save them.

Inquisitor: Solas, what is Cole talking about?

Solas: A mistake. One of many made by a much younger elf who was certain he knew everything.

Cole: You weren't wrong, though.

Solas: Thank you, Cole.

 

Does not this dialogue makes you feel as if Solas misses something?  Does he miss being Solas or does he miss being a spirit?

 

When we meet Solas in the Trespasser DLC he explains "I was Solas first, "Fen'Harel" came later... An insult that I took as a badge of pride. (...) The Dread Wolf inspired hope in my friends and fear in my enemies." It reminds me of Anders and how spirit of Justice changed his life. Friends could count on his help and enemies were afraid of him.

 

Could this theory somehow explain why "this world has to die in order for the elves to return"? How the Trespasser DLC affected our knowledge about the spirits? Can we verify Chantry's and Avvar's theories on spirits? Could a connection to a spirit cause immortality? Is it the spirit that takes the body or is it the body that takes the spirit? Who is independent in such a "relationship"? 

 

I know that people are fast to negate and slow to agree, but try to do both in your comments. Or if there is someone smart out there - try to dig in deeper into the above theory or modify it somehow.

 

EDIT: One more important find. There is a dialogue between Solas and Cole that supports my idea:

 

Cole: You're different, Solas. Sharper. You're in both places.

Solas: I visit the Fade regularly. Perhaps you are sensing traces of it.

Solas: You are a spirit who crossed the Veil and took human form.

Cole: Spirit or demon.

Solas: The two are not so dissimilar, Cole.

Solas: While the world may exert a pull in one direction or another, the choice is ultimately yours.

 

Is it possible that Cole is sensing the spirit part of Solas tied to the Fade?

EDIT 2: Here is a vid that I recently created. It is deaf-friendly (subtitles) ^^ !

 

[ComedicSociopathy]

Bravo, my friend. Some pretty great analysis up there.

 

I've always thought that the elves were originally spirits or at the very least many ancient elves were spirits that turned into physical beings like Cole did. Of course, if that were true then how would those spirits embody emotions if there were no physical beings around before the elves? Perhaps the dwarves were really first race on Thedas. Who knows?

 

Anyways, I think Solas just making new elves by using the Cole method would explain how he plans on repopulating Thedas. 

[ModernAcademic]

Sometimes DA manages to contradict itself. It's rare, but it happens.

 

We learn in Origins that spirits have no wish to cross to the physical world,  that demons are the ones always attempting to leave the Fade.Therefore, spirits only come to our world in special circumstances, such as being summoned by those who seek wisdom, justice and other noble ideals. We see examples in the case of Wynne, who was possessed by a benevolent guardian from the Fade shortly after her death and in Justice possessing Anders after hearing his plight in defense of the mages. 

 

And then, all of a sudden, along comes Solas and states spirits wish to join the living.

 

What. The Hell.

[BansheeOwnage]

I definitely think that might be where they're going with Solas and the ancient elves (or at least the Evanuris, which may explain why they were so much more powerful than their subordinates). Or something like it, at least. I don't remember if this is true, but I seem to recall Solas evading one of Cole's questions asking if Solas had seen other spirits manifest as he had. Having Cole in Inquisition is a perfect bridge-character if they do plan on revealing the ancient elves as manifested spirits.

 

Spirits are also naturally immortal and have inherent magic, qualities shared by the elvhen. But these powers come from the fade, and when the veil was created, they were sundered. A sub-theory is that the Evanuris were originally benevolent or neutral spirits who became demons. This would mean the Dalish stories as well as Solas' accounts are both partly true. Andruil was the Goddess of the Hunt, but devolved into a Goddess of Sacrifice. Falon'Din was a Guide for the Dead, but was twisted from his purpose. Maybe how he saw his responsibility was warped until he viewed killing people as helping them in some way, so he could guide them. That they were lost otherwise. Or maybe he was just plain arrogant like Solas said. I don't know, I'm just rambling

 

Edit: I forgot to say that Solas said the Evanuris were "the first of [his] people", or at least among them. So that might support the idea that the first elvhen - the most powerful - were manifested spirits who spawned the rest of the elves. The Evanuris would be among that group, which would explain why they are so hard to kill according to Solas (body hopping), and would even explain why Mythal and Elgar'nan are viewed as the All-Mother and All-Father by the Dalish.

[Evamitchelle]

The game does seem to point towards Solas having been a spirit before. We know from Cole that it's possible for spirits to get a physical body. There's also this interesting banter between Solas and Cole:

Solas: You may well become fully human, after all. I never thought to see it.
Cole: When did you see it before?
Solas: I didn't say that I had.
Cole: No you didn't. It's harder to hear sometimes. Sorry.

Solas isn't denying that he's seen it before, just that he never said he did. That's exactly the kind of double-speak he uses throughout he game.

Also I think it's exaggerating to say that the Dalish got everything wrong. Given the timeframe (a few millennia), the fact that they lost access to the Vir'Dirthara where all their written records were and that they were enalaved for a few centuries, they actually got the broad strokes right. They're mostly lacking in details. For example, they view vallaslin as a way to honor the gods, each god as a specific marking attributed to them. And well, all of that is true. In Arlathan it was just restricted to slaves. Another example: they teach that Fen'Harel locked away the gods, which is why they couldn't intervene in their war with the humans. That's correct too.

That Merrill quote is a bit out of context too. She means that there is no such thing as a good spirit and a bad demon, because spirits and demons are the same. That's what Solas says as well.

[Aren]

Why this world have to die?

Solas::A good question but not one i will answer

[BansheeOwnage]

The game does seem to point towards Solas having been a spirit before. We know from Cole that it's possible for spirits to get a physical body. There's also this interesting banter between Solas and Cole:

Solas: You may well become fully human, after all. I never thought to see it.
Cole: When did you see it before?
Solas: I didn't say that I had.
Cole: No you didn't. It's harder to hear sometimes. Sorry.

Solas isn't denying that he's seen it before, just that he never said he did. That's exactly the kind of double-speak he uses throughout he game.
emon, because spirits and demons are the same. That's what Solas says as well.

Yes, that's the banter I was thinking of! Thanks for posting.

[Anvos]

1. Ancient Elves like the Magister Lords had the powers of high magic so they could do what they wanted pretty much as long as they had the knowledge of how and when we already know shapeshifting was possible ancient elves likely weren't tied to a set form before the veil, that doesn't however say they didn't have a natural form originating in the physical world.

 

Not to mention DAO pretty much showed ancient elves in Uthenera still had a physical form left behind when they were no more.

 

Also by themselves fade creatures (spirits/demons) mostly appear as they are described being personifications of their ideal rather than a full person, unless they've latched on to the life of somebody else they can mimic.

 

2. Without the veil or any natural barrier that may have once existed before the Evanuris/Ancient Elf Empire Spirits and Demons where just as naturaly manifest as birds/cows/wolves and other creatures.  As seen in the memory books some of them willingly walked amongst and interacted with the ancient elves and nothing would stop binding or merging with one (though those were probably far greater feats to do against a spirit/demon's will without a lot of their power locked up in the fade). 

 

Honestly I say Solas' assumption that the Evanuris were prodigious mages just like him is likely inaccurate or a self delusion he had to spread to feel like they could be more readily defeated.  DAO pretty much showed ancient elves could die of things other than old age and pass beyond the fade as other physical beings can upon death.  Seems far more likely the Evanuris and Forgotten were special in the means of being elder elf mages who merged with the most ancient fade spirits and demons, hence why Mythal turned into a wisp like being that eventually found Flemmeth.

 

3. Answer is plainly he is delusional and his pride blinds him to any assumption but the one he wants to be true, even though hard facts seem to say his precious elves and the dwarves are more likely the ones to go extinct by such a cataclysm when humanity survived its primitive days during a veilless world and the Magister Lords achieved High Magic even with the Veil up.

[greenbrownblue]

The game does seem to point towards Solas having been a spirit before. We know from Cole that it's possible for spirits to get a physical body. There's also this interesting banter between Solas and Cole:

Solas: You may well become fully human, after all. I never thought to see it.
Cole: When did you see it before?
Solas: I didn't say that I had.
Cole: No you didn't. It's harder to hear sometimes. Sorry.

Solas isn't denying that he's seen it before, just that he never said he did. That's exactly the kind of double-speak he uses throughout he game.

Also I think it's exaggerating to say that the Dalish got everything wrong. Given the timeframe (a few millennia), the fact that they lost access to the Vir'Dirthara where all their written records were and that they were enalaved for a few centuries, they actually got the broad strokes right. They're mostly lacking in details. For example, they view vallaslin as a way to honor the gods, each god as a specific marking attributed to them. And well, all of that is true. In Arlathan it was just restricted to slaves. Another example: they teach that Fen'Harel locked away the gods, which is why they couldn't intervene in their war with the humans. That's correct too.

That Merrill quote is a bit out of context too. She means that there is no such thing as a good spirit and a bad demon, because spirits and demons are the same. That's what Solas says as well.

Oh yes, that quote that banter that you wrote might mean that spirits used to become fully human. Good find.

About Merill, here is the dialogue: 

 

Merrill: Are you all right?

Anders: I nearly killed an innocent girl. How could I be all right?

Merrill: I'm sorry.

Anders: You're sorry? For me? This could be you! You could be the next monster threatening helpless girls!

Merrill: Anders... There's no such thing as a good spirit. There never was.

Merrill: All spirits are dangerous. I understood that. I'm sorry that you didn't.

 

and the other

 

Anders: Do Dalish honestly not recognize the difference between demons and beneficial spirits?

Merrill: We've never thought of the Fade as the home of our gods.

Merrill: It is another realm, another people's home. No different or more foreign than, say, Orzammar.

Varric: You can say that again.

Anders: But have you never studied the types of demons? They break down very clearly into different sins—

Merrill: Spirits differ from each other, just as you and Hawke and Isabela are all human.

Merrill: More or less...

So yeah, you are right. Elves do believe that spirits and demons are kinda the same, the way good people and bad people are too. 

I am glad you wrote this reply, because thanks to you I stumbled upon another Solas-Cole banter that actually supports my theory and I could add it to the original post  

 

Cole: You're different, Solas. Sharper. You're in both places.

Solas: I visit the Fade regularly. Perhaps you are sensing traces of it.

Solas: You are a spirit who crossed the Veil and took human form.

Cole: Spirit or demon.

Solas: The two are not so dissimilar, Cole.

Solas: While the world may exert a pull in one direction or another, the choice is ultimately yours.

[sylvanaerie]

Very interesting and well thought out discussion.  I have nothing to add except, thank you for the interesting read. 

[greenbrownblue]

Bravo, my friend. Some pretty great analysis up there.

 

I've always thought that the elves were originally spirits or at the very least many ancient elves were spirits that turned into physical beings like Cole did. Of course, if that were true then how would those spirits embody emotions if there were no physical beings around before the elves? Perhaps the dwarves were really first race on Thedas. Who knows?

 

Anyways, I think Solas just making new elves by using the Cole method would explain how he plans on repopulating Thedas. 

Lady insanity has a very convincing theory on the Titans. She believes that after Mythal was murdered, a Titan revived her and so she became an agent of the Titan ("Alas, as long as the music plays, we dance"). From an Easter Egg in the Trespasser DLC (Deep Roads) we know that there is a mural showing a titan and Solas, so there surely is some connection.
Ah, what is awesome about DA is that it tells a story about so many things: titans, chantry, elves, humans, qunari, spirits, etc. 

[greenbrownblue]

Sometimes DA manages to contradict itself. It's rare, but it happens.

 

We learn in Origins that spirits have no wish to cross to the physical world,  that demons are the ones always attempting to leave the Fade.Therefore, spirits only come to our world in special circumstances, such as being summoned by those who seek wisdom, justice and other noble ideals. We see examples in the case of Wynne, who was possessed by a benevolent guardian from the Fade shortly after her death and in Justice possessing Anders after hearing his plight in defense of the mages. 

 

And then, all of a sudden, along comes Solas and states spirits wish to join the living.

 

What. The Hell.

Yeah. But a definition depends on the author.

[greenbrownblue]

1. Ancient Elves like the Magister Lords had the powers of high magic so they could do what they wanted pretty much as long as they had the knowledge of how and when we already know shapeshifting was possible ancient elves likely weren't tied to a set form before the veil, that doesn't however say they didn't have a natural form originating in the physical world.

 

Not to mention DAO pretty much showed ancient elves in Uthenera still had a physical form left behind when they were no more.

 

Also by themselves fade creatures (spirits/demons) mostly appear as they are described being personifications of their ideal rather than a full person, unless they've latched on to the life of somebody else they can mimic.

 

2. Without the veil or any natural barrier that may have once existed before the Evanuris/Ancient Elf Empire Spirits and Demons where just as naturaly manifest as birds/cows/wolves and other creatures.  As seen in the memory books some of them willingly walked amongst and interacted with the ancient elves and nothing would stop binding or merging with one (though those were probably far greater feats to do against a spirit/demon's will without a lot of their power locked up in the fade). 

 

Honestly I say Solas' assumption that the Evanuris were prodigious mages just like him is likely inaccurate or a self delusion he had to spread to feel like they could be more readily defeated.  DAO pretty much showed ancient elves could die of things other than old age and pass beyond the fade as other physical beings can upon death.  Seems far more likely the Evanuris and Forgotten were special in the means of being elder elf mages who merged with the most ancient fade spirits and demons, hence why Mythal turned into a wisp like being that eventually found Flemmeth.

 

3. Answer is plainly he is delusional and his pride blinds him to any assumption but the one he wants to be true, even though hard facts seem to say his precious elves and the dwarves are more likely the ones to go extinct by such a cataclysm when humanity survived its primitive days during a veilless world and the Magister Lords achieved High Magic even with the Veil up.

Could you please give us the source that says something about ancient elves "merging" with the spirits?

[greenbrownblue]

Why this world have to die?

Solas::A good question but not one i will answer

Yeah, there is a message to fans : "You have always showed athoughtfulness I respected. It would be too easy to tell you too much" )) ! 
 

Eh, people complain that Trespasser DLC spoiled too many info, but imo every answer raised two more questions.

[Dai Grepher]

I think the world ending is because two different paintings can't occupy the same canvas. Maybe Solas has to paint over the current one, or remove the current one to reveal the blank canvas. Or maybe, he has remove the current painting to reveal the original underneath.

 

My belief is that he must remove the Veil and bring back a merged world of Fade and Real in order for the world he remembers to be restored. The current people of Thedas will likely not be able to understand how this world will operate, and die as a result.

 

As for what Solas was originally, probably an elvhen, meaning an elf with a spirit. I think he was born and raised an elf with a physical body, and he had a spirit. Now, that spirit could have formed naturally, or it could be a spirit who existed before the body was made. I think the difference is just a matter of how soon Solas started learning things.

 

The "he didn't want a body" could mean he wanted to exist as a spirit only, or it could mean he was a spirit who did not want to take physical form in one way or another.

 

I don't think it matters much. The bottom line is that there are spirits and there are spirits who inhabit bodies. Both have their pros and cons. It seems spirits are better at manipulating the Fade and magic. Physical form spirits are better at understanding the physical world. Cole admires Solas because he is good at both manipulating the Fade and understanding the real world.

 

I think further exploration of this topic would benefit from comparisons to Justice in Kristof's corpse, as well as the comparison to Mythal (in the Well) and Flemeth.

 

Justice says he doesn't understand the real world all that well. He has memories to help him figure it out. He says the world seems static and not easily changed. The Spirit of Command observes the same thing. Justice also comments on the lyrium ring as singing like the Fade. This might be important.

[Anvos]

Evanuris are obviously more than old elf mages when they possess properties/traits other ancient elves didn't have and when those traits are traits fade spirits/demons have that seems logical Evanuris possess these because they were a merger of ancient elf and fade spirit.  Also the Evanuris making themselves gods where every citizen was forced to show a mark of devotion makes even more sense if they merged with a spirit/demon since spirits/demons can gain strength from belief in them and devotion to them and that would explain why Solas was an exception rather than a regular occurrence of new mages gaining their level of power (while magic does need some natural talent specific branches of it are as much intellectual work and thus the original ones learning them have to put more effort into figuring them out than those following them).

[greenbrownblue]

Evanuris are obviously more than old elf mages when they possess properties/traits other ancient elves didn't have and when those traits are traits fade spirits/demons have that seems logical Evanuris possess these because they were a merger of ancient elf and fade spirit.  Also the Evanuris making themselves gods where every citizen was forced to show a mark of devotion makes even more sense if they merged with a spirit/demon since spirits/demons can gain strength from belief in them and devotion to them and that would explain why Solas was an exception rather than a regular occurrence of new mages gaining their level of power (while magic does need some natural talent specific branches of it are as much intellectual work and thus the original ones learning them have to put more effort into figuring them out than those following them).

Any codex entries, dialogues or interviews that could prove that Evanuris are somehow connected to the spirits?

[ComedicSociopathy]

Any codex entries, dialogues or interviews that could prove that Evanuris are somehow connected to the spirits?

 

A dialogue from Cole in Trespasser insinuates that the belief made the Evanuris "more". Very vague, I know, but that would explain both why the Evanuris forced their people to worship them and provides evidence to their spirit origins. 

[greenbrownblue]

A dialogue from Cole in Trespasser insinuates that the belief made the Evanuris "more". Very vague, I know, but that would explain both why the Evanuris forced their people to worship them and provides evidence to their spirit origins. 

Could you paste the dialogue that you mentioned? I could not find it.

[Ashagar]

Why this world have to die?

Solas::A good question but not one i will answer

 

A random thought but given that the tribes of the mortal races apparently got hunted for sport Solas might think that them burn with the old world might be merciful, especially if like his previous plans his plan to stop the Evanuris fails.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Could you paste the dialogue that you mentioned? I could not find it.

 

 

 

Go to 3:24. Cole will start talking. 

[Gervaise]

There is also something interesting in the warning of the evanuris against Fen'Harel.    They say that  he "knows much of the People and their spirits."   This suggests that there is a definite link between the ancient elves and spirits.    Also the condemnation of the Forbidden Ones says "For abandoning the People in their time of greatest need, for casting aside form to flee where the Earth could not reach."     This suggests that during the war that Solas mentions where the evanuris began their climb to godhood, the Forbidden Ones threw off their mortal form to retreat into the Fade and were thus condemned as traitors.    Also since the Earth is spoken of with a capital letter, this probably refers to their enemy, the Titans.   

 

It is also interesting that according to various lists of the meaning of elvish words (which I presume are reasonably accurate), the name of Elgar'nan actually translates as "Spirit of Vengeance".    He is known for being the god of Vengeance but his actual name seems to indicate that he was once a spirit.

 

As for why the world must die, I assume the dropping of the Veil is likely to be pretty traumatic of itself but will also allow everything from the Fade to make contact with the material world.   Think of all the different realms that various spirits have made for themselves in the Fade  and the different aims of the spirits themselves.    All that will be released into and joined with the material world.    Solas remembers a lovely world, full of wonders and thinks that is what he is going to restore but think of his reaction if you take him to the Fade and ask him about that bit of it.    He is annoyed and offended that you would think he would ever want to go anywhere near the Nightmare's realm.   Yet is it just such areas that will now be made reality in the waking world.   So either he does not believe that is what is going to happen or he does and thinks that once things have settled down again, it will be back to what he remembers from before, but in the interim the current world and its inhabitants will perish.   

 

Even modern elves have magic in the blood, which could indicate that when they die they also become spirits, so that could be what he is aiming at, a world inhabited by spirits that can gradually become material beings again.  

[greenbrownblue]

There is also something interesting in the warning of the evanuris against Fen'Harel.    They say that  he "knows much of the People and their spirits."   This suggests that there is a definite link between the ancient elves and spirits.    Also the condemnation of the Forbidden Ones says "For abandoning the People in their time of greatest need, for casting aside form to flee where the Earth could not reach."     This suggests that during the war that Solas mentions where the evanuris began their climb to godhood, the Forbidden Ones threw off their mortal form to retreat into the Fade and were thus condemned as traitors.    Also since the Earth is spoken of with a capital letter, this probably refers to their enemy, the Titans.   

 

It is also interesting that according to various lists of the meaning of elvish words (which I presume are reasonably accurate), the name of Elgar'nan actually translates as "Spirit of Vengeance".    He is known for being the god of Vengeance but his actual name seems to indicate that he was once a spirit.

 

As for why the world must die, I assume the dropping of the Veil is likely to be pretty traumatic of itself but will also allow everything from the Fade to make contact with the material world.   Think of all the different realms that various spirits have made for themselves in the Fade  and the different aims of the spirits themselves.    All that will be released into and joined with the material world.    Solas remembers a lovely world, full of wonders and thinks that is what he is going to restore but think of his reaction if you take him to the Fade and ask him about that bit of it.    He is annoyed and offended that you would think he would ever want to go anywhere near the Nightmare's realm.   Yet is it just such areas that will now be made reality in the waking world.   So either he does not believe that is what is going to happen or he does and thinks that once things have settled down again, it will be back to what he remembers from before, but in the interim the current world and its inhabitants will perish.   

 

Even modern elves have magic in the blood, which could indicate that when they die they also become spirits, so that could be what he is aiming at, a world inhabited by spirits that can gradually become material beings again.  

Thank you very much for replying. Of course, you are right - "Elgar" means "Spirit". That quote about the Forgotten Ones is a good catch too! 

I am just wondering why Solas said to Cole that "Spirits form as a reflaction of this world and its passions". How would a spirit form in a world with no Veil? 

[werepuffin]

I'm fully behind the theory of first elves being spirits; I actually wrote down pretty much the same thing OP did in the original post a few days ago . I think Cole himself is a huge flag to that direction as the first elvhen could very well have gained bodies in similar way to he did - and the Titans and their children the dwarves could have been the actual first people of Thedas. Still, I don't think the spirits have to latch directly to emotions/etc to become corporeal, maybe a lonely lil' spirit saw a nug and thougt, 'that is cute, i'd like to hug it.' 

 

But yes, I do think Solas was originally a spirit of wisdom. I mean it's literally in his name. Wisdom spirit = pride demon. Burning her off his face refers to him burning off the vallaslin of whoever he was servin - I think Mythal but I recall reading something about Andruil having summoned Fen'harel that also had good points. Hunter and her wolf, that could have been the very model emerald knights and their wolf companions took after. I can't remember where I read that meta though, sad, since it was interesting read.

 

Solas being a spirit bound into a corporeal form also explains why he loves the fade so much - fade and the physical world were still separate things even pre-veil. I also believe Abelas is one of these spirits (forcefully?) made corporeal.

 

 

 

Go to 3:24. Cole will start talking. 

 

That doesn't necessarily mean 'literally' more, just that when people start worshipping you, you're not the regular joe you used to be as people start seeing you as something more. Kind of what happened to the Inquisitor.

[greenbrownblue]

 

 

Go to 3:24. Cole will start talking. 

"Worship makes you more, he just wanted to help", right?

Did not Cole mean "worship makes you god"?

Though I agree with you that there is something fishy about that sentence (a deeper meaning). Especially because it was said by Cole  

This is what Solas says in the Temple of Mythal:

"It is said Falon'Din's appetite for adulation was so great, he began wars to amass more worshippers. The blood of those who would not bow low filled lakes as wide as oceans. Mythal rallied the gods, once the shadow of Falon'Din's hunger stretched across her own people. It was almost too late. Falon'Din only surrendered when his bethren bloodied him in his own temple."

 

Not only it explains why this specific god's name is Falon'Din ( "A friend of Death"), but it also backs up your and Anvos' theory that worshippers could be a source of power for a spirit and everybody tied to it. Solas says that Evanuris  "their lust for power" killed Mythal and that by doing it they went too far. Ok, ok........ Things start making sense. ))

It would be great if all these ideas could be put together into a YouTube vid ^^