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[Hrulj]

Swords in ME:A

 

This. A milion times this

[ExoGeniVI]

I like ME for the fact that they make sense. Weapons are not OP, everything is explained. But going back to medieval style of combat with sword and shield, when people around are capable of creating black holes at will and have full body shielding trough kinnetic and biotic barriers, its just... unreasonable

How unreasonable? If the Forerunners can create multi dimensions and travel between Galaxies, defeat 4 billion old space monsters and fly without technology then why can't Swords and Shields of the future be used? Technology would make Swords and shields as good as a gun.

[Hrulj]

How unreasonable? If the Forerunners can create multi dimensions and travel between Galaxies, defeat 4 billion old space monsters and fly without technology then why can't Swords and Shields of the future be used? Technology would make Swords and shields as good as a gun.

By the fact that a gun will always be better. I have nothing against using a knife or whatever in melle attack. But making sword and shield one of primary weapons to be carried around is beyond ridiculous. I understand Space swords were made popular by Star Wars. But they simply wont work

[SentinelMacDeath]

nobody ever said that you can only have one or the other, you could be a badass blade wielding killing machine that charges at people (like Krogan) and still have a pistol or something

[Hrulj]

nobody ever said that you can only have one or the other, you could be a badass blade wielding killing machine that charges at people (like Krogan) and still have a pistol or something

Its just the silliness of it. I hated Kai Leng due to his idiotic magic sword vielding. He wasnt badass. He just seemed idiotic. And I enjoyed nothing more than blowing up that cerberuss Assasin units heads with N7 Crusader

[ExoGeniVI]

Swords make us feel like a total badass

[Cknarf]

There's no denying that swords are cool. But in a sci-fi setting, they're just silly... 

 

 

*ahem*

 

Aaaaaaanyways, still silly to me. 9 out of ten times I'm killed by a Phantom in MP is from their hand thingy, not the blade.

 

I am not against the idea of an omni-shield, however.  Shields, unlike swords, are still widely used today.

[Kalas Magnus]

i think it could work. imagine a vanguard w/ shield and sword. he'd be a savage.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I have no problem with having them be an optional loadout. 

[LexXxich]

One could argue that due to kinetic shields both the survivability and killing power of someone armed with a melee weapon has increased. Since when defended by a shield a person can take a couple of shots before they close in, and same kinetic shield will be penetrated by relatively low-speed melee weapon (think Dune).
On the other hand, whatever futuristic tech allows the sword to penetrate armour that withstands super-high-energy pellets would be better used in something that shoots said tech at said armour. Which will still be less than practical outside of a very narrow range of circumstances and uses.

[SentinelMacDeath]

i just really like swords .. i like sniper rifles more but swords are a close 2nd. For me it's either killing from really far away or being up super close in your business .. nothing in between 

[rocklikeafool]

Who doesn't like space Ninjas? 

Anyone who killed Kai Leng, that's who. He was such a BS antagonist.

[rocklikeafool]

Shields, unlike swords, are still widely used today.

The slow blade penetrates the shield...

[Broganisity]

[straykat]

I thought this melee stuff was excused, because it was invented for the Reaper War.. and required dealing with being swarmed up close. And Reapers were just shock troops who didn't even care about their lives.

 

 

Now it's going to be everywhere? Kind of dumb imo.

[Undead Han]

I'd rather the devs just quietly pretended swords and war hammers weren't already a thing in the lore. A person running around with a samurai sword in a setting with high powered automatic weapons and body armor capable of deflecting projectiles travelling at relativistic speeds would be about as goofy as Joker taking on Sovereign from the cockpit of a Sopwith Camel. They're obsolete weapons.

 

That being said, I know swords will probably return because the consensus is that they are Rule of Cool. In a Sci Fi setting where magic doesn't exist I just find them more corny than cool, personally. 

[United Servo Academy Choir]

You know, I actually have no objection to enemies coming at us with swords, provided they don't actually pose any threat. So each encounter just inevitably ends like that Indy clip up top.

 

And if we have a companion that uses swords, we have the ability to smack some sense into them.

[Giantdeathrobot]

It could make sense in a context.

 

If, for instance, swords followed lore and ignored shields. You'd have a weapon with an advantage over guns. Combine this with a Vanguard's Charge or an Infiltrator's Cloak and the sword becomes a potent weapon.

 

I mean, sure, on a modern battlefield swords are useless. But Mass Effect isn't a modern battlefield, protection and movement technology is advanced enough to give melee weapons an edge in some situations.

[ExoGeniVI]

It could make sense in a context.

 

If, for instance, swords followed lore and ignored shields. You'd have a weapon with an advantage over guns. Combine this with a Vanguard's Charge or an Infiltrator's Cloak and the sword becomes a potent weapon.

 

I mean, sure, on a modern battlefield swords are useless. But Mass Effect isn't a modern battlefield, protection and movement technology is advanced enough to give melee weapons an edge in some situations.

Exactly!

[Dantriges]

That being said, I know swords will probably return because the consensus is that they are Rule of Cool. In a Sci Fi setting where magic doesn't exist I just find them more corny than cool, personally.

Reminds me of my fantasy setting where the explanation for "why no gunpowder for thousands of years?" was that every friggin mages guild on the planet capable of harnessing elemental fire has the especially developed "explode gunpowdery stuff in a wide area" spell in the closet, because no one wants mundanes encroaching on their turf of making big explodey stuff.

The obvious solution, so that people can finally fight with medieval weapons in a scifi setting, is, to declare magic is real in the ME universe, of course. It´s obvious we need a setting where medieval weapons are a thing.

[Cknarf]

If swords do make an appearance, it really will be for no other reason than rule of cool.

 

Sure, there are situations where a blade or club would be better than a gun, but they're damn few. How often do you see SWAT clearing houses with nothing but billy clubs? lol. Hell no, shotguns and carbines all day, dog.

 

All I know is, if there's a proper stealth mechanic, I'm going to be stabbing the crap out of everything with whatever goofy stuff they give me.

[SNascimento]

In other words... Sharpened Helicopter Blades? Damn yes! I can only dream of doing stuff like this in a Mass Effect game:



Also, If the end result in exquisite designed enemies like the Phantoms then I'm all in. From the E3 trailer, it seems melee combat will play a part in ME:A gameplay, having swords wouldn't be impossible then. But again, swords are secundary, bring Sharpened Helicopter Blades! 

[SNascimento]

If swords do make an appearance, it really will be for no other reason than rule of cool.

Plain and simple, that is an incorrect assessment. It can be, like in ME3, for gameplay reasons. Which the end result would be stuff like the Cerberus' Phantoms.

They are without a doubt for me the best designed enemy in the Mass Effect trilogy, and I dare say most multiplayer fans will have cool stories to tell about those gals. Phantoms are not there to look cool, they are there to be challenging enemies and improve the gameplay experience. 

You can wonder if they needed swords, but it works very well. 

[Deathjester929]

The only time pure melee makes any sense at all in ME. 

 

Never. 

 

Where it can be useful.

 

1. Close quarters and it sure as heck is not some elaborate anime sword or Samurai sword. That just enforces that what we already know is a fairy tale, is even more of a fairy tale, and takes us from immersion. That is one reason why Kai Leng was such a joke (hardly the biggest reason, but still a reason). Modern military Soldiers do not carry swords now. They carry knives. In ME, they carry holographic knives/short range melee weapons. The only reason it works in Star Wars is because Jedi can see the future, read and manipulate peoples minds, know where the attacks are going to be, do not even need to visually see them to deflect them, and we even saw Vader deflect Han's shot with an open hand.

 

Oh and Jedi still benefited from using a blaster (see Grievous getting shot). Just because the prequel dialogue was awful and he disdained the weapon that just saved his life, calling it uncivilized (what an idiot) did not make the weapon not practical for a Jedi at times.

 

2. Assassinations, which means stealth or a stealth based class. This should be the only class even close to pure melee, which they did really well with the infiltrator class. and the infiltrator class was "light" and "agile" and also a sniper class. Why? Because if you can kill a target from far away, you do it. 

 

Oh and yup the Shadow Broker had a big shield. He also had a really big gun. REALLY big.

 

[themikefest]

Its just the silliness of it. I hated Kai Leng due to his idiotic magic sword vielding. He wasnt badass. He just seemed idiotic. And I enjoyed nothing more than blowing up that cerberuss Assasin units heads with N7 Crusader

Kai Leng was a wannabe assassin.. What's the point in giving him a sword if he's going to stick it in the ground like he did on Thessia?