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[Arcian]

Well, the Thanix is explainable by Sovereign being blown to pieces, presumably whatever device emits the indoctrination signal was destroyed, something that was still intact aboard the derelict.

Yeah, and this would make sense if not for the fact that every tiny little piece of Reaper tech seems to emit the effects of indoctrination. In the N7: Cerberus Lab side mission, Shepard is asked to retrieve tiny Reaper artifacts which Cerberus are keeping in containment fields for the obvious purpose to prevent indoctrination. If they can make the emitters this small, there's no logical reason not to pump the huge Reapers full of them as a redundancy to ensure anyone greedy enough to claim pieces of dead Reapers will end up indoctrinated.
 

I recall that the pieces of Sovereign in Bryson's lab were inert.

I assume you mean the little Sovereign leg thingy? Yeah, they kept that in a containment field.
 

I've never heard of any form of indoctrination shielding. What I do remember was a reference to studying the human reaper remains from a distance using drones to avoid exposure.

I presume you mean this War Asset entry.

 

Drone-assisted seems to imply they're actually using real people to study it.

[Dantriges]

They mentioned the shielding in Bryson´s lab. Indoctrination suffers fom Joker´s progressive Vrolik syndrome. Turned from something a Reaper can do inside of him or nearby to "this piece of hull metal could totally indoctrinate people."

[Spacepunk01]

I appreciate the way you express your concerns regarding the next Mass Effect. I remember that many of us went through a lot of this when Mass Effect: Andromeda was first announced back in June.

 

I will only be dealing with one of your concerns for now:

 

The reason the Milky Way has been so "empty" (and why that 99% remains unexplored) is because of the Reapers. After all, BioWare came up with the Reapers as a sort of "solution" to the Fermi paradox. Well, that solution hasn't been working in Andromeda, which means advanced spacefaring life in Andromeda has had 1 billion years to surpass the Milky Way in every way imaginable.

 

Another common explanation to the Fermi paradox (or where are they?) is that technological advancement will eventually reach a fulcrum point, at which time any advanced civilization will most likely destroy itself. Mass extinction. We're talking nuclear wars, AGI development (kind of like Skynet or the Geth), destruction of the environment etc. The claim is that with technological advancement we're inevitably planting the seeds of our own destruction and that this is a cyclical phenomenon - civilizations rise and fall in such a short timespan (on a cosmic scale) that the galaxy will - from the vantage point of any advanced civilization that still exists - seem mostly empty (of advanced lifeforms) at any given time.

 

The funny thing is that this is exactly why the Reapers were created - to "save" organic life from itself. It is in our nature to destroy ourselves. The Protheans seemed at first to have suffered from such a fate, but we later learned that the Reapers harvested them and thereby conserved their invaluable biological information.

[Anvos]

They preserve nothing.  Also ME3's story pretty much shows had the Rannoch reaper not intervened to prop up their crumbling super computer matrix after the Flotilla's initial attack the Geth had already lost and problem was solved.

[Commander Rpg]

It is in our nature to destroy ourselves.

It is in your nature to destroy yourself, maybe. Not in mine.

[Spacepunk01]

It is in your nature to destroy yourself, maybe. Not in mine.

 

You must know that I was refering to civilization as a whole - with all its intricate and complex structures. This is bigger than you and me my friend.

[Anvos]

And yet by its very nature a multi planet/solar empire is resistant to so called mass extinction events.

[Commander Rpg]

You must know that I was refering to civilization as a whole - with all its intricate and complex structures. This is bigger than you and me my friend.

Assuming that I consider these theories reasonable (and thus intelligent), which I don't. It was the sense of my previous answer.

[Heimdall]

Yeah, and this would make sense if not for the fact that every tiny little piece of Reaper tech seems to emit the effects of indoctrination. In the N7: Cerberus Lab side mission, Shepard is asked to retrieve tiny Reaper artifacts which Cerberus are keeping in containment fields for the obvious purpose to prevent indoctrination. If they can make the emitters this small, there's no logical reason not to pump the huge Reapers full of them as a redundancy to ensure anyone greedy enough to claim pieces of dead Reapers will end up indoctrinated.

Well, I'm not convinced that's what those fields were for, were' they there to keep people from picking them up and walking off with them? (Been a long time since I played that mission)
 

I assume you mean the little Sovereign leg thingy? Yeah, they kept that in a containment field.

Again, do we know that's what it was or that it blocked indoctrination?
 

I presume you mean this War Asset entry.
 
Drone-assisted seems to imply they're actually using real people to study it.

The implication is that the real people are studying it through the drones while maintaining a safe distance.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Again, do we know that's what it was or that it blocked indoctrination?

Yes. Dr. Ann Bryson says that blocking the indoctrination signal was what the shield around Sovereign's shard was for. Though she also mentions that to be safe she and everyone else on the project took regular psych evaluations.

[Heimdall]

Yes. Dr. Ann Bryson says that blocking the indoctrination signal was what the shield around Sovereign's shard was for. Though she also mentions that to be safe she and everyone else on the project took regular psych evaluations.

Sounds like a something they don't even know works.

 

Are they even able to detect indoctrination signals?

[Applepie_Svk]

Sounds like a something they don't even know works.

 

Are they even able to detect indoctrination signals?

 

Leviathan DLC can even trace a source of indoctrination thru galaxy

[Iakus]

Leviathan DLC can even trace a source of indoctrination thru galaxy

What source is that?

 

The rachni movements don't pan out.

[Iakus]

Sounds like a something they don't even know works.

 

Using poorly understood technology to save the galaxy is the in thing, yo.

 

[Rannik]

Videogames, how do they work?

[Dantriges]

You play a board game and take a video of the game session=videogame.

[Lady Artifice]

Using poorly understood technology to save the galaxy is the in thing, yo.

I imagine lots of stuff is pretty fashionable when it comes to saving the galaxy.

[Commander Rpg]

Using poorly understood technology to save the galaxy is the in thing, yo.

 

Hey man, Hahneman died more than a century ago, and he did the equivalent of curing diabetes with diluted wasp venom. Today people call this ancient and poorly explained technique "Homeopathy", and there are hundreds of thousands of them who presume to cure themselves with this.

 

I mean... idiocy can spread even through a videogame, not only in real reality realism.

[Applepie_Svk]

What source is that?

 

The rachni movements don't pan out.

 

I mean the Leviathan´s indoctrinating people thru those black pearls, there is that part with Ann...

[Arcian]

Well, I'm not convinced that's what those fields were for, were' they there to keep people from picking them up and walking off with them? (Been a long time since I played that mission)

It's a Cerberus lab, not a candy store.
 

Again, do we know that's what it was or that it blocked indoctrination?

What other purpose could a containment field which requires psych evaluations on the side have? 
 

The implication is that the real people are studying it through the drones while maintaining a safe distance.

Nowhere are the words "safe" or "distance" ever mentioned, this is a baseless assumption that you are making.

There is also this snippet you're ignoring:
 

While direct contact with Reapers is dangerous, the engineers feel the risk is worth the potential discovery of vulnerabilities in Reaper construction.

The way that it is worded confirms they were handling the tech in person. I mean, direct contact? It's not very ambiguous what that means. And after all, what risk would there be by studying it "at a safe distance" through drones that aren't susceptible to indoctrination?

[Arcian]

Videogames, how do they work?

Writing, how does it work?

 

Not the way BioWare is doing it, that's for damn sure.

[SofaJockey]

Writing, how does it work?

Not the way BioWare is doing it, that's for damn sure.

 

Nothing sure about it.

Many people enjoy the stories told in the Mass Effect universe.

 

Sure, ME3's ending was difficult.

 

The writers wrote themselves into to it,

they can write themselves out of it again suitably for a new game/trilogy.

[Iakus]

 

The writers wrote themselves into to it,

they can write themselves out of it again suitably for a new game/trilogy.

The same way Star Wars wrote its way out of the New Jedi Order, maybe 

[SofaJockey]

The same way Star Wars wrote its way out of the New Jedi Order, maybe 

 

Perhaps.

 

Arthur Conan Doyle wrote himself out of the death of Sherlock Holmes,

it wouldn't be the first time some jaw dropping writing was required to leave a painted-in corner...

 

Personally I'll cope with any stretched lore

if we can enjoy some more games in the Mass Effect universe.

[Heimdall]

It's a Cerberus lab, not a candy store.

I just seem to remember having to disable to fields to retrieve them, or something. Like I said, it was awhile ago.
 

What other purpose could a containment field which requires psych evaluations on the side have?

Maybe, but the impression I got was that they had no idea if it was even working.
 

Nowhere are the words "safe" or "distance" ever mentioned, this is a baseless assumption that you are making.

There is also this snippet you're ignoring:
 
The way that it is worded confirms they were handling the tech in person. I mean, direct contact? It's not very ambiguous what that means. And after all, what risk would there be by studying it "at a safe distance" through drones that aren't susceptible to indoctrination?

"Direct" has some wiggle room actually. It doesn't have to mean they were handling it with their bare hands. The intent is clear that they are going to great pains to minimize how much contact the engineers have with it.