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[N7-MB]

Most of the answer posts I get boil down to: the opponent can get a load of bullets in you before you attack with melee
Yes they can
But who had the sword in me3?
The n7 shadow: silent invisible assassin type, makes sense
The n7 slayer: who had a high damage reduction effect with his melee, due I suppose to a "shoot me, I m not there anymore" effect. This wasn't a base vanguard, what made it efficient in melee was this DR/teleport mechanic.
So the efficiency of a range counter would be greatly reduced, because either you can't see or hit your opponent, which gives him the opportunity to go melee. Also: shields
A melee weapon would be near useless on "vanilla" characters but would be a potent addition to characters specializing around it
Why a military would try that or would create vanguards & their charge given the high risk of these tactics doesn't make much sense, I agree with that

To get back to the topic which we got a littlefar from, this is a game, rule of cool can skirt reality, swords & shields & other stuff not making much sense is in me3 & quite popular, so let em give it as content ( contrary to seen posts, I don't think it's that hard to program in) & let players decide what they want to use

[Ahglock]

Unless adding them in makes the setting as a whole less cool so whether I use them or not I am having less fun in the base game. Which is what this is about. Just adding things because they are cool to someone in isolation is about as uncool as you can get. Melee in this setting as a primary attack form for a human is not cool. It detracts from the cool of the rest of the game.

There are plenty of modern to sci fi games where they developed melee as a primary attack form. Mass effect just isnt one of them.

[N7-MB]

Unless adding them in makes the setting as a whole less cool so whether I use them or not I am having less fun in the base game. Which is what this is about. Just adding things because they are cool to someone in isolation is about as uncool as you can get. Melee in this setting as a primary attack form for a human is not cool. It detracts from the cool of the rest of the game.

There are plenty of modern to sci fi games where they developed melee as a primary attack form. Mass effect just isnt one of them.

how is adding more game options for all the players an "uncool thing" as you say?

also, no offense meant but bioware isn't developing this game for you only, there is bound to be some stuff you won't appreciate that a good portion of the community finds cool.

& I don't see how adding this as an option we can use if we choose to makes the game less fun for you. didn't find human melee/swords cool? who forced you to use slayer/shadow in me3 mp? how did that suck the cool from the rest as you seem to imply?

[Ahglock]

I guess they should add in dragons and a gun that fires unicorn horns which creates a rainbow as it shoots. Cause more things is always cool.

[N7-MB]

I guess they should add in dragons and a gun that fires unicorn horns which creates a rainbow as it shoots. Cause more things is always cool.

deforming answers, nice way to get your point... sigh (& if you want a rainbow unicorn gun, it exist in the red faction universe it is hilarious to see)

the content they add is far-stretched but virtually plausible in a sci-fi setting

that you don't like it doesn't make it irrelevant, it's just your opinion & that of some other players vs dev & another bunch of players.

 

coolness is subjective, they gave it as an option, you're not forced to use it, how does that make all the other parts of the universe less cool? that was what I was saying

[Oni Changas]

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[Ahglock]

deforming answers, nice way to get your point... sigh (& if you want a rainbow unicorn gun, it exist in the red faction universe it is hilarious to see)
the content they add is far-stretched but virtually plausible in a sic-fi setting
that you don't like it doesn't make it irrelevant, it's just your opinion & that of some other players vs dev & another bunch of players.

coolness is subjective, they gave it as an option, you're not forced to use it, how does that make all the other parts of the universe less cool? that was what I was saying

For the same reason a unicorn gun would. Whether I use it or not they are trying to set the universe up so we find it plausible even though it's not. If they had from ground up set up their universe to make it plausible it can work like in star wars or heck Shadowrun where the point of the game is not fighting in the first place and frequently involves not having weapons as you can't get them past security check points.

But they didn't do that so tacking it on ends up not being plausible and diminishes the setting as a whole. If this game wasn't story based and was just a series of game play events like it is in MP it would get less complaints. If they change the game to a stealth/espionage game instead of a shooter it can work. But it breaks plausibility in the shooter based setting and whether I use it or not them trying to get me to buy in that it is plausible weakens the setting and is very uncool.

[N7-MB]

For the same reason a unicorn gun would. Whether I use it or not they are trying to set the universe up so we find it plausible even though it's not. If they had from ground up set up their universe to make it plausible it can work like in star wars or heck Shadowrun where the point of the game is not fighting in the first place and frequently involves not having weapons as you can't get them past security check points.

But they didn't do that so tacking it on ends up not being plausible and diminishes the setting as a whole. If this game wasn't story based and was just a series of game play events like it is in MP it would get less complaints. If they change the game to a stealth/espionage game instead of a shooter it can work. But it breaks plausibility in the shooter based setting and whether I use it or not them trying to get me to buy in that it is plausible weakens the setting and is very uncool.

 

from codex:

"omni-tool weapons

Although melee-combat applications for the omni-tool are almost as old as the device itself, the feature was largely unused prior to the Reaper invasion. The need to take on multiple husks in close quarters forced the Alliance to develop ways to enhance the tool's offensive capability.

The most common melee design is the "omni-blade," a disposable silicon-carbide weapon flash-forged by the tool's mini-fabricator. The transparent, nearly diamond-hard blade is created and suspended in a mass effect field safely away from the user's skin. Warning lights illuminate the field so the searing-hot blade only burns what it is intended to: the opponent.

 

More technically adept soldiers frequently modify their omni-tools to maximize stopping power through electrical, kinetic, or thermal energy. Some troops integrate their weapon with their kinetic barriers, transforming the omni-tool into a wrist-mounted bludgeon; others fabricate flammable gases, held in place by a mass effect field and ignited upon impact. All prove deadly surprises for opponents who expect a disarmed Alliance warrior."

is it this far-stretched after this that real melee weapons would be redeveloped to deal with husks & the like?

also according to current intel, the game is about colonization & exploration, is it far-stretched to expect some stealth/espionnage parts?

​& finally: as I already said, it's not because it's a group of people's opinion that it isn't cool that it invalidates the other part of the community that thinks it is. the game isn't developed for you alone, let the devs add it if they want & the players decide if they use it or not. closing options just because you don't agree is never a good answer

[CoffeeElemental]

I agree because N7 shadow/slayer classes were awesome in multiplayer, sad that Shepard had no access to these abilities.

[Killroy]

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[N7-MB]

I agree because N7 shadow/slayer classes were awesome in multiplayer, sad that Shepard had no access to these abilities.

That would be possible with some kind of skill tree for the campaign, doubtful but possible
Pretty sure it's impossible for multi, too complicated

[Dalakaar]

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Hurray for vehement plant baby killers. You people disgust me. Save plant babies. Eat meat.

[Master Warder Z_]

Planet babies?

 

Oh you mean like these.

[Dalakaar]

Planet babies?

Fruit and berries could be likened to plant babies.

 

At least that's what I tell people who only eat plant babies that tell me not to eat meat babies.

 

Mmmm. Meat babies.

[Han Shot First]

earlier post I spoke of tueller drill: at less than 20 feet a knife wielded always gets his opponent before he can shoot him (check the article on Wikipedia, mythbuster experience)

Also if you get there, current one shot missile launchers used in military are also anti armor one trick ponies, doesn't make them less useful

It all tricks down to this: the right tool for the right job

 

The tueller drill is relevant only to police work or robberies and such where the knife-wielder is attacking a person whose gun is holstered and not necessarily expecting to be attacked. That element of surprise and delays in reaction time often mean that attacker can close the distance before the gun can be unholstered and aimed.

 

It is much less relevant to a combat scenario where any knife-wielder would be facing off against heavily armed people in a high state of readiness (they're in combat after all...they expect to be attacked), whose weapons aren't holstered, and who have much looser rules of engagement than a police officer or a private citizen with a license to carry. In the modern era armies that relied on the bayonet or other melee weapons versus firearms more often that not fail, and fail disastrously. See Rorke's Drift, the Defense of the Peking Legations, Battle of the Tenaru, the Banzai charge on Saipan, ect. 

 

The protagonist of Andromeda is going to have a lot more in common with a soldier in a combat zone than a police offer patrolling his beat, even if the character doesn't have a military background.

 

Rocket launchers and other anti-tank weaponry are a poor comparison to knives because assault rifles and most machine-guns can't damage armored vehicles. Specialized weapons are needed to deal with armored personnel carriers or tanks. Specialized weapons aren't needed to deal with dismounted infantry, so why would anyone replace their firearm for a weapon that went obsolete in the 18th Century?

 

The only argument that could be used to justify swords in Andromeda would be Rule of Cool. Any argument that there would be an element of plausibility or realism behind it falls flat. History says otherwise.

[Master Warder Z_]

The only argument that could be used to justify swords in Andromeda would be Rule of Cool. Any argument that there would be an element of plausibility or realism behind it falls flat. History says otherwise.

 

Ah yes the rule of 'cool'

 

It has annoyed me since primary school.

 

 

 

-.- Haman is clearly the better mentally unstable pedophile...and she's hot.

[Han Shot First]

 

 

-.- Haman is clearly the better mentally unstable pedophile...and she's hot.

 

Wat

[Master Warder Z_]

Wat

 

 

Exactly my point my friend!

 

You have no idea what I am talking about, just like I have no idea what these melee people are talking about.

 

...Plus I might be half a flask into some Jim but that's just between me and you okay?

[The Real Pearl #2]

I find it hilarious how some people still can't accept that people can do whatever they want. The question is not "Should we eat meat" The bigger and more important question is "What's in our food" Considering the modern meat industry, the answer to that question varies. 

So don't call someone stupid just simply because they live differently from you. But then again...this topic has nothing to with food! so remember kids:

Spend less time eating plant's and more time learning how to create better working/living conditions for cattle and workers!

But seriously we are getting WAAYYY, off topic. 

[Dalakaar]

I find it hilarious how some people still can't accept that people can do whatever they want. The question is not "Should we eat meat" The bigger and more important question is "What's in our food" Considering the modern meat industry, the answer to that question varies. 

So don't call someone stupid just simply because they live differently from you. But then again...this topic has nothing to with food! so remember kids:

Spend less time eating plant's and more time learning how to create better working/living conditions for cattle and workers!

But seriously we are getting WAAYYY, off topic. 

I tried being on topic last page. I made a lovely pro-melee post for everyone to ignore. I'm done with on topic. Time to make fun of plant-baby mutilators.

[Dalakaar]

Really it's a matter of species equality. Mutilate everything equally, plant babies, meat babies, fungal babies. Really people, I can't believe the lack of genus/kingdom equality here. It's terrible.

[The Real Pearl #2]

Personally i believe we should use insects as our main source of protein

[Master Warder Z_]

I tried being on topic last page. I made a lovely pro-melee post for everyone to ignore. I'm done with on topic. Time to make fun of plant-baby mutilators.

 

We didn't ignore it, we just pointed out that its just personal preference and ridiculous.

[Laughing_Man]

Personally i believe we should use insects as our main source of protein

 

I have no doubt that from scientific perspective you are right (they are more sustainable, etc.), but ugh... just look at that thing.

[TheBunz]

Hell! Why don't we ditch the whole space theme all together!!!!

Humans crash land on a primitive planet and have to resort back to bushcraft in order to survive!