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[Arcian]

No, they didn't. There are other Collector vessels that are known to exist. James Vega encountered one before the events of Mass Effect 2, and even was able to get a lot of data about them and their technology before the ship crashed on Fehl Prime, killing the colonists. And during the Reaper War the Reapers call in every other Collector vessel, known as Black Arks, to engage the galactic forces. They'd just have to say they captured one of those and retrofitted it or used the data James managed to get. As for the stasis pods, they can always use the Prothean ones from Ilos. Those pods are capable of suspended animation for up to 50,000 years.

Ugh, I keep forgetting that movie exists.

 

As for the ME3MP stuff, we already know that isn't it, the Ark Ship seen in the N7 Teaser doesn't look anything like a Collector vessel.

 

Lengthy but ultimately silly argument.

The premise is what it is.

 

Need to deal with it, not agonise over it.

It won't change, may as well go with it.

Ignoring a problem doesn't make it go away.

[Booth]

The problem is, that probably the "premise(s)" was (were) NOT premise(s) while building up the story. I am rather sure that the authors didnt sat around in their office meeting rooms for two weeks and thought about a NextME and speculated about possibilities to leave the milky way and when they had some real good logic chains they said that would be a good story.

 

In my opinion they sat around and felt f***** up by the ME3-ending and how they could avoid killing the stupid ME3-ending-**** cause they were not allowed to and so they decided to move to andromeda. And AFTER they decided to move to andromeda they started to find any kind of weird reason why this could happen. Even worse is the possibility that the authors WERE TOLD by managers not to get in conflict with ME3-endings and that they have to leave the milky way.

 

In other words: I think in terms of builing up the story the premise was to move to andromeda. The reasons why they did it in the story is probably the result of that premise.

 

If this is true its only a question on how much time they had to come over with that explanation stuff. I even think it is possible that they dont give any precise explenation but only very vague hints why that has happened. "Now" they are over there after a "looooooooong journey" and have to deal with it.

 

All thoughts you made have been discussed in several forums I visit for talking about ME. Of course the reaper shouldnt only be capable to follow to andromeda but even have alreade been there. ME-wiki tells that the max. travel speed of the reaper is supposed to be around 10.000 times of lightspeed, which means they would need about 250 years to andromeda. For an intelligence that is able to exist several MILLION years thats something like a few hours if we compare it with our life span. This is something any character could reckon within the ME-universe who tries to collect information about the reaper. So... running away from reaper would be a stupid reason.

 

So I dont expect any "intelligent" solution from the ME-Andromeda authors for this question. But if they surprise me and do come around with a real nice story that makes sense... I would appreciate it of course. But because I like it much more to be surprised than to be disappointed... I dont expect anything - because therefor too many SciFi-stories in the last decades have been smashed by the authors themselves in trying to let everything be sooooooo awesome and soooooo huge, etc etc. The often just forgot this stupid little thing called logic. But... who cares. Consumers are dumb. Aren't we?

[FlyingSquirrel]

The N7 video suggests the ARK ship left before the Reapers hit Earth in ME3 since it launched from earth and the earth seemed perfectly fine and intact. And Commander Shepard waved them off. 

 

Wait, what? There's a video that shows Shepard seeing off the ark crew? Is it Sheploo, or just somebody we only see from the back, or what?

 

Having Shepard know about it is a bad idea, IMO. There are too many scenes in ME3 where it logically should have come up in conversation, unless Shepard was ordered not to speak of it to anyone ever for fear that the Reapers might find out somehow.

[Iakus]

Wait, what? There's a video that shows Shepard seeing off the ark crew? Is it Sheploo, or just somebody we only see from the back, or what?

 

Having Shepard know about it is a bad idea, IMO. There are too many scenes in ME3 where it logically should have come up in conversation, unless Shepard was ordered not to speak of it to anyone ever for fear that the Reapers might find out somehow.

It was Femshep (voice only)

 

And yes, it was a video released on N7 day

[BatarianBob]

If you can accept FTL travel to Alpha Centauri, you can accept FTL travel to Andromeda. After a certain point, difference of degree is no difference at all. Impossible is impossible.

[Iakus]

If you can accept FTL travel to Alpha Centauri, you can accept FTL travel to Andromeda. After a certain point, difference of degree is no difference at all. Impossible is impossible.

travel to Andromeda is Beyond the Impossible

 

By Mass Effect lore, travel to Alpha Centauri is possible in a few hours.  It would still take centuries to get just to the edge of Andromeda.

[FlyingSquirrel]

travel to Andromeda is Beyond the Impossible

 

By Mass Effect lore, travel to Alpha Centauri is possible in a few hours.  It would still take centuries to get just to the edge of Andromeda.

 

Well, I suspect that either wormholes, cryosleep, or generational ships will be involved. I'd be surprised if they completely retcon the lore about FTL travel, or else it would be possible to go well beyond this "Helius" system after they get to Andromeda.

[Beerfish]

1) You mean except for the big ol' space ship flying between the galaxies?  

2) Actually, the assumptions are based on everything we know about the Mass Effect setting as of ME3.  And as such, are very well thought-out concerns

3) This being science fiction, one would think that new revelations are brought about in a logical manner that expands upon what is already known about the setting, not cloaked in a robe and pointy hat, wielding a wand.

1) LOL  There is a big ole space ship flying.  Lets see a graphic of the Normandy flying around and instantly say that it obviously does not use FTL, worm hole or Mass effect relays, well becasue it does not show it doing so.  Pretty poor rebuttle.

 

2) No they are assumptions based on making assumptions about what we don't know.  You can't provide a speculative point, make it fact and then base all of your arguments based on that.

 

3) Eh?  All things in sci fi are pointy hat and wand wielding.  The whole 1st three games was wizardry.  The new revelations are 100% totally logical, at least as logical as the counter points being made.  They are actually more logical becasue they at least show a premise that one could think makes sense.  'We might lose to the Reapers, we need a plan B'

 

I would date to say that looking at things the way you are and the op that absoluteness no future story arc will make sense.

 

People could offer up 100 new story ideas and since we are not at all privy to any of the facts or details we can punch holes in all of them.

[Broganisity]

Why Andromeda?  Likely because outside our own that is the one with the most name recognition, also sounds a lot better than other one.

Hey now, Triangulum is a very sexy galaxy name! Check your privilege!

[Iakus]

1) LOL  There is a big ole space ship flying.  Lets see a graphic of the Normandy flying around and instantly say that it obviously does not use FTL, worm hole or Mass effect relays, well becasue it does not show it doing so.  Pretty poor rebuttle.

 

2) No they are assumptions based on making assumptions about what we don't know.  You can't provide a speculative point, make it fact and then base all of your arguments based on that.

 

3) Eh?  All things in sci fi are pointy hat and wand wielding.  The whole 1st three games was wizardry.  The new revelations are 100% totally logical, at least as logical as the counter points being made.  They are actually more logical becasue they at least show a premise that one could think makes sense.  'We might lose to the Reapers, we need a plan B'

 

I would date to say that looking at things the way you are and the op that absoluteness no future story arc will make sense.

 

People could offer up 100 new story ideas and since we are not at all privy to any of the facts or details we can punch holes in all of them.

1) IF the ship was using FTL as used in the ME trilogy, the ship would have been slagged and the crew dead in a couple of days.  And it would take centuries to get to Andromeda.   And if they were using relays or wormholes, then wtf is the ship doing out in dark space?

 

2) All speculation comes from lore gleaned from the trilogy.  Granted we can't know if it's been rewritten to fit the vision of MEA.  

 

3)  So Plan B is to develop yet another previously unknown technology, fill an enormous ship full of refugees from several different (and potentially hostile) without the Reapers noticing.

 

 

With what funds?  With what tech? With whom?  The Council races are all looking out for themselves until Shepard does enough favors for them!  Why the hell would they cooperate on some crazy "Last Son of Krypton" Ark-ship? 

[Drone223]

Nicely said OP, an ark ship (which already has its own list of problems) traveling to one of the many satellite galaxies would require less resources than one traveling to the Andromeda galaxy. Traveling to one of the satellite galaxies also significance reduces the risk of something catastrophic happening to the ark during the journey (the longer the trip the more likely something catastrophic can happen). 

 

Unfortunately Bioware's in game explanation as to why the ark isn't going to any of the satellite galaxies will be as good as the explanation for the Lazarus project and synthesis.

[KaiserShep]

travel to Andromeda is Beyond the Impossible

 

By Mass Effect lore, travel to Alpha Centauri is possible in a few hours.  It would still take centuries to get just to the edge of Andromeda.

 

I'm sort of disappointed that this link goes to TV tropes and not some science article. In any case, lore is kind of flexible when it comes to advanced technology and magic. I guess it's hard to judge when we don't really know the timeline. Technology in the MEU is already made of handwavium, since no technology should be able to sit exposed anywhere for tens of thousands of years and remain active, yet here we are. Thanks Protheans! 

[Drone223]

 

As to why Andromeda, maybe they suspected that the Reapers also had another vanguard in the nearby Magellanic cloud, or they just wanted to go as far as they could.

That makes no scene if the crew suspect that the reaper's who have existed for billion's of years have vanguard's in the satellite galaxies then they (the reaper's) are more than capable of having a presence in the Andromeda galaxy.

[Iakus]

I'm sort of disappointed that this link goes to TV tropes and not some science article. In any case, lore is kind of flexible when it comes to advanced technology and magic. I guess it's hard to judge when we don't really know the timeline. Technology in the MEU is already made of handwavium, since no technology should be able to sit exposed anywhere for tens of thousands of years and remain active, yet here we are. Thanks Protheans! 

 

Still, advances should be based on a logical progression of what already exists rather than just making more cr*p up to get around inconvenient worldbuilding.

 

This is why I like Sanderson's Three Laws

[KaiserShep]

I'm not really sure what would have to be made up at this point, because the original trilogy already gives us things that make an intergalactic trip seem possible, namely the reapers themselves, which seem to operate for eons without recharging, and can scour the galaxy non-stop without ever refueling. 

[N7Jamaican]

Finally off of work, and just got done spending time with my girlfriend. I can comment!

 

First off, great post. I did enjoy reading it, however... Your post is flawed itself. It has no basis for an argument in my opinion. It's based off of assumptions and not hard evidence.  Let's not write this game off yet until we either get solid information OR we play the game.

[Iakus]

I'm not really sure what would have to be made up at this point, because the original trilogy already gives us things that make an intergalactic trip seem possible, namely the reapers themselves, which seem to operate for eons without recharging, and can scour the galaxy non-stop without ever refueling. 

Which is its own problem.  Such as other Reaper broods in other galaxies.

[Arcian]

Finally off of work, and just got done spending time with my girlfriend. I can comment!

 

First off, great post. I did enjoy reading it, however... Your post is flawed itself. It has no basis for an argument in my opinion. It's based off of assumptions and not hard evidence.  Let's not write this game off yet until we either get solid information OR we play the game.

No hard evidence? The game is set in a galaxy that the Milky Way species don't have the technology OR the money to reach. Long-distance travel INSIDE the Milky Way was already difficult and expensive enough that very few expeditions into uncharted areas on the galaxy map ever got out of the planning phase. Crossing an intergalactic void with no planets or stars near which to discharge, over the course of five entire centuries with no opportunity to refuel or recharge power, is certain death. Only a wizard with unlimited power could possibly solve all the problems the Ark Ship project faces within the timespan it is given (basically the duration of ME3).

[Anvos]

Well it is always possible Vigil wasn't actually missing when the Alliance got there and we kept it since many probably blamed the Council for the loss of the Prothean beacon and could have decided were keeping this one.

[AlanC9]

Of course, it would be easy enough for Bio to make up technobabble that gets around all these issues. For instance, it's better for their purposes if the Citadel races don't understand the intergalactic drive and can't build more. Otherwise moving to Andromeda doesn't do anything useful. I'm kind or surprised they're not using a one-shot wormhole (unless they are and the trailer's outright misleading, which wouldn't be unprecedented).

[Kabooooom]

Arcian is 100% right in all the points he raised in the OP, and many of these are concerns that I have raised in the past with regards to MEA.

I am still excited about the game, because I hope that Bioware isn't stupid enough to completely nerf their own lore, and with some creativity many (if not all) of these objections can be reasonably addressed.

For example, we have reason to suspect that the colonists are searching for artifacts from the "Remnant" civilization. What if the Ark ship wasn't built, but rather discovered, and the colonists suspected it was created by the Remnant as a means for the Milky Way species to escape the Reapers? What if, once boarding, they had no choice in the destination and it took them to Andromeda? And so they go on trying to find the Remnant, only to find they are actually malevolent and its a trap or *insert believable plot device*.

My objections, which were very similar to Arcians, were in the hopes that Bioware would recognize potential problems and address them with the lore. I would be fine with that. But flat out ignoring prior lore out of convenience - that would break my immersion, ruin the setting and royally ****** me off.

[Heimdall]

That makes no scene if the crew suspect that the reaper's who have existed for billion's of years have vanguard's in the satellite galaxies then they (the reaper's) are more than capable of having a presence in the Andromeda galaxy.

Umm, you do know that the satellite galaxies are substantially closer than Andromeda, right?

[KaiserShep]

Which is its own problem.  Such as other Reaper broods in other galaxies.

 

That assumes such a thing exists really. There may not be. It's possible that the reapers didn't go forth to evangelize their great solution until they figured something out for the Milky Way. Who knows. I honestly don't expect much more than the reapers and most things related directly to them to get swept under the rug, so all's I can say to that end is whatevs. 

[Sartoz]

 

 

 

It's just Shepard's story that's over.

 

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In re-reading the thread  Introducing Mass Effect: Andromeda I can't think of any point that mentions an "origin" story. Why even bother with it? Which means that the events in the MW (IE: Shep, Reapears et al.) are not part of Andromeda.

 

I believe it will be about these new chars, events, aliens .. etc.... and nothing will be mentioned about how we got there.... no pont really.

[Dantriges]

BW decided to brand their new game Mass Effect and set it in the same setting. So they wanted to tie the new game to the trilogy. Ok, some people don´t care about the setting or lore, but for others it´s one of the things that drew them in.

 

It would be nice, if they actually bothered to appear like they cared and delivered some explanation of how we got in this shiny new galaxy, insted of "uh well we flew there, never bothered to check if our idea is feasible according to the stuff we wrote about the setting. Just roll with it." The beginning of ME 2 and 3 weren´t exactly well thought out. It would be nice if they actually spend some time on it instead of "Here, you have pew pew, shiny new graphics, an asari and a human with big breasts,* stop complaining, just because we never read our own codex entries or write stuff that makes sense."

 

*or whatever strikes your fancy.