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[thats1evildude]

Same **** every game. "Why can't I be King of Orzammar?" "Why can't I be King of Ferelden?" "Why can't I be Divine?" And next game it'll be "Why can't I be Archon?"

[Ghost Gal]

An outsider who, by the end of this game, pretty much holds the most influence in all of Thedas. The inquisitor has the power to do just about anything. Power to choose the divine, to choose the empress, to kill the empress, ally himself/herself with just about any tribe or nation, if the inquisitor wanted to be the emperor/empress of a unified Thedas, what exactly would stop him/her? When you have so much power, not being able to say "fawk ya'll, I'mma be divine myself" is just silly.

 

How greedy you are.

 

All this power, yet you still want more.

[Ashagar]

You forgot the other one, why can't be we be the Black Divine... For my part I am hoping we aren't even the hero next time around but the main companion to the Great Hero that will save Tevinter from the Qunari or whatever threat Bioware might throw at us to replace them let perhaps the people beyond the sea and of course Solas greater scope villain plans.

[berelinde]

Really?

 

The sole reason the Inquisitor doesn't become Divine is because the Chantry is scared pantsless over you. You rallied nations against a threat most people couldn't even contemplate without fainting, and you did it all despite being a Carta thug/mercenary/Circle mage/Dalish hunter/Keeper's apprentice/dissipated rake/etc/etc/etc. Point is, you went in with nothing but some green particle effects and came out leading Thedas against a threat most people couldn't even understand, let alone counter. There is no way any religious organization in their right mind would give you more power than you already wield. They want to keep *some* for themselves, after all.

[berelinde]

Same **** every game. "Why can't I be King of Orzammar?" "Why can't I be King of Ferelden?" "Why can't I be Divine?" And next game it'll be "Why can't I be Archon?"

Maybe we will become Archon! And then, no doubt, we will suffer the fate traditionally bestowed upon people who rise through the Tevinter hierarchy and be executed while we're doing something embarrassing. I'm calling it now.

[Ashagar]

Really?

 

The sole reason the Inquisitor doesn't become Divine is because the Chantry is scared pantsless over you. You rallied nations against a threat most people couldn't even contemplate without fainting, and you did it all despite being a Carta thug/mercenary/Circle mage/Dalish hunter/Keeper's apprentice/dissipated rake/etc/etc/etc. Point is, you went in with nothing but some green particle effects and came out leading Thedas against a threat most people couldn't even understand, let alone counter. There is no way any religious organization in their right mind would give you more power than you already wield. They want to keep *some* for themselves, after all.

 

I would say rather any no sane organization, nation or sane rational peop would want to put even more power into the hands of someone like the Inquisitor no matter how noble their intentions seem when they already have so gathered so much power to begin with.
 

[Mega-Japan]

Same **** every game. "Why can't I be King of Orzammar?" "Why can't I be King of Ferelden?" "Why can't I be Divine?" And next game it'll be "Why can't I be Archon?"

 

Because it has to make sense.

 

You can't be king of Orzammar because you're nobody at that point. Even if you choose to be a dwarf, you're just some warden dwarf and nothing much beyond that. The very fact you're there during that period is so that you gain trust and support (AKA you don't have any).

 

You CAN be King of Ferelden, it's just a very specific route.

 

And just like being King of Ferelden worked, you should've had the option to be Divine. The specific route of "must be female human noble", couldn't have been THAT hard now.

 

How greedy you are.

 

All this power, yet you still want more.

 

Yes.

 

 

For my part I am hoping we aren't even the hero next time around but the main companion to the Great Hero that will save Tevinter from the Qunari or whatever threat Bioware might throw at us to replace them let perhaps the people beyond the sea and of course Solas greater scope villain plans.

 

That doesn't sound appealing and a move that would probably disinterest me (and likely many others) in the game.

Seriously, what's cooler, being a BAWS or being some minion? Doesn't sound like  a game I would buy.

 

Really?

 

The sole reason the Inquisitor doesn't become Divine is because the Chantry is scared pantsless over you. You rallied nations against a threat most people couldn't even contemplate without fainting, and you did it all despite being a Carta thug/mercenary/Circle mage/Dalish hunter/Keeper's apprentice/dissipated rake/etc/etc/etc. Point is, you went in with nothing but some green particle effects and came out leading Thedas against a threat most people couldn't even understand, let alone counter. There is no way any religious organization in their right mind would give you more power than you already wield. They want to keep *some* for themselves, after all.

 

I'm the Inquisitior. They don't have to "HAND" me anything. I should be able to pretty much force my way in. Either through gossips, favors, or what have you. I have just about anything I could need at my disposal. I have Cullen and an army, an ambassador/chief diplomat, and a spymaster who would kill anyone at my will. If my influence is big enough to decide the next divine (from assassins to a fancy mage), there is no logical explanation as to why the same can't work on myself as long as I'm a female noble.

 

I know this HAD to be in the developer's minds, hence there is a dialogue option of "why can't I be divine?" when talking to Cassandra, but their reason for excluding the route is straight up bad imo.

[Illegitimus]

I want to be the baws of all.

 

If an assassin, a seeker, and some arrogant mage can become divine, I don't see why the inquisitor can't. Specially if female human is chosen...

 

Leliana and Cassandra are considered for the position because they were high-ranking members of the Chantry bureaucracy as well as high ranking members of the Inquisition.  Bringing them in as Divine rebuilds the influence of the Chantry by affiliating them with the Inquisition, the new big guy.  But bringing in the Inquisitor would increase her power.  Instead of the Chantry gaining some influence over the Inquisition, it would become an adjunct to the Inquisition.  (If Vivienne makes her play instead, she does it through means and connections with the Orlesian Court that the Inquisitor just doesn't have.)

[TheKomandorShepard]

Leliana and Cassandra are considered for the position because they were high-ranking members of the Chantry bureaucracy as well as high ranking members of the Inquisition.  Bringing them in as Divine rebuilds the influence of the Chantry by affiliating them with the Inquisition, the new big guy.  But bringing in the Inquisitor would increase her power.  Instead of the Chantry gaining some influence over the Inquisition, it would become an adjunct to the Inquisition.  (If Vivienne makes her play instead, she does it through means and connections with the Orlesian Court that the Inquisitor just doesn't have.)

Only Cassandra is member of the chantry or rather was tied to the chantry because she was seeker, as i said Leliana was just doing Divine dirty work it is ridiculous she is candidate same for Vivienne.

[Illegitimus]

Only Cassandra is member of the chantry or rather was tied to the chantry because she was seeker, as i said Leliana was just doing Divine dirty work it is ridiculous she is candidate same for Vivienne.

 

<shrug>  You're wrong.  Leliana had an official position.  

[TheKomandorShepard]

<shrug>  You're wrong.  Leliana had an official position.  

Of course , face of the church hiring assassin and function involving other illegal activities as offical position in the church, good luck with that.

[Mega-Japan]

Leliana and Cassandra are considered for the position because they were high-ranking members of the Chantry bureaucracy as well as high ranking members of the Inquisition.  Bringing them in as Divine rebuilds the influence of the Chantry by affiliating them with the Inquisition, the new big guy.  But bringing in the Inquisitor would increase her power.  Instead of the Chantry gaining some influence over the Inquisition, it would become an adjunct to the Inquisition.  (If Vivienne makes her play instead, she does it through means and connections with the Orlesian Court that the Inquisitor just doesn't have.)

 

m(_ _)m

Because making the Inquisitor's minion Divine (all 3 candidates work under the Inquisitor) sure won't give power to the inquisition and most certainly makes more sense than straight up giving the position to the Inquisitor herself. What guarantees whoever becomes Divine won't just take orders from the Inquisitor? Seriously, it's not like the chantry doesn't know, in fact, they specifically consider those options because as you said, the ARE in the Inquisition. What's stopping the inquisitor from telling a newly Divine Leliana "abolish the chantry"?

*sigh*

[thats1evildude]

Do you really think Cullen and the Inquisition's army would support you becoming Divine by force? I think not. Only in the Envy Demon's fantasy did the Herald have THAT much power.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Do you really think Cullen and the Inquisition's army would support you becoming Divine by force?

Why not , Cullen in first place isn't fan of chantry clergy, and Inquisition forces as well common folks think you are champion of their god.

[Illegitimus]

m(_ _)m

Because making the Inquisitor's minion Divine (all 3 candidates work under the Inquisitor) sure won't give power to the inquisition and most certainly makes more sense than straight up giving the position to the Inquisitor herself. What guarantees whoever becomes Divine won't just take orders from the Inquisitor? Seriously, it's not like the chantry doesn't know, in fact, they specifically consider those options because as you said, the ARE in the Inquisition. What's stopping the inquisitor from telling a newly Divine Leliana "abolish the chantry"?

*sigh*

 

What do you think Leliana's answer would be if that happened?  They don't figure that Cassandra or Leliana will be totally under the Inquisitor's thumb because each of them has her own agenda over and above any personal loyalty they feel to the Inquisitor herself.  They want the new Divine to be on cooperative terms with the Inquisition.  But they don't want to hand her that kind of blank cheque.  

 

Of course , face of the church hiring assassin and function involving other illegal activities as offical position in the church, good luck with that.

 

It's not that different from a former director of the CIA becoming President.  

[nightscrawl]

It would be more accurate to say the Inquisition holds major sway as long as Corypheus lives. No one is going to question the necessity of the Inquisition holding keeps and commanding a large army while Corypheus threatens the world.

That was the point of Trespasser: once the threat was over, the powers that be quickly began to question the purpose of the Inquisition. Some wanted to see it gone, and others wanted to use it for their own purposes.

If you blatantly started acting as a tyrant and declaring yourself the king of this or that, that support would fall away even more quickly.

 

Do you know what impresses me most about the original Inquisition? They fought horrific battles, killed and died for their cause… and when it was time, they put their swords away. Perhaps the name was Divine Justinia’s message: That when the Inquisition is needed, it will strike without mercy. But when its work is done, it will put its sword away.
 
-- Revered Mother Giselle

 
This is exactly how I feel about the whole thing, which is why I chose to disband.

[TheKomandorShepard]

It's not that different from a former director of the CIA becoming President.  

Except in first place CIA is goverment organization, second what CIA is doing officially and unofficially are 2 different matters and third he wasn't for certain elected because of being director of the CIA only because he was politician.  

[Mega-Japan]

Do you really think Cullen and the Inquisition's army would support you becoming Divine by force? I think not. Only in the Envy Demon's fantasy did the Herald have THAT much power.

 

Romance Cullen and he basically becomes a puppet. Worst that can happen is "????? Slightly/Greatly Disapproves" when making such decision.

 

What do you think Leliana's answer would be if that happened?  They don't figure that Cassandra or Leliana will be totally under the Inquisitor's thumb because each of them has her own agenda over and above any personal loyalty they feel to the Inquisitor herself.  They want the new Divine to be on cooperative terms with the Inquisition.  But they don't want to hand her that kind of blank cheque.  

 

 

It's not that different from a former director of the CIA becoming President.  

 

Cassandra might get the benefit of the doubt, but Leliana is very easy to manipulate. Why wouldn't they figure they are under the Inquisitor's "thumb"? They work right under her, and they are loyal to the inquisitor. That would be the first logical thought in any similar scenario...

[BansheeOwnage]

My impression was that the Left Hand of the Divine was an official position, but they aren't officially assassins, naturally. Their job description is probably close to what Leliana tells you when she avoids answering directly. Everyone knows what they do, just like we know what our spies do, but admitting it publicly? Scandalous!

[TheKomandorShepard]

My impression was that the Left Hand of the Divine was an official position, but they aren't officially assassins, naturally. Their job description is probably close to what Leliana tells you when she avoids answering directly. Everyone knows what they do, just like we know what our spies do, but admitting it publicly? Scandalous!

And what left hand is supposed to do , when even name of the function is quite telling.Spies get away with things and well as well goverment organizations or figures because they work for/are part of goverment that upholds and enforces law and chantry doesn't. 

[Illegitimus]

Romance Cullen and he basically becomes a puppet. Worst that can happen is "????? Slightly/Greatly Disapproves" when making such decision.

 

 

Cassandra might get the benefit of the doubt, but Leliana is very easy to manipulate. Why wouldn't they figure they are under the Inquisitor's "thumb"? They work right under her, and they are loyal to the inquisitor. That would be the first logical thought in any similar scenario...

 

They're also loyal to the Maker and the Chantry.  If the Inquisitor demanded they abandon that previous loyalty even after they become Divine so they now stand to lose their power by doing so, then their loyalty to the Inquisitor would come up short and justifiably so.  And to a large extent the Inquisitor has been under their thumb.  They founded the Inquisition.  They decided to nurture the notion that she was sent by Andraste and used her not just as a rift-closing tool but a figurehead to sway the public in their favour.  They decided that she would take the title of Inquisitor and weren't much interested in her opinion of the idea.  They offered her options, but controlled what those options were to steer her.   

[thats1evildude]

Romance Cullen and he basically becomes a puppet. Worst that can happen is "????? Slightly/Greatly Disapproves" when making such decision.

You have a rather cynical take on the Cullen romance. He loves you - that does not make him your slave.

[sylvanaerie]

Maybe we will become Archon! And then, no doubt, we will suffer the fate traditionally bestowed upon people who rise through the Tevinter hierarchy and be executed while we're doing something embarrassing. I'm calling it now.

 

Like sitting on the can?  Because power worked out so well for that Lannister guy.

[Cantina]

I was fine with not having the option to become Divine. Who the hell wants to be stuffed in The Grand Cathedral listening to all the rich snobs back-stab each other just fun!?!

 

I was more peeved that there was going to be a new Divine and your Inquisitor got to choose. When I read the codex it stated, "Divine Justina maybe know as the final Divine."

 

I was like..."Oh my goodness. Bioware finally found their balls!" Then it was a huge disappointment that there was going to be a new Divine and the choice was in the Inquisitors hands." Really? Lame. It would have been far more interesting if the whole "No Divine" thing carried over into the DLC and into the next game. But alas like with most Bioware stories, contrived from the start to get from point A to point B and having lame cliff hangers like a modern soap opera.

[Cantina]

Like sitting on the can?  Because power worked out so well for that Lannister guy.

 

Just stay away from whores;especially whores you know are involved with your friends or whomever. Also a good idea if that happens to remove any crossbows or spoons within the vivacity.

 

Course you could always go for the: "She just fell on me" approach. Its risky, but you might get lucky and realize the friend or whomever is really a big idiot.