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Since we're having Cerberus in ME:A Let us use Swords & Space Shields!


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#151
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The obvious solution, so that people can finally fight with medieval weapons in a scifi setting, is, to declare magic is real in the ME universe, of course. ;) It´s obvious we need a setting where medieval weapons are a thing.

...Because Dragon Age isn't a thing, as a BioWare franchise

 

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While they don't create the cannons you are referring to, they do develop a way to kill Titans without endangering their own people. This is why humanity is currently on the offensive against the Titans in the manga. However, this weapon is one that can only be defensive in nature, similar to the cannons you proposed, so when it comes to offense the shearing blades are still the weapon to use for killing Titans.


That's interesting. Can't wait for season two.

Swords are cooler and more dramatic but imagine if Levi had a powerful armor piercing rifle. Then it would be possible to get a killing strike from various distances and angles and way out of the titans reach.

#153
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Having an omnishield like the broker did would be nice.

all of my YES!



#154
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wait when was cerberus confirmed for ME:A?



#155
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wait when was cerberus confirmed for ME:A?

 

It wasn't. People are just stupid and believe every fake leak that comes along.



#156
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wait when was cerberus confirmed for ME:A?

 

 

That hasn't been confirmed. It is coming from another rumored leak. Of course...grain of salt and all that.

 

Some person on Reddit who claimed insider information, whether legit or not, gave some supposed gameplay details. One of the details mentioned shuttles with the Cerberus logo.

 

Of course even if this turns out to be legit and not just someone trolling, it is impossible to say whether or not the shuttles are just placeholders.

 

I'm hoping this is fake. Nothing would ruin the story of the game faster than for Mac Walter's favorite word baby to once again have an outsized role.


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-Snip-

 

That hasn't been confirmed. It is coming from another rumored leak. Of course...grain of salt and all that.

 

Some person on Reddit who claimed insider information, whether legit or not, gave some supposed gameplay details. One of the details mentioned shuttles with the Cerberus logo.

 

Of course even if this turns out to be legit and not just someone trolling, it is impossible to say whether or not the shuttles are just placeholders.

 

I'm hoping this is fake. Nothing would ruin the story of the game faster than for Mac Walter's favorite word baby to once again have an outsized role.

 

Ah I didnt even notice that there was a second leak. Crap...

 

For Christ's sake, if they do Cerberus, I may boycott.

 

Nice name and avatar btw :P



#158
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You can keep you swords and shields, i have my sniper rifle



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Shields? Sure.

 

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#160
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Shields? Sure.

 

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That was the most ridiculous and cringe worthy part of that DLC, I mean frack physics, Shepard is just going to punch into submission a

mountainous alien super-predator ten times his mass. Right.



#161
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Mass Effect Andromeda + sword + biotic powers...

 

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YES!!! OH YES PLEASE DO THIS!!! I COULD MAKE KYLO RYDER ^_^... 

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YES!!! OH YES PLEASE!!! I COULD MAKE KYLO RYDER ^_^... 

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grumpy-cat.jpgBecause cheap Jacen Solo rip off is cheap.


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That was the most ridiculous and cringe worthy part of that DLC, I mean frack physics, Shepard is just going to punch into submission a

mountainous alien super-predator ten times his mass. Right.

How does it go? "You can fight like a krogan...



#164
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Why use a sword when an axe works best?

 

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grumpy-cat.jpgBecause cheap Jacen Solo rip off is cheap.

 

-_- At least I wasn't a disrespectful ass and used a spoiler warning tab...


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-_- At least I wasn't a disrespectful ass and used a spoiler warning tab...

 

To warn against what? The last name? I guess that is sort of a big deal if you didn't see it coming a mile away.

 

Or that they just plainly ripped off a better antagonist from the EU? Because that is true :P

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o.o But yes the farther we stay away from bad knock off the better.



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To warn against what? The last name? I guess that is sort of a big deal if you didn't see it coming a mile away.

 

Or that they just plainly ripped off a better antagonist from the EU? Because that is true :P

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Oh now you use spoiler tabs... And just because something happened in EU didn't mean it would of in the movie. So, no you wouldn't of seen it coming, seeing as they changed other things too. Also not everyone read the comics. Regardless, I was still respectful to people who haven't seen the movie yet.



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Because cheap Jacen Solo rip off is cheap.

I hope you don't post rage comics too

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I hope you don't post rage comics too
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Why? I have no 'rage' just disdain.

Cashing in on the EU while simultaneously treating it with derision is just cheap to me. Steal the ideas and then not give due credit, plus Caedus was truthfully better as he wasn't a overgrown man-child going through a bout of daddy issues and could actually fight competently.

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Course you could call it the nature of things...like the EU giving us Darth Bane and the Rule of Two actual exposition back in 01 rather then a single line by Yoda in TPM.

.-. Truly this is nothing new, so I don't treat it as anything but the continuation of a practice Lucas loved to do.

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Oh now you use spoiler tabs... And just because something happened in EU didn't mean it would of in the movie. So, no you wouldn't of seen it coming, seeing as they changed other things too. Also not everyone read the comics. Regardless, I was still respectful to people who haven't seen the movie yet.


Yes because that actually was a spoiler for the novel series o.o

And also...erm where have you been? Ripping off the EU has been present since the prequels

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Yes because that actually was a spoiler for the novel series o.o

And also...erm where have you been? Ripping off the EU has been present since the prequels

 

This is starting to get off thread subject, which it wouldn't of if you hadn't messaged me. If you want to talk Star Wars, do it in PM, and at the time before Disney took Star Wars away from Fox (Thank whatever god/dess), the prequels were part of original canon. Also, how can you rip off something you own?



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Having an omnishield like the broker did would be nice.

 

I thought this would be a thing when they were talking about melee for ME3, but it ended up just being heavy strikes.

 

 

It further destroys the lore. Why use swords in modern combat when you can simply use anything else. Sneak up by going invisible and shoot them in the head, or biotic charge them and blast them away?

 

As has been mentioned, it would bypass shields. That advantage does have to be weighed against the other practical implications, but it is something. The fact that a biotic can just Push them away is a big deal.

 

 

they are. at least one cerberus ship was sighted.

 

Ugh, I hope not. My interest would take a dive.

 

 

 

One could argue that due to kinetic shields both the survivability and killing power of someone armed with a melee weapon has increased. Since when defended by a shield a person can take a couple of shots before they close in, and same kinetic shield will be penetrated by relatively low-speed melee weapon (think Dune).

 

It took awhile for someone to bring this up. Congrats on being first.

 


Oh and Jedi still benefited from using a blaster (see Grievous getting shot). Just because the prequel dialogue was awful and he disdained the weapon that just saved his life, calling it uncivilized (what an idiot) did not make the weapon not practical for a Jedi at times.

 

 

I can't let this stand. That whole scene was awful and that movie wasn't much better. The line was supposed to be a reference to Obi-Wan calling the lightsaber "an elegant weapon for a more civilized age." Putting Obi-Wan in that situation was as moronic as having Yoda and Dooku be equally matched in the Force. It isn't about practicality. The Jedi should be above that. "Wars not make one great." The prequels broke so much of what Star Wars is. It's actually kind of like Mass Effect in a way. Adventure and deeper meaning were replaced with dumb, flashy action.

 

 

Kai Leng was a wannabe assassin.. What's the point in giving him a sword if he's going to stick it in the ground like he did on Thessia?

 

To break it before you stab him.

 

Borderlands has no realism and it was/is fun.

 

That was part of Borderlands' thing though, wasn't it?



#173
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I've also noted that people do not bring up Warhammer 40k as a comparable source, despite the wide use of swords and other melee weapons. Yes some of those wielders are super human or demonically enhanced, but you do have your average joe human wielding a sword or other such close combat weapons. This is also a universe that employs massive mechs, giant monsters and colossal ships on a regular basis. Yet close combat weapons are still a common feature of all the factions, so much so, that it is kind of one of the hallmarks of the game.

 

I guess to some degree, the swords and shields do kind of fall into the 'rule of cool' in ME. But I don't see why some kind of reason could be implemented for it to make sense in universe. Hell, the mere fact that Omni-blades exist shouldn't discount the use of swords. How can something that isn't actually solid be formed into a sharp blade for attacking or defence? There was, as far as I can remember an actual reason why Omni-blades were suddenly a thing in ME3.  

 

The Omni-blade is solid. It's formed from the omni-tool microfactory and is so thin as to be invisible. The hologram is for the user to know where it is so he doesn't cut himself.

 

As for melee in WH40K, they are constantly fighting hordes of melee monsters knowing some will reach them, or they have some way of closing ground quickly, ie jump packs or teleport.

 

 

I think suspension of disbelief breaks here for a lot of people because it's a cover based shooter. The entire reason cover based shooters gained traction is it was a small nod to realism of gun based warfare. It wasn't bullet time or other over the top action. The idea is if you aren't in cover you are getting shot the hell up. When it then changes to unless you have a sword it just doesn't make sense. Given that biotics and tech powers changes that up a bit but primary melee still ends up a bit too far.

If the game was more pure action like some of the bullet time games or hit point sink based like borderlands melee as a primary might feel better with the setting.

Just don't use it doesn't work as its hurting the setting for the people who don't like it. It's not like I just don't use sniper rifles as I don't like the gameplay. It's existence hurts the enjoyment I get as I'm eye rolling too much during the game. It's like if there was a unicorn gun that launched a unicorn that then farted a rainbow death beam. Yeah I can say just don't use it but its existence changes the setting to something I don't like.

Now melee enemies work in gameplay as a way to make a character not feel too comfortable in cover. Grenades fill a similar role. With melee enemies it has the added benefit of adding a tactical target choice element. Personally I don't like phantoms as there is no in game reason on how they are closing. It's just they are moving and have 90% dmg reduction just cause. Brutes etc at least make sense. If it was a vanguard based enemy with natural weapons it would work as well. Without natural weapons I go why don't you shoot me. Maybe attaching a sticky grenade would be a cool gameplay tactic for a enemies melee. Damage with a knockdown effect maybe.

Anyways melee as a backup or secondary I'm all for. It being a primary attack form I just can't get behind.

 

This is a good point. The other big difference is in force size. A melee unit like the phantom works for Cerberus because they have all kinds of other dudes shooting at you to keep you suppressed. This allows the melee units, who still have ranged weapons, to advance. Shepard, or Ryder in the case of Andromeda, is one person with a small squad, so a melee focus would make less sense. This is why Kai Leng is more annoying. He doesn't have this either, so it stands out. The stupid gunship only suppresses Shepard while Leng's shields recharge, unless I am remembering incorrectly.

 

 

That was the most ridiculous and cringe worthy part of that DLC, I mean frack physics, Shepard is just going to punch into submission a

mountainous alien super-predator ten times his mass. Right.

 

I was ok with it because Shepard is a cyborg with all sorts of enhancements. Was that not enough for you? Unless you forgot, which is easy because the game and characters largely do.

 

 

Yes because that actually was a spoiler for the novel series o.o

And also...erm where have you been? Ripping off the EU has been present since the prequels

 

I've only read a bit from the EU, though I did hear that Jacen Solo turns to the Dark Side. People have been speculating for a long time that he would be the villain in the new movie. However, everything in the EU is secondary to the films. They are only quasi-canon. If they have something good for the new films that violates something in the EU, it should go in. Something that violates the other films should not. "Ripping off the EU" isn't half as big a problem with the prequels as the issues they cause with the original trilogy.



#174
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Also, how can you rip off something you own?


Not citing sources comes to mind first and foremost. Just because concepts falls under license doesn't mean you can't be called out for blatantly ripping off said concepts.

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Not citing sources comes to mind first and foremost. Just because concepts falls under license doesn't mean you can't be called out for blatantly ripping off said concepts.

 

...you're the most annoying sort of fanboy. Citing sources? Was an asterisk supposed to appear over Kylo Ren's head every time he was on screen, pointing the viewers to a text box at the bottom of the screen? 


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