I don't think there would be forced breeding but I'm sure the colonists are aware before leaving the Milky Way that in order to preserve humankind they must be fruitful and multiply.
"lel Noah's Ark look guys we're doing Biblical symbolism just like Shepard returned from the dead and had twelve disciples like Jesus amirite?! XD" - BioWare
If the reapers were defeated it would mean the cycle and the catalysts analysing and prediction of organic evolution is flawed and we know that the first time the cycle was altered he gave his original plan up and let sheptard headbutt the off switch of his/her choosing.
So, no. I don`t think the reapers ever went to Andromeda and that opens up another can of worms.
If the reapers were defeated it would mean the cycle and the catalysts analysing and prediction of organic evolution is flawed and we know that the first time the cycle was altered he gave his original plan up and let sheptard headbutt the off switch of his/her choosing.
So, no. I don`t think the reapers ever went to Andromeda and that opens up another can of worms.
This is a good point.
No way in hell will Bioware allow the Catalyst to be wrong
This is a good point.
No way in hell will Bioware allow the Catalyst to be wrong
I agree, which to me leaves two possibilities if the Reapers never went to Andromeda:
1) Andromeda is overrun by synthetics, and they will once again be the main antagonist
Or
2) Andromeda was overrun by synthetics (ie: Remnant) but something happened, and they will once again probably be the main antagonist.
:/
Pretty much anything else would contradict their own lore because of the way they set up the inevitability of the conflict and the inherent superiority of synthetics.
...also Mac Walters is still a lead writer with Mass Effect, and he and Casey Hudson are the proud parents of Glowboy.
I agree, which to me leaves two possibilities if the Reapers never went to Andromeda:
1) Andromeda is overrun by synthetics, and they will once again be the main antagonist
Or
2) Andromeda was overrun by synthetics (ie: Remnant) but something happened, and they will once again probably be the main antagonist.
:/
Pretty much anything else would contradict their own lore because of the way they set up the inevitability of the conflict and the inherent superiority of synthetics.
Or I suppose:
Andromeda achieved Synthesis, and the place is full of green-eyed "final evolution of life"
or
Every couple thousand years organics Avada Kedavra all synthetic life with their own giant magic wand
Or I suppose:
Andromeda achieved Synthesis, and the place is full of green-eyed "final evolution of life"
or
Every couple thousand years organics Avada Kedavra all synthetic life with their own giant magic wand
This is a good point.
No way in hell will Bioware allow the Catalyst to be wrong
You mean again? Because I already proved the catalyst wrong by uniting the Quarians and Geth, then again by solving the "problem" without turning every intelligent species into Reaper-goo.
You mean again? Because I already proved the catalyst wrong by uniting the Quarians and Geth, then again by solving the "problem" without turning every intelligent species into Reaper-goo.
You know it. I know it.
But apparently Bioware thinks that such a trifling detail Shepard doesn't even bother to mention it to the Catalyst, so... 
Or I suppose:
Andromeda achieved Synthesis, and the place is full of green-eyed "final evolution of life"
or
Every couple thousand years organics Avada Kedavra all synthetic life with their own giant magic wand
Thank god for nuclear fire and kinetic impact rounds.
You mean again? Because I already proved the catalyst wrong by uniting the Quarians and Geth, then again by solving the "problem" without turning every intelligent species into Reaper-goo.
Well, I'm assuming if the Catalyst's definition of "lasting peace" was "a few months where they don't kill each other" then we'd have a pretty different plot.
Some days I hope we meet Synthesis-ized organics in Andromeda.
It would be the perfect way to troll everyone, with potential for a great plot by subverting the roles of "Reapers" and humanity.
Some days I hope we meet Synthesis-ized organics in Andromeda.
It would be the perfect way to troll everyone, with potential for a great plot by subverting the roles of "Reapers" and humanity.
Won't ever happen, and it also defeats the purpose of moving the franchise in the first place.
This. He even describes that he has witnessed events unfold repetitively over eons, and that on average peace never lasts, and conflict is inevitable.Well, I'm assuming if the Catalyst's definition of "lasting peace" was "a few months where they don't kill each other" then we'd have a pretty different plot.
This. He even describes that he has witnessed events unfold repetitively over eons, and that on average peace never lasts, and conflict is inevitable.
I assume Shep never mentions that he just made peace between the Geth and the Quarians because it would be mind-bogglingly stupid to argue "but I just made peace! For a couple months, even!" to a being that has watched the cycles of the galaxy for 2 billion years.
Asking for eternal peace is stupid. Organics can't achieve it for themselves, why should it be expected between organics and synthetics?
Unless you impose it from the barrel of a gun. Or do something to their minds to make them shiny, happy, and GREEN.
This. He even describes that he has witnessed events unfold repetitively over eons, and that on average peace never lasts, and conflict is inevitable.
I assume Shep never mentions that he just made peace between the Geth and the Quarians because it would be mind-bogglingly stupid to argue "but I just made peace! For a couple months, even!" to a being that has watched the cycles of the galaxy for 2 billion years.
The Catalyst doesn't have an objective point of view. Anything it ever witnessed would be irrelevant since it already decided the only way to "preserve" life is to snuff it out. The Reapers don't actually care about peace since they reap on a cycle. There is no room for peace or observation in that.
What if the Reapers never bothered to go to Andromeda and therefore the plot there won't be related at all with the Reapers?
That would be a neat plot twist!
I disagree, as the ebb and flow of events in the cycles happen independently of the Catalysts action of harvesting the galaxy. It observed that conflict between synthetics and organics arises with certainty, and that when it does, synthetics eventually win. On cosmic average. The occurrence of the conflict represents statistical data to the Catalyst acquired over millennia of controlled experimentation, which is essentially what the cycles are, and (assuming he isn't flat out lying about it) he presents it as such.The Catalyst doesn't have an objective point of view. Anything it ever witnessed would be irrelevant since it already decided the only way to "preserve" life is to snuff it out. The Reapers don't actually care about peace since they reap on a cycle. There is no room for peace or observation in that.
What if the Reapers never bothered to go to Andromeda and therefore the plot there won't be related at all with the Reapers?
That would be a neat plot twist!
Then there will either be
A galaxy dominated by machine gods.
or
Green peace/love/dope.
Because the Catalyst can't possibly be wrong in its assessment that synthetics will "inevitably" destroy all organic life.
I disagree, as the ebb and flow of events in the cycles happen independently of the Catalysts action of harvesting the galaxy. It observed that conflict between synthetics and organics arises with certainty, and that when it does, synthetics eventually win. On cosmic average. The occurrence of the conflict represents statistical data to the Catalyst acquired over millennia of controlled experimentation, which is essentially what the cycles are, and (assuming he isn't flat out lying about it) he presents it as such.
His solution is to "preserve" life by mind-uploading, basically. A solution to a problem that he views as statistically inevitable.
So yes, he represents a biased point of view. But his bias doesn't seem to be in how he interprets the data he gathered, it is instead in how he interprets the solution to the problem.
A reasonably intelligent Shepard would say, okay so assuming you aren't BSing me, you have gathered data over eons that says this conflict is an inevitability. It would be idiotic to try to argue with that. What I instead argue with is your ideal solution, which no organic would think is a good idea.
Sorry, but the games don't back you up. The cycle started with the Leviathans and continues no matter what. The Catalyst didn't witness countless societies fall to their synthetic creations. You can try to apply as much logic to it as you want, but the games are much stupider than that. You're essentially writing fanfic right now.
I disagree, as the ebb and flow of events in the cycles happen independently of the Catalysts action of harvesting the galaxy. It observed that conflict between synthetics and organics arises with certainty, and that when it does, synthetics eventually win. On cosmic average. The occurrence of the conflict represents statistical data to the Catalyst acquired over millennia of controlled experimentation, which is essentially what the cycles are, and (assuming he isn't flat out lying about it) he presents it as such.
His solution is to "preserve" life by mind-uploading, basically. A solution to a problem that he views as statistically inevitable.
So yes, he represents a biased point of view. But his bias doesn't seem to be in how he interprets the data he gathered, it is instead in how he interprets the solution to the problem.
A reasonably intelligent Shepard would say, okay so assuming you aren't BSing me, you have gathered data over eons that says this conflict is an inevitability. It would be idiotic to try to argue with that. What I instead argue with is your ideal solution, which no organic would think is a good idea.
Right, but isn't "synthetics always win" in itself objective? A plain fact. A billion years, not one society has ever won against synthetics.
I mean, it would seem to me that it could watch these things and it would become mechanical after a while. Like Javik said, same peaks, same troughs, history repeating itself over and over again. Start to watch that stuff long enough, of course it's going to become mechanical and without any feeling and as objective as possible.
Then there will either be
A galaxy dominated by machine gods.
or
Green peace/love/dope.
Because the Catalyst can't possibly be wrong in its assessment that synthetics will "inevitably" destroy all organic life.
I'm curious to see how they write around that issue they set up in the original trilogy.
Or even how "our" tech can even compete with what andromeda has archieved if they were never reaped.
Then there will either be
A galaxy dominated by machine gods.
or
Green peace/love/dope.
Because the Catalyst can't possibly be wrong in its assessment that synthetics will "inevitably" destroy all organic life.
long deep breath of desperation..eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Can't it just being wrong? pretty please?
Asking for eternal peace is stupid. Organics can't achieve it for themselves, why should it be expected between organics and synthetics?
Unless you impose it from the barrel of a gun. Or do something to their minds to make them shiny, happy, and GREEN.
The funny think is it's not stupid synthetics is not the problem we organics are problem. Geth did nothing just sit until reapers arrived. And Quarians wanted to kill geth all the time. I doubt quarians even try talk to geth. Only after Tali and Legion started talking peace was possible and of course Shepard telling "play nice you idiots"
The funny think is it's not stupid synthetics is not the problem we organics are problem. Geth did nothing just sit until reapers arrived. And Quarians wanted to kill geth all the time. I doubt quarians even try talk to geth. Only after Tali and Legion started talking peace was possible and of course Shepard telling "play nice you idiots"
Well yeah, but I can easily see a scenario in which synthetics are the aggressors.
The story in Mass Effect is less about what would be the most likely scenario in situation X, and more about Bioware presenting certain political views via shiny, Sci-fi, sock puppets.(less so in ME1)
Mass Effect is not very "realistic".(realistic - relative realism, after taking into account certain in-universe Sci-fi elements of course)
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