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[Master Warder Z_]

Until Humanity crushed them under their boot which happens in most fantasy I have learned.

 

Elves are awesome! Until Humanity shows up and kills a lot of them, enslaves the rest or forces them to flee.

[Tidus]

What's funny is they never got dex bonuses before.The elves were the ones with magic boosts in DAO. Humans actually made the best rogues, stat wise.

 

But I like I said, I like the elf dex tank. And the difference was negligible. They even got even more badass if you were Spirit Warrior in DAA. Better archers than rogues.

 

And now you can neither adjust stats, be an archer, dual wield, or use daggers.

I have tried Shems but,never could get them up to my preferences for rogues. Probably me but, my Elves seem to be stronger  and hit harder then my few attempts using a Shem.

 

I use Dex, Strength,will power and constitution in my Elf rogue build.  Weapons is the strongest sword and dagger he/she can use at their current level. After gaining Duncan's sword and dagger I add silverlite runes. I also add runes to Meric's sword for Leliana. 

 

When my three rogues and Morrigan arrives at the Dalish  camp (third in my game play) they are hitting in the 40/50s and Morrigan is tossing ice and fire spills and using walking bomb.

 

By the time I head for Ozammar (after Soldier's Peak and Ostagar)  I have three rogue tanks and a tank mage ready for the deep roads.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Is there any evidence from the games that elves actually have any less physical strength or stamina than a human? The Emerald Knights were destroyed because elves were greatly outnumbered.

[Ashagar]

Depends about some the fantasies when it comes to the nature of elves. Some I fantasies I have read have the elves operate on Orange and blue morality or flat out live up to their original Fair Folk origins of being evil deceptive pricks when on their their best behavior.

[SgtSteel91]

I just ignore that stupid rule that all Elves must be short and skinny. Why can't there be tall, fat, or muscular elves?

[Ashagar]

Because that's how it is in the DA universe? Other settings have elves that are taller than humans,supernaturally strong and make the elven god kings and the anceint magisters combined look like saints while others are tiny, live under hills and have a ungodly amount of magic that no mortal can fight head on while operating on orange and blue morality.

[Tidus]

I just ignore that stupid rule that all Elves must be short and skinny. Why can't there be tall, fat, or muscular elves?

 

Ever notice Leliana isn't much taller then her Elven sweetie in DA:O? 

 

 There's no way I would believe the Dalish Elves isn't muscular due to their life style..

[nightscrawl]

Not just that, but we don't know how strong elves are. They don't have to have the same strength compared to muscle ratio as a human, or dwarf, or qunari. Like the Drell in ME, who are stated to have more stronger muscles even if they aren't any bigger than the average human.

 

And that. Inquisition's weapons especially are over-sized, with the exception of staves. Have you seen the daggers? They look like shortswords. Two-handers are also much bigger than they should be. I don't know the reasoning behind this, but I wouldn't be surprised if the devs just wanted us to be able to see the weapons in combat. Also, there are probably some fairly lightweight building materials in this universe.

 

I thought many of the longsword models were of a decent size, which is one reason I prefer to use them. The axes are as well, but I eschew those.

[nightscrawl]

Ever notice Leliana isn't much taller then her Elven sweetie in DA:O? 

 

 There's no way I would believe the Dalish Elves isn't muscular due to their life style..

 

So I'll just point to some of the ginormous football and baseball players who, despite being great athletes, have an actual gut hanging out, or the sumo wrestlers who could break any one of us in half. Besides, not ALL members of a Dalish clan will be the young, fit hunters who are getting constant exercise. Like any nomadic peoples, all members will have their roles and jobs, and some are more physically demanding than others. There will also be older members who don't do much in the way of physical activity anymore, not only because they are now weaker, but because they've earned some down time in their golden years.

 

Yes, there will indeed be fat elves, with the likelihood increasing for the city elf. While the people of a given race may trend toward a certain physical type, that doesn't mean that they will ALL be of that type. Lifestyle, vocation, genetics -- all are contributing factors.

 

And really, relying on the physical models we've seen in the game is silly, since every single person of a given race and gender is the same size as their fellows. This is how Bioware has chosen to have body models in their game, but it would be absurd to think that they are accurate physical representations.

[Bad King]

Doesn't Michel de Chevin note that some of the Dalish were highly skilled with a sword and shield in TME? So yes, they are believable warriors, albeit with more emphasis on speed, stamina and finesse than brute force (a la Chasind or Avvar). As for the Emerald Knights, they appear to have been highly effective for the first few phases of the war: it was only when they came up against hordes of fanatics (see the Exalted March) that they got overwhelmed.

[Qun00]

I just ignore that stupid rule that all Elves must be short and skinny. Why can't there be tall, fat, or muscular elves?

Because we don't have those. The only exception I remember is Fenris, but he had an unique character model.

[Sylvius the Mad]

They are thin and frail-looking by human standards. But elves are naturally athletic, and strength is less important in battle than sheer stamina.

Except that the weapons on Thedas are gigantic.

[thats1evildude]

And the heroes of Thedas are superhuman.

[GoldenGail3]

So I'll just point to some of the ginormous football and baseball players who, despite being great athletes, have an actual gut hanging out, or the sumo wrestlers who could break any one of us in half. Besides, not ALL members of a Dalish clan will be the young, fit hunters who are getting constant exercise. Like any nomadic peoples, all members will have their roles and jobs, and some are more physically demanding than others. There will also be older members who don't do much in the way of physical activity anymore, not only because they are now weaker, but because they've earned some down time in their golden years.
 
Yes, there will indeed be fat elves, with the likelihood increasing for the city elf. While the people of a given race may trend toward a certain physical type, that doesn't mean that they will ALL be of that type. Lifestyle, vocation, genetics -- all are contributing factors.
 
And really, relying on the physical models we've seen in the game is silly, since every single person of a given race and gender is the same size as their fellows. This is how Bioware has chosen to have body models in their game, but it would be absurd to think that they are accurate physical representations.

I would laugh if I saw a fat elf. I'd want to take some of the fat elves fattness and put on my skinny little Artemis. He needs fattening up....

[Jedi Master of Orion]

There was a fat crazy elf in Dawn of the Seeker, for whatever that's worth. 

[Master Warder Z_]

There was a fat crazy elf in Dawn of the Seeker, for whatever that's worth.

Jiggly!

[Illegitimus]

I'm not worried about it.  Humans in Dragon Age can and do achieve levels of strength that are real-world impossible for their size.  So why not elves?  

[Han Master]

Yes with Magic

[Patchwork]

I assume their physical make-up is different like I assume qunari and dwarves are.  There's more to it than pointy ears, horns and stoutness. 

[Tidus]

Yes with Magic

 

Would that be blood magic? 

[CuriousArtemis]

They are thin and frail-looking by human standards. But elves are naturally athletic, and strength is less important in battle than sheer stamina.

 

Yeah which is why they make excellent rogues (stupid term, what does that even mean... they fight with daggers/short swords). I love the way the elves fight in the LOTR/Hobbit movies, especially Tauriel and Legolas, with two swords. 

 

I made my DAO warrior high dex.. he's freaking uber, as far as tanks go. And kind of makes sense, lorewise. That concept doesn't exactly transfer to DAI though. That's one of the bad things about taking away stats. It's part of roleplaying. It isn't just about numbers, but personality and training.

 

I always played around with the idea of making Fenris a Vanguard with high dex and cun.. just to make him distinct from Carver. It's not the best, but it works.

 

One of the first things I did when modding my DA2 game was make Fenris a DW'er... it just makes so much more sense and man does he look cool lol

[Ashagar]

Yeah which is why they make excellent rogues (stupid term, what does that even mean... they fight with daggers/short swords). I love the way the elves fight in the LOTR/Hobbit movies, especially Tauriel and Legolas, with two swords. 

 

 

One of the first things I did when modding my DA2 game was make Fenris a DW'er... it just makes so much more sense and man does he look cool lol

 

Ironically the wood elves were spear men in Tolkien's Hobbit which like other polearms sadly doesn't exist in dragon age. Spears and polearms are under-appreciated in fantasy games especially given they often served as the primary weapons historical real life military forces as well as many mythical and literally heroes while swords were often the secondary weapon.

[GoldenGail3]

Yes with Magic

I think my Elves need blood magic. Or just really high diet will do. Or excerise. Maybe a high diet (like fattening and stuf) and lots of exercise will get them to look... Less like I could push them down with one poke.

[Master Warder Z_]

Ironically the wood elves were spear men in Tolkien's Hobbit which like other polearms sadly doesn't exist in dragon age. Spears and polearms are under-appreciated in fantasy games especially given they often served as the primary weapons historical real life military forces as well as many mythical and literally heroes while swords were often the secondary weapon.

 

Well that's mainly due to it being a hell of a lot easier to make a competent spearmen then it was a swordsmen, plus swords are usually more expensive, they require a smith and a spear can be made from anyone who can cut down a tree and file down lumber.

[Ashagar]

To a point though even elite warriors though the ages made use of spears and other pole arms as well along with their swords, they tend to give the advantage of reach for one thing, they also focused the power and weight of a rider and horse into a narrow point or were useful to engage the enemy at close range before entering melee.