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Our companions should been around to confront Solas


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#26
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Blackwall, Cassandra, Iron Bull, Sera and maybe Vivienne would have probably attacked him the moment he revealed his plan... 

 

Or you talking about the group shot when they all walk away after staring into the distance? 

 

Yes, at the palace.

 

Also, I don't think any of them would have attacked. The Inquisitor still needed Solas to do something about the anchor. And any attack from them might have been blocked by a barrier or something (like the kind the templars drop at Therinfall).



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What about when Solas fixes the Anchor? I could see the Iron Bull or Sera trying to attack in anger, and Cassandra might hope her Seeker abilities were enough to protect her. Vivienne might do it if she percieved some weakness on Solas' part.

Cole might not attack, but he might also read Solas' mind, which would force Solas to kill him.

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Barrier. As I wrote above.

 

Why would Solas kill Cole for trying to read his mind?



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Or Solas would just kill them, since he has no particular interest in keeping them alive and they're doomed anyway.

Solas would kill Cole because much of his plan is still hidden, and Cole could reveal aspects of that plan.

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Or Solas would just kill them, since he has no particular interest in keeping them alive and they're doomed anyway.

Solas would kill Cole because much of his plan is still hidden, and Cole could reveal aspects of that plan.

Solas's interest in keeping an Inquisitor he doesn't like alive, as I understand it, is that the world would become more chaotic if they died and he wants the people of the world to have a decent last few years/months/whatever. Most of the party is conducive to this goal.

 

As for Cole, when he hits something Solas doesn't want him to see, Solas shuts him out. The party banter established that a while ago.


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He wants to keep the Inquisitor alive for the time being. The kooky sidekicks? Less important, and he's only fond of half of them.

If Sera nocked an arrow and threatened to shoot Solas, do you think he would hesitate turning her into a statue?
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I have nothing sensible to comment except this mechanic made my Quisitor almost throw a fit since just before meeting Solas, Dorian was chilling face-down on the ground, didn't get up no matter what and Varric + Cassandra had apparently ceased to function. Pretty cold to leave your partner like that. "Lol, carry on. I'll go catch up with the good ol' Egghead."  :wacko:

(For a moment, I seriously thought I had screwed something up XD.)



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It bothered me when they pulled this in ME 3 when your squadmates are purposely taken out of the narrative before the final confrontation with the Reapers and bothered me even more in Trespasser, especially when you consider that all of your companions arguably have just as much of a personal connection to Solas as the Inquisitor. 

 

So, am I crazy or did Bioware miss out a great opportunity for our companions to at least say something, anything, about the Solas reveal. 

I agree. Epecially because if player wants some "private" time with Solas, it is possible to venture forth alone and lower difficulty to casual to just go quickly through the enemies and reach the last eluvian.



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They could have just put in a more complete cutscene; taking down the qunari mage, the inquisitor being the nearest to the eluvian, rushed through it. The others tried to follow but found they couldn't pass through. Quick dialogue of them panicking, wondering what to do, meanwhile, on the other side. Inquisitor  didn't notice the others didn't appear, saw statue of qunari, then more of them ad so on.

 

Better than my wondering what on earth had happened to the party and if it's a glitch. It would also settle the question why the party was not with the inquisitor.


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^Good idea. But you would also need to insert a playable part after going through the mirror so that players could save the game before talking with Solas.

 

As for companions attacking Solas. Barrier. Like I wrote. Sera's arrow would just bounce off like nothing.

 

Solas could even counter her with, "You lack penetration."

 

"Why you... Eh? Heheheheh. I see what ya did there."


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^Good idea. But you would also need to insert a playable part after going through the mirror so that players could save the game before talking with Solas.

 

Actually no. It can still be done in the way it was set. I always save before going through any eluvians and I would presume most do. In this case, fight ended, quick save / save. The party do not freeze, they're moving around as usual. Player move inquisitor towards eluvian, goes through, Cutscene; party behind follows but bounce off the eluvian. Panicked dialogue.

 

On companion reactions if they were there. Unless they have no eyes in their heads or brainless or 6 years old, they wouldn't do anything but talk. It's more important to get information than to indulge in a moment of anger / outrage / self-righteousness that bring nothing. It's also vital to understand why a friend / companion who had fought at their side would do what he did, pitch in with inquisitor in the discussion / argument. They may condemn him whatever but not react with violence. They should have realised then, that he isn't quite the same person they had been running with.


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Another missed opportunity in not having the companions around is seeing their reactions when an elven Inquisitor tries to join Solas.

 

By the Maker, Sera would unleash an epic monologue of swearing and Cassandra would give off a disgusted noise that could be heard as faraway as the Anderfels. 


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Actually no. It can still be done in the way it was set. I always save before going through any eluvians and I would presume most do. In this case, fight ended, quick save / save. The party do not freeze, they're moving around as usual. Player move inquisitor towards eluvian, goes through, Cutscene; party behind follows but bounce off the eluvian. Panicked dialogue.

 

On companion reactions if they were there. Unless they have no eyes in their heads or brainless or 6 years old, they wouldn't do anything but talk. It's more important to get information than to indulge in a moment of anger / outrage / self-righteousness that bring nothing. It's also vital to understand why a friend / companion who had fought at their side would do what he did, pitch in with inquisitor in the discussion / argument. They may condemn him whatever but not react with violence. They should have realised then, that he isn't quite the same person they had been running with.

 

I thought you meant the cutscene would play right after defeating Saarath. That's fine, as long as there's a place to save. I hate the parts of the game where it immediately throws you into the next step, like right after defeating the Aspect of the Nightmare.

 

I agree. The companions would mainly get information/attempt to talk Solas out of it in their own unique ways.

 

I would be interested to hear what The Iron Bull as Tal-Vashoth would say to Solas in that situation.
 



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I would be interested to hear what The Iron Bull as Tal-Vashoth would say to Solas in that situation.

 

Likely something about his plan obviously leading to more annoying demon crap. 

 

Also, I doubt that's Bull's going to happy about the Qunari being the sacrificial lamb in ensuring that Southern Thedas gets its extra years of peace, even with him being Tal-Vashoth. 



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...their reactions when an elven Inquisitor tries to join Solas.

 

Sera Greatly Disapproves

Dorian Greatly Disapproves

Varric Greatly Disapproves

Cassandra Greatly Disapproves

Thom Rainier Greatly Disapproves

Cole Greatly Disapproves

Vivienne Greatly Disapproves

Solas Greatly Disapproves

The Iron Bull Greatly Disapproves

The Bull's Chargers Mercenary Company Greatly Disapproves

The Triumvirate Greatly Disapproves

Josephine Greatly Disapproves

Leliana Greatly Disapproves

Cullen Greatly Disapproves

Morrigan Greatly Disapproves

Kieran Greatly Disapproves

Flemeth Greatly Disapproves

Mythal Greatly Disapproves

The Rest of the Elven Pantheon Greatly Disapproves

Urthemiel's Soul Greatly Disapproves

Razikale Greatly Disapproves

Lusican Greatly Disapproves

The Nug King Greatly Disapproves

Corypheus Greatly Disapproves

The Nightmare Greatly Disapproves

Imshael Greatly Disapproves

Shale Greatly Disapproves

The Uncrushable Pigeon Greatly Disapproves

Sullivan Greatly Disapproves

The Orlesian Court Greatly Disapproves

The Hero of Ferelden Greatly Disapproves

The Champion of Kirkwall Greatly Disapproves

Kirkwall Greatly Disapproves

The Marquis of Serault Greatly Disapproves

Arl Teagan Greatly Disapproves

Loghain Greatly Disapproves

Tevinter Greatly Disapproves

Commander Shepard Greatly Disapproves

All of Thedas Greatly Disapproves

The BioWare Social Network Greatly Disapproves

The Maker Greatly Disapproves

Dog Greatly Disapproves

 

F!Lavellan: Meh. It's the end of the game anyway.

 

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I'll fix it in the Keep later. :unsure:


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snip

 

F!Lavellan: But I just love him so much and can't bare him being alone.  :crying:

The Entirety of Thedas: We don't care! 


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I'd been under the impression that Flemeth and Mythal were on Solas's side, and that Flemeth had the soul of Urthemiel by this point assuming said soul wasn't dead?



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Solas controlled the eluvians. Therefore Solas allows who he wants to enter or exit. Solas could hold the companions in place.The Qunari were allowed in to send a message. Simply No one messes with the Dread Wolf.

 

The Inquisitor is allowed in to save his/her life and to take the message back. Also I doubt any of the companions would attack after seeing a virtual army of Qunari turned to stone unless they were suicidal



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Cassandra might if she thinks her Seeker powers will protect her. Vivienne might, if she thinks she can ward off the petrification spell. Thom Rainier might be that suicidal.

 

But this raises some interesting questions. I know Cassandra's "set the lyrium in their blood aflame" ability is never used in the game, but would Cassandra be able to use this against Solas?

 

Also, would Shale be immune to Solas' petrification spell since she's already made of stone?



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Also, would Shale be immune to Solas' petrification spell since she's already made of stone?

That is the way the one the Warden can learn works. Though I don't think what Solas does is quite the same thing since when Solas does it it's implied to be permanent. Now, I could believe Solas being powerful enough to hit whatever of Shale is not pure stone (lyrium being organic matter) but I could also absolutely believe him not being able to, since a spell that powerful would be a tall order.