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[Mega-Japan]

I want to be the baws of all.

 

If an assassin, a seeker, and some arrogant mage can become divine, I don't see why the inquisitor can't. Specially if female human is chosen...

[Han Shot First]

Probably because only the human Inquisitor would make sense, and even then only if they're a devout Andrastian.

 

I'm glad the Inquisitor couldn't become Divine personally. It would have turned the character into a little bit of a Sue if in addition to saving the world, he/she ended up as the most politically powerful person in Thedas south of Tevinter.

[DuskWanderer]

Because you are not a part of the church

[vbibbi]

Theologically, I would think placing someone who calls herself the Herald of Andraste would bring about a schism in the Chantry similar to the Black Divine, or in the real world, Protestantism breaking away from the Catholic Church (except in reverse in this case). It's surprising enough that Vivienne doesn't bring more dissent as the first (openly) mage Divine, as that seems to echo Tevinter a bit too much. But placing a religiously controversial figure as the head of a religion is a sure way of getting backlash from conservative elements and threatening a crisis within the structure of the Chantry.

[In Exile]

They considered the option, for all races and both genders, but they decided it wouldn't work. Presumably because it ran into the "too many divergent endings" problems. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Most likely because of horrible import system that keeps ruining possible choices ,or doesn't give you choice at all in order to force same outcome in next game.Truth is that Inquisitor would be easily able to grab divine seat as chantry wouldn't be in position to stop them, hell they couldn't do anything about templars let alone inquisition , but game doesn't allow you act on your ambitions and secure your power and well in Trespasser we can see why. 

[Mega-Japan]

Ok there motivators, the inquisitor becoming divine would cause no more "conflicts" than the warden become King of Ferelden in DA1. For that, you had to be a human male noble, no other way. This could've been the case for the divine, human female noble would've been the obvious choice. Keyword: choice. If you wanted to make Cassandra, Leliana, or ugly mage over there become a Divine, sure, you may still choose that, and in fact would be forced too if you aren't a human female noble. But besides that, the choice should've been there. Did becoming king of Ferelden not get controversy itself if that was your choice in DA1? Allister mentions that "the warden preferred to chase after Anora's skirt" if that was indeed your import. In other words, none of those are real valid excuses to rip you of that choice.

 

Just my 2¢, that is all.

[Dai Grepher]

Cassandra says it's because you're too fat, or something.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Dragon age origins was first game and at that point they had no idea if there will be the next , that is why later epilogues were just rendered as rumors and many decisions were irrelevant and/or lead to the same outcome in later games.The warden was thrown under the bus after first game and even warden beeing Queen/King is irrelevant as it doesn't influence anything and she has to share power with Alistair/Anora that have first word.Putting Inquisitor in that position would create even more variations a lot more and they had problem with maintaining even current ones when it comes to this matter as they shown in Trespasser.So in short it would end causing rage "WHY MY INQUISTOR ALLOWED CIRCLES/COLLEGE TO EXIST , S/HE WOULD NEVER DO THAT!" .

 

   

[thats1evildude]

I want to be the baws of all.

If an assassin, a seeker, and some arrogant mage can become divine, I don't see why the inquisitor can't. Specially if female human is chosen...

The assassin and Seeker were already high-ranking members of the Chantry. The mage is the highest-ranked member of the Loyalist mages.

You're an outsider with no official sanction from Andraste wielding ancient elven magic. They might as well stick Dorian on the Sunburst Throne as you.

[Mega-Japan]

The assassin and Seeker were already high-ranking members of the Chantry. The mage is the highest-ranked member of the Loyalist mages.

You're an outsider with no official sanction from Andraste wielding ancient elven magic. They might as well stick Dorian on the Sunburst Throne as you.

 

An outsider who, by the end of this game, pretty much holds the most influence in all of Thedas. The inquisitor has the power to do just about anything. Power to choose the divine, to choose the empress, to kill the empress, ally himself/herself with just about any tribe or nation, if the inquisitor wanted to be the emperor/empress of a unified Thedas, what exactly would stop him/her? When you have so much power, not being able to say "fawk ya'll, I'mma be divine myself" is just silly.

[thats1evildude]

It would be more accurate to say the Inquisition holds major sway as long as Corypheus lives. No one is going to question the necessity of the Inquisition holding keeps and commanding a large army while Corypheus threatens the world.

That was the point of Trespasser: once the threat was over, the powers that be quickly began to question the purpose of the Inquisition. Some wanted to see it gone, and others wanted to use it for their own purposes.

If you blatantly started acting as a tyrant and declaring yourself the king of this or that, that support would fall away even more quickly.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The assassin and Seeker were already high-ranking members of the Chantry. The mage is the highest-ranked member of the Loyalist mages.

You're an outsider with no official sanction from Andraste wielding ancient elven magic. They might as well stick Dorian on the Sunburst Throne as you.

LoL , Leliana isn't member of the chantry at best she is lay sister (lowest rank in the chantry) , Leliana was just doing Divine dirty job unofficially and didn't have official position in the chantry.

 

 

It would be more accurate to say the Inquisition holds major sway as long as Corypheus lives. You are preferable to a world ruled over by the Elder One.

If you blatantly started acting as a tyrant, that support would fall away quickly.

Who would stop him , Inquisition had people support and belived he was Herald of Andraste i doubt that folks would support random sisters over guy think is champion of their god.

[thats1evildude]

She was the Left Hand of the Divine.

[TheKomandorShepard]

She was the Left Hand of the Divine.

LoL , this isn't official position in the chantry only self-earned title unless you want to tell me that chantry openly hires assassins to do dirty and illegal work  instead hiding this.

[Han Shot First]

LoL , Leliana isn't member of the chantry at best she is lay sister (lowest rank in the chantry) , Leliana was just doing Divine dirty job unofficially and didn't have official position in the chantry.

 

The Left Hand of the Divine is an official position.

 

You're right that she isn't a priest though, but then, being a priest doesn't seem to be a requirement. None of the Divine candidates are clerics and Divine Victoria isn't the first lay person to get appointed Divine.

[TheKomandorShepard]

The Left Hand of the Divine is an official position.

 

You're right that she isn't a priest though, but then, being a priest doesn't seem to be a requirement. None of the Divine candidates are clerics and Divine Victoria isn't the first lay person to get appointed Divine.

 

Doubtful, as i said least smartest thing for the chantry or should i say divine would be openly admit they hire assassin and commit illegal activities especially considering chantry nature (divine can't even admit to playing The game) as well pope could openly hire assassin and make it position in the church.

 

You are correct that not every divine was priest but that doesn't change fact it is unlikely (and by that i mean good luck with that) chantry would pick out assassin that had no position in it to represent it , same for Viviene only for reason her not only not being part of the chantry but for being a mage. The only somewhat legitimate candidate would be Cassandra as she held official position in organisation that was tied to the chantry but even then it would be unlikely though at least not completely out of the touch with reality. The only legitimate candidate among Inquisition would be Giselle and funnily she isn't even option.

 

 

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[greenbrownblue]

I want to be the baws of all.

 

If an assassin, a seeker, and some arrogant mage can become divine, I don't see why the inquisitor can't. Specially if female human is chosen...

Because the Inquisitor has to become a protagonist in DA4 and kick ass. Also, can divines actually marry?

[AresKeith]

Because the Inquisitor has to become a protagonist in DA4 and kick ass. Also, can divines actually marry?

 

You might be setting yourself up for disappointment that way

[leaguer of one]

Because you are not a part of the church

nether was any of the candidates.

[Gaia300]

Dragon age origins was first game and at that point they had no idea if there will be the next , that is why later epilogues were just rendered as rumors and many decisions were irrelevant and/or lead to the same outcome in later games.The warden was thrown under the bus after first game and even warden beeing Queen/King is irrelevant as it doesn't influence anything and she has to share power with Alistair/Anora that have first word.

   

i'm unsure for AListair case, since he is the formal heir of his own dinasty after Cailan's death  it may be correct that he has  the first word over the queen consort.

But the situation for the male consort is very much different,since Anora not only possess less riches and titles than her consort , but she also is less legitimated than Alistair in fact she did acquired the title of regnant queen thanks to the consort help only and not because of Eamon support at the landsmeet(that aid and approve of Alistair), the king consort who gave to her and himself the crown and she is also the daughter of a disgraced general and just like Alistair she is not 100% of the nobility but unlike this one she isn't part of the Theirin dinasty..

In DAI she(unlike AListair) did had problem of legitimacy(her codex) and was looking for the consort to keep quiet the nobility.

So her having first word isn't because of her dominance into power but more likly because the Warden as to be irrelevant as much as possible for DAI,this could have been easy to resolve if DAI didn't involved Ferelden but only Orlais.

[Ashagar]

The hands of the divine were official traditional chantry positions though ones that only function with authority when there is a divine much like the knight enchanters and Knights Divine who also personally serve and answer to the divine and not the chantry in general.

 

I will admit though Cassandra was a unusual case because she was a seeker and not a Templar which traditionally the right hand of the divine were, of course given her position of hero of Olrais for saving the previous divine from a assassination conspiracy involving a blood mage cult, the grand cleric of Orlais and a knight commander likely had something to do with the lack of objections.  Her slaying multiple dragons and then impaling a pride demon abomination in view of thousands likely also helped... All of which made me think she should have been saving the world and we should have just been her companion aiding her.

[DebatableBubble]

Totally would have loved a male Qunari as Divine. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

i'm unsure for AListair case, since he is the formal heir of his own dinasty after Cailan's death  it may be correct that he has  the first word over the queen consort.

But the situation for the male consort is very much different,since Anora not only possess less riches and titles than her consort , but she also is less legitimated than Alistair in fact she did acquired the title of regnant queen thanks to the consort help only and not because of Eamon support at the landsmeet(that aid and approve of Alistair), the king consort who gave to her and himself the crown and she is also the daughter of a disgraced general and just like Alistair she is not 100% of the nobility but unlike this one she isn't part of the Theirin dinasty..

In DAI she(unlike AListair) did had problem of legitimacy(her codex) and was looking for the consort to keep quiet the nobility.

So her having first word isn't because of her dominance into power but more likly because the Warden as to be irrelevant as much as possible for DAI,this could have been easy to resolve if DAI didn't involved Ferelden but only Orlais.

 

 

Anora has first word as she didn't allow the warden to become king when asked about it for that very reason so she was in charge not the warden.If Anora is in charge Theirin (Well , unless she married Alistair)  line becomes irrelevant as line is either gone or last Therin resigned from his claims to the Throne.I wouldn't say Anora is less wealthy than HoF as she is Queen and the warden only is only Prince Consort what doesn't mean much in terms of power,Of course warden have quite influences that come from other sources but in the end Queen unless ousted is in control of nation. If something HoF would have bigger chance to be in control if married to Alistair as he is submissive and somewhat naive in contrast to Anora that is power-hungry and politically savvy but in the end Alistair is still one in charge and making decisions in Inquistion and even Da 2.

 

 

The hands of the divine were official traditional chantry positions though ones that only function with authority when there is a divine much like the knight enchanters and Knights Divine who also personally serve and answer to the divine and not the chantry in general.

 

I will admit though Cassandra was a unusual case because she was a seeker and not a Templar which traditionally the right hand of the divine were, of course given her position of hero of Olrais for saving the previous divine from a assassination conspiracy involving a blood mage cult, the grand cleric of Orlais and a knight commander likely had something to do with the lack of objections.  Her slaying multiple dragons and then impaling a pride demon abomination in view of thousands likely also helped... All of which made me think she should have been saving the world and we should have just been her companion aiding her.

Once again i doubt that it is completely unrealistic,divine has to be clean (after all divine is face of the chantry) or at least be tought to be clean Justinia barely have been elected divine just because of rumors that we don't even know about.Once again compare that pope having assassin as offical part of the church and then there is fact that chantry isn't above law so having official function that is involved in illegal activity is out of the question.Knight Enchanters if i recall served as bodyguards what isn't illegal to my knowledge and aren't part of the chantry.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

They considered the option, for all races and both genders, but they decided it wouldn't work. Presumably because it ran into the "too many divergent endings" problems. 

 

If that's true, couldn't they just have let it be an option for female Humans? Like being King or Queen was for Couslands only?