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[We'll bang okay]

NO  I want space mermaids 

[The Real Pearl #2]

NO  I want space mermaids 

And space whales.

[The Real Pearl #2]

Wouldn't it be more consistent with the ME technology to use an Omni-sword/katana/whatever instead?

Exactly, paint the damn katana orange

[Kalas Magnus]

And space whales.

but there aint no whales so we tell tall tales

[The Real Pearl #2]

but there aint no whales so we tell tall tales

what else are you going to tell me? Space santa is not real?

[Kalas Magnus]

what else are you going to tell me? Space santa is not real?

no. he's real.

 

wish he wasnt...

[Anvos]

So far I've yet to see a decent reason for why swords over just the omnitool weapons and beyond the physical reasons I'm not sure why you'd want to have to sacrifice an equipment load out slot/weight to have a physical weapon that doesn't do anything Omni blades don't.

 

Mind you however I do think it might be interesting and add to class diversity if maybe certain classes had a different Omni weapon.

 

Something like

 

Adept would get the basic omniblade since their not really a melee.

Infilitrator would get like an omnidirk/dagger that is still essentially the blade but gets a bonus when exiting stealth and maybe restealths if the melee attack kills. (or just keep the blade and add that as a passive)

Engineer would say use an Omni weapon that doesn't do much damage but has a tazer effect.

Vanguard would get an Omni sword since their supposed to be good at melee and would have highest range and damage of melee weapons.

Soldier would say get the Omni shield, where it would have a knockback effect and the ability to hold/channel the shield.

[theflyingzamboni]

I like ME for the fact that they make sense. Weapons are not OP, everything is explained. But going back to medieval style of combat with sword and shield, when people around are capable of creating black holes at will and have full body shielding trough kinnetic and biotic barriers, its just... unreasonable

By their own lore, I think bladed weapons actually make sense as stealth kill weapons. People always bring up kinetic barriers, as why swords/ knives are useless, but it would be the hard components that did the blocking. The codex for kinetic barriers states that they react to and stop small high velocity objects. They note it isn't sensitive to slower moving objects, or you couldn't sit down. A blade stab probably wouldn't meet the passive response threshold. I'd say this is backed up in game as well when Eva smacks the crap out of the VS. You'd be relying on the physical armor, especially the plating, but there are always gaps for a blade. Considering how much gunfire it can take to remove a barrier, it seems to me there would be instances in this universe where a blade is more effective.

 

When the enemy designs armor to be effective against common weapons, use an uncommon weapon.

-Sun Tzu, probably

[Wulfram]

I don't really like having swords in Mass Effect. They set the wrong tone, for me.

Omni-bayonets make a lot of sense.

[Eleonora]

Omni-blades and -shields are fine, but I don't need swords in Mass Effect.

[Nattfare]

I love swords, got two mounted on the wall as well as two just lying about.

 

Yet I feel that swords would be somewhat out of place in a setting like Mass Effect. Especially with the Omni-Blades, that you can keep even more concealed than a knife, let alone a sword, for silent kills.

[Chardonney]

I love lightsabers but I still say no to swords in MEA. Omni-blade is good, though.

[Kamal-N7]

What about an omni-sword?

[SentinelMacDeath]

what about an omni-broadaxe? Cut enemies as well as trees down to the stump. 

[Han Shot First]

What about an omni-sword?

 

I wouldn't mind that. 

 

It wouldn't require the person humping extra, obsolete equipment and wouldn't require firearms being replaced. 

[FKA_Servo]

At the end of the day, isn't an omni-sword just a lightsaber?

[Han Shot First]

At the end of the day, isn't an omni-sword just a lightsaber?

 

Any blade generated by the omni tool is more similar to a bayonet in that it supplements the primary weapon (a firearm of some sort) rather than outright replacing it. An Alliance Marine (or whomever) never needs to holster their weapon to use it.

 

A lightsaber, despite the energy blade, is more like a samurai sword in that its the primary weapon. An omni-blade (whether knife or sword length) also hopefully wouldn't be deflecting incoming rounds.

[SardaukarElite]

At the end of the day, isn't an omni-sword just a lightsaber?

 

They aren't anywhere near as cool. 

[FKA_Servo]

They aren't anywhere near as cool. 

 

This is obviously true.

 

Any blade generated by the omni tool is more similar to a bayonet in that it supplements the primary weapon (a firearm of some sort) rather than outright replacing it. An Alliance Marine (or whomever) never needs to holster their weapon to use it.

 

A lightsaber, despite the energy blade, is more like a samurai sword in that its the primary weapon. An omni-blade (whether knife or sword length) also hopefully wouldn't be deflecting incoming rounds.

 

Right, which is why an "omni-sword" would just be impractical. Whether it's used strategically or as a last resort, the omni-blade is strictly a close quarters tool - a significantly longer blade would just be a liability. With an omni-sword, if you're not fighting other combatans wielding similar weapons... it seems like you're just standing there getting shot.

 

I do like the omni-blades as implemented in ME3, FWIW.

[Han Shot First]

This is obviously true.

 

 

Right, which is why an "omni-sword" would just be impractical. Whether it's used strategically or as a last resort, the omni-blade is strictly a close quarters tool - a significantly longer blade would just be a liability. With an omni-sword, if you're not fighting other combatans wielding similar weapons... it seems like you're just standing there getting shot.

 

I do like the omni-blades as implemented in ME3, FWIW.

 

I'm totally cool with the omni blades remaining the length they were at when Shepard gave Kai Leng a skewering, but if the devs went full Rule of Cool and lengthened it to sword-length it probably wouldn't bother me. I agree with you that it doesn't necessarily make sense.

 

Old school swords like the ones Kai Leng used strain my suspension of disbelief a bit more than that would.

 

Having said that, I know my preferences regarding suspension of disbelief are a bit random. 

[Ahglock]

I think suspension of disbelief breaks here for a lot of people because it's a cover based shooter. The entire reason cover based shooters gained traction is it was a small nod to realism of gun based warfare. It wasn't bullet time or other over the top action. The idea is if you aren't in cover you are getting shot the hell up. When it then changes to unless you have a sword it just doesn't make sense. Given that biotics and tech powers changes that up a bit but primary melee still ends up a bit too far.

If the game was more pure action like some of the bullet time games or hit point sink based like borderlands melee as a primary might feel better with the setting.

Just don't use it doesn't work as its hurting the setting for the people who don't like it. It's not like I just don't use sniper rifles as I don't like the gameplay. It's existence hurts the enjoyment I get as I'm eye rolling too much during the game. It's like if there was a unicorn gun that launched a unicorn that then farted a rainbow death beam. Yeah I can say just don't use it but its existence changes the setting to something I don't like.

Now melee enemies work in gameplay as a way to make a character not feel too comfortable in cover. Grenades fill a similar role. With melee enemies it has the added benefit of adding a tactical target choice element. Personally I don't like phantoms as there is no in game reason on how they are closing. It's just they are moving and have 90% dmg reduction just cause. Brutes etc at least make sense. If it was a vanguard based enemy with natural weapons it would work as well. Without natural weapons I go why don't you shoot me. Maybe attaching a sticky grenade would be a cool gameplay tactic for a enemies melee. Damage with a knockdown effect maybe.

Anyways melee as a backup or secondary I'm all for. It being a primary attack form I just can't get behind.

[General TSAR]

Riots shields and Omni-shields are pretty much a given.

 

Omni swords? What is this Halo? What kind of idiot would run around with a goddamn sword besides Kai "Cereal killer" Lang, Cerberus sexy flip idiots, and that N7 chucklehead?

 

Omni bayonets that you can detach as melee weapons are perfect.

[The Real Pearl #2]

Riots shields and Omni-shields are pretty much a given.

 

Omni swords? What is this Halo? What kind of idiot would run around with a goddamn sword besides Kai "Cereal killer" Lang, Cerberus sexy flip idiots, and that N7 chucklehead?

 

Omni bayonets that you can detach as melee weapons are perfect.

don't diss the shadow, probably the only good thing to come from physics breaking swords. 

[Han Shot First]

Riots shields and Omni-shields are pretty much a given.

 

Omni swords? What is this Halo? What kind of idiot would run around with a goddamn sword besides Kai "Cereal killer" Lang, Cerberus sexy flip idiots, and that N7 chucklehead?

 

Omni bayonets that you can detach as melee weapons are perfect.

 

Omni swords I imagine wouldn't be something that a person was running around with 24/7. I picture it as being similar to the weapon Shepard generated to kill Kai Leng, just longer.  Basically any weapon from the omni tool would be situational and not replace firearms.

 

I prefer they keep it the length of the blade that killed Kai Leng, but I wouldn't mind if it was made longer.

[Master Warder Z_]

Omni swords I imagine wouldn't be something that a person was running around with 24/7. I picture it as being similar to the weapon Shepard generated to kill Kai Leng, just longer.  Basically any weapon from the omni tool would be situational and not replace firearms.

 

I prefer they keep it the length of the blade that killed Kai Leng, but I wouldn't mind if it was made longer.

 

Personally?

 

I wish they'd bring knife combat into play over sword craft given that knife fighting IS something soldiers are trained to do, it goes along with bayonets and other close quarters battle, so I wouldn't mind if say were attacked by a knife wielding assailant and had to use one in kind. Kaiden confirms that the alliance has a standard issue Tanto.