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Since we're having Cerberus in ME:A Let us use Swords & Space Shields!


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#101
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Or a big-ass electric Sword that can shoot electric currents 20 feet and a black widow 3 shot sniper rifle...

 

Why should a Black Widow have only 3 shots?

 

I mean if a Barret today can have a 10 round magazine, than the shiny honking space gun of the future is going to be a single / triple shot weapon?



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Why should a Black Widow have only 3 shots?

 

I mean if a Barret today can have a 10 round magazine, than the shiny honking space gun of the future is going to be a single / triple shot weapon?

I mean 3 shots in a thermal clip, then you shave the clip off. like this 3/28

Mass Effect tech...



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I mean 3 shots in a thermal clip, then you shave the clip off. like this 3/28

Mass Effect tech...

 

I was just pointing out how ridiculous those ME guns became.

 

I mean, guns that need a replacement clip after 1/2 shots? That's just so feking inefficient I could cry. Hell, today's guns are much better.

 

I don't know who "Balanced" those guns, but for crying out loud, can you guys just make advanced technology look and feel like advanced technology?

(sticking blue lights everywhere is nice, but that's not the point)


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^ meh it's gameplay balanced and when dealing with fictional damage thresholds you can write it how you want. Basically anything that one shot kills given the shield tech needs a slowdown for balance otherwise the PC kills enemies too fast to create the desired threat level. Story wise you just say in order to create enough energy to pop a shield you generate X heat. So 1 shot maybe 3 is a select super gun.

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Why should a Black Widow have only 3 shots?

 

I mean if a Barret today can have a 10 round magazine, than the shiny honking space gun of the future is going to be a single / triple shot weapon?

 

Cus it was the most OP class (infiltrator) and weapon in the game in single player. :)

 

At least if you played on keyboard and mouse where 3 shots = 3 headshots. ME 2 Infiltrator was harder. Had to really save ammo, and pick who you wanted to snipe before switching to the Locust/SMG. ME 3 Widow? I don't know how anyone could complain about that beast of a weapon. Maybe it is much harder to aim on a console controller?

 

I steamrolled through ME 3 after I got that Widow. Looked kind of like this. 

 



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Cus it was the most OP class (infiltrator) and weapon in the game in single player. :)

 

At least if you played on keyboard and mouse where 3 shots = 3 headshots. ME 2 Infiltrator was harder. Had to really save ammo, and pick who you wanted to snipe before switching to the Locust/SMG. ME 3 Widow? I don't know how anyone could complain about that beast of a weapon. Maybe it is much harder to aim on a console controller?

 

I steamrolled through ME 3 after I got that Widow. Looked kind of like this.

 

But it's not just one sniper rifle, it's shotguns with an average of 2/3 rounds per clip, it's handguns with 2/4 rounds per clip, etc.

It's just mindbogglingly stupid. There are enough games out there that are able to survive without making weapons so stupidly inefficient.

 

Is it because of the MP component? Than just use separate weapons for it.

 

It just seems like Bioware rarely cares anymore about immersion and logic in their games.



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But this is war not a slaughterhouse 

If you had seen what happens to the human body when shell,bullets and explosions work their magic you would not be saying that.


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But it's not just one sniper rifle, it's shotguns with an average of 2/3 rounds per clip, it's handguns with 2/4 rounds per clip, etc.
It's just mindbogglingly stupid. There are enough games out there that are able to survive without making weapons so stupidly inefficient.

Is it because of the MP component? Than just use separate weapons for it.

It just seems like Bioware rarely cares anymore about immersion and logic in their games.


While I agree with your premise i guess the design of fictional guns in a sci fi setting never broke immersion for me. I have issues with melee as a primary attack form for immersion and logic reasons but gun balance I can accept as I don't really know how much energy is needed to pop the games shields vs how fast they regenerate in setting. So I can see vs validity of a single shot device that blows right through it.
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The only melee only or melee centric gameplay style I can see working is for those aliens that have natural weapons and armor that allow them to stand toe-to-toe (more or less) with modern firearms and armor; namely aliens like the Rachni.

 

Apart from that, I don't really see how using a melee focused character could work in a universe were everyone has a gun.


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Some enemies that Vanguard charge would be cool, but I'd rather their close range attacks were limited to biotics or attacks with the omni tool blade.



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If the E3 trailer is anything to go by there will be no shortage of melee in ME:A. The N7 guy doesn't even fire he runs straight for the omniblade stab.

 

Not only that but it looks like the Turians' jetpack heavy melee from ME3MP. So I'm optimistic they will add more MP melee attacks into SP. I'm open to anything, swords, shields, whips and whatnot.


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you can sneak up to someone and cut their throat ... it's quiet and efficient

 

 

or any critical organ for that matter, a collapsed lung is still a collapsed lung.


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I know when I saw the Cerberus Phantom I was like NO FAIR I WANNA BE A SPACE NINJA!!! Cerberus seemed to me to get all the cool toys. I would love for some sort of high tech version of a sword and shield be put in the game. BUT maybe something a little closer to home. Since this is fantasy and not RL why not go nuts with what the omni tool can do.  Why not combine the Omni tool with cloaking and bombs, making something akin to a space rogue. Also from what I have seen there is an Omni Cross bow, which would be cool.

 

If anything I would like the engineer class to be upgraded and be even more high tech, maybe the omni tool could get up grades. Upgrades like different sized blades and anything else that could be used in battle. 

 

Regardless if it gets put in the game, its fun to think about. 


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I'm all for the future swords. The omnitool stab/punch and the biotic charge aren't as satisfying. Plus, it would allow me to play the entire game without a gun in my hand. Biotics + future sword tech... Mmmmm *tweaks nipple*

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I'm all for the future swords. The omnitool stab/punch and the biotic charge aren't as satisfying. Plus, it would allow me to play the entire game without a gun in my hand. Biotics + future sword tech... Mmmmm *tweaks nipple*

You should play Warframe as space ninja.

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I highly doubt Cerberus will be in game, (sighting a (stolen??) ship is a LOT different to them being in game) and I definately don't want "Space Ninja's", WTF.

My laser against the Ninjas sword...hmmm, need to find that Indiana Jones clip, :ph34r: :rolleyes:

 

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What is the gun and the sword are the same weapon? There have been science fiction franchises that have had one weapon able to serve both roles. It usually stays in one mode, but at the push of a button it becomes the other mode or even something in between so it can be both at the same time. 

 

Rifle Mode:

Spoiler

 

Sword Mode:

Spoiler


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or a FF style Gunblade 

 

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Make the katana orange and i'm sold

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Or a big-ass electric Sword that can shoot electric currents 20 feet and a black widow 3 shot sniper rifle...

Electric slash is cheap, I only ever use it to stagger groups of enemies and to detonate tech/fire explosions through walls. Other than that if you do spec fully into it then you have no choice but to spam the hell out of it, it's more fun and effective to spec for melee and shadow strike IMO, I just witnessed a shadow pug the other day electric slash an abomb when it was right in front of him in his face. 


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#121
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So the answer to the idiocy of Kai Lame and the Cool Sword is to go full JRPG/Anime and bring gunswords?...

 

Plx no more...


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What is the gun and the sword are the same weapon? There have been science fiction franchises that have had one weapon able to serve both roles. It usually stays in one mode, but at the push of a button it becomes the other mode or even something in between so it can be both at the same time. 

 

Rifle Mode:

Spoiler

 

Sword Mode:

Spoiler

 

Wouldn't it be more consistent with the ME technology to use an Omni-sword/katana/whatever instead?


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Electric slash is cheap, I only ever use it to stagger groups of enemies and to detonate tech/fire explosions through walls. Other than that if you do spec fully into it then you have no choice but to spam the hell out of it, it's more fun and effective to spec for melee and shadow strike IMO, I just witnessed a shadow pug the other day electric slash an abomb when it was right in front of him in his face. 

 

i am all for choice. why not both



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Wouldn't it be more consistent with the ME technology to use an Omni-sword/katana/whatever instead?

Not really. To use an Omni-Blade means sacrificing the ability to use a gun other than a pistol or SMG at best for the duration of the Omni-Blade's use. A weapon that is both by definition avoids this problem. It's why in history soldiers tended to use a bayonet on their rifle before using a knife in their hand while in combat. Being able to use it as a spear or a gun in an instant is better than dropping the gun to grab a knife.

 

Plus while we may have invented the Omni-Blade to have our gun-users have a blade, the races in Andromeda most likely had to develop their own ways, so them having something different like what I described could be their solution. And since we will almost certainly be using alien weapons, they become available to us. So it would be as consistent as any other Andromeda tech. 



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 It's why in history soldiers tended to use a bayonet on their rifle before using a knife in their hand while in combat. Being able to use it as a spear or a gun in an instant is better than dropping the gun to grab a knife.

 

Additionally, if we talk about the earlier times, the gun+bayonet had to do double duty as a spear against cavalry charges, so you could get rid of the pikemen. Hard to stop a horse with a knife.


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