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[Mega-Japan]

They're also loyal to the Maker and the Chantry.  If the Inquisitor demanded they abandon that previous loyalty even after they become Divine so they now stand to lose their power by doing so, then their loyalty to the Inquisitor would come up short and justifiably so.  And to a large extent the Inquisitor has been under their thumb.  They founded the Inquisition.  They decided to nurture the notion that she was sent by Andraste and used her not just as a rift-closing tool but a figurehead to sway the public in their favour.  They decided that she would take the title of Inquisitor and weren't much interested in her opinion of the idea.  They offered her options, but controlled what those options were to steer her.   

 

Yet the inquisitor gets to make every single little choice about the organization. From executions, to empress/emperor selection, to divine selection, to how does the revered mothers take a dump on Sundays. Cassandra and Leliana might have been the kickstarters, but it was the inquisitor that made the inquisition mean anything. How many real life companies have been started by some random dude but didn't mean much until someone else took the helm? Quiet a few come to mind.

 

You have a rather cynical take on the Cullen romance. He loves you - that does not make him your slave.

 

Manipulating someone that loves you is rather easy my friend. The morality of it is irrelevant, but it can be done.

 

I was fine with not having the option to become Divine. Who the hell wants to be stuffed in The Grand Cathedral listening to all the rich snobs back-stab each other just fun!?!

 

I was more peeved that there was going to be a new Divine and your Inquisitor got to choose. When I read the codex it stated, "Divine Justina maybe know as the final Divine."

 

I was like..."Oh my goodness. Bioware finally found their balls!" Then it was a huge disappointment that there was going to be a new Divine and the choice was in the Inquisitors hands." Really? Lame. It would have been far more interesting if the whole "No Divine" thing carried over into the DLC and into the next game. But alas like with most Bioware stories, contrived from the start to get from point A to point B and having lame cliff hangers like a modern soap opera.

 

If you want to choose someone else, that's fine and dandy. In fact you'd be forced to if you're anything BUT a female human noble. That's why it's called a "choice". If there would've been no divine, period, that would've been an entirely different matter.

[Cantina]

 

If you want to choose someone else, that's fine and dandy. In fact you'd be forced to if you're anything BUT a female human noble. That's why it's called a "choice". If there would've been no divine, period, that would've been an entirely different matter.

 

Maybe its cause I am getting sleepy, but I read this reply three times and overall this makes no sense.

 

Translation please. Anyone?

[Mega-Japan]

Maybe its cause I am getting sleepy, but I read this reply three times and overall this makes no sense.

 

Translation please. Anyone?

 

I re-read it and it sounds like simple english to me.

Perhaps you should re-read the quoted message followed by this one for you to understand.

[In Exile]

If that's true, couldn't they just have let it be an option for female Humans? Like being King or Queen was for Couslands only?

That wouldn't fix the issue. It's not DAI resources being spent. It's DA4+.

[Shechinah]

That wouldn't fix the issue. It's not DAI resources being spent. It's DA4+.

 

There's also how you may not hear much, if anything, about Ferelden and the changes the monarchy may make thereby making a player character that attains the role of co-monarch less problematic to implement than a player character who becomes the Divine as the changes a Divine would influence and bring about in the chantry would be something you'd not only hear about but also see.

 

This would likely mean that they could not as easily leave the player character with the choices that they could leave their non-player characters who become Divine since the latter is characters that they write and so can plan ahead with while the former would likely need more choices to fit the variety of character personalities and players would likely complain if their player character as Divine made changes that seemed out-of-character in mentions.
 

[Joseph Warrick]

The inquisitor is enough of a speshul snowflake already. I don't think the PC should even become inquisitor, let alone divine. You should be the rift-closing guy, nothing more.

[Mega-Japan]

The inquisitor is enough of a speshul snowflake already. I don't think the PC should even become inquisitor, let alone divine. You should be the rift-closing guy, nothing more.

 

Your sir may go right ahead a pitch your idea on "how to make on hell of a boring game" to a developer of your choice.

[berelinde]

I would say rather any no sane organization, nation or sane rational peop would want to put even more power into the hands of someone like the Inquisitor no matter how noble their intentions seem when they already have so gathered so much power to begin with.
 

Forgive me if I'm misunderstanding you. I'm usually a lot better at understanding "forum post writing" errors (you start out saying one thing, reword it halfway through, and don't erase all traces of the first wording), but that "any no" is throwing me, and there's nothing in the rest of the post to indicate whether you mean "any" or "no".

 

If you mean "any" then I would like to point out that I said "would want to" not "should." People who have power usually want to keep it, and the Inquisitor is too much of a threat to their authority as it is.

 

If you mean "no" then we're pretty much on the same page. Even with the Divine dead and the Chantry infrastructure in tatters, the Chantry still wields tremendous power. I don't see them handing that over to the inquisitor no matter how altruistic he or she seems to be.

[In Exile]

There's also how you may not hear much, if anything, about Ferelden and the changes the monarchy may make thereby making a player character that attains the role of co-monarch less problematic to implement than a player character who becomes the Divine as the changes a Divine would influence and bring about in the chantry would be something you'd not only hear about but also see.

 

This would likely mean that they could not as easily leave the player character with the choices that they could leave their non-player characters who become Divine since the latter is characters that they write and so can plan ahead with while the former would likely need more choices to fit the variety of character personalities and players would likely complain if their player character as Divine made changes that seemed out-of-character in mentions.
 

 

More importantly, we now know the Inquisitor's plot is tied to Solas. Mercifully setting aside the "Will the Inquisitor be (a/the) DA4 PC?" debate, the way to portray and tie-up that relationship with Solas becomes a lot more complex with a third thread: Inquisitor as Divine (added to Inquisitor as subordinate to the Chantry and former Inquisitor). 

[Elfyoth]

Why can't I become the president?

[LOLandStuff]

Why Divine and not the Maker?

[thats1evildude]

WHY CAN'T I KILL EVERYONE IN THE WORLD AND REST MY THRONE ATOP A MOUNTAIN OF THEIR SKULLS

[ComedicSociopathy]

WHY CAN'T I KILL EVERYONE IN THE WORLD AND REST MY THRONE ATOP A MOUNTAIN OF THEIR SKULLS

 

Khorne beat you to it. 

[Aren]

Anora has first word as she didn't allow the warden to become king when asked about it for that very reason so she was in charge not the warden.If Anora is in charge Theirin (Well , unless she married Alistair) line becomes irrelevant as line is either gone or last Therin resigned from his claims to the Throne.I wouldn't say Anora is less wealthy than HoF as she is Queen and the warden only is only Prince Consort what doesn't mean much in terms of power,Of course warden have quite influences that come from other sources but in the end Queen unless ousted is in control of nation. If something HoF would have bigger chance to be in control if married to Alistair as he is submissive and somewhat naive in contrast to Anora that is power-hungry and politically savvy but in the end Alistair is still one in charge and making decisions in Inquistion and even Da 2.


Once again i doubt that it is completely unrealistic,divine has to be clean (after all divine is face of the chantry) or at least be tought to be clean Justinia barely have been elected divine just because of rumors that we don't even know about.Once again compare that pope having assassin as offical part of the church and then there is fact that chantry isn't above law so having official function that is involved in illegal activity is out of the question.Knight Enchanters if i recall served as bodyguards what isn't illegal to my knowledge and aren't part of the chantry.

Anora isn't more wealthy than her consort hl which had Amaranthine and Gwaren as well as releationship with Highever and the king of Orzamaar and she does not necessarly possess more power just because is the sovereign queen (for the warden having a releation with Leliana the Divine is pretty much another power boost because she is a powerful ally.
However i think that after the merriage those riches are shared.
Also being king consort is optimal as it is pretty much impossible to think about the Gw duty and rule a nation at the same time ,a reignant monarch
isn't free to pursue others role other than rule the nation.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Anora isn't more wealthy than her consort hl which had Amaranthine and Gwaren as well as releationship with Highever and the king of Orzamaar and she does not necessarly possess more power just because is the sovereign queen (for the warden having a releation with Leliana the Divine is pretty much another power boost because she is a powerful ally.
However i think that after the merriage those riches are shared.
Also being king consort is optimal as it is pretty much impossible to think about the Gw duty and rule a nation at the same time ,a reignant monarch
isn't free to pursue others role other than rule the nation.

 

How do you know how wealthy Anora is? Amaranthine is grey wardens not HoF possession, they only managing it or should i say were and Gwaren is optional, she does possess more power as she holds power over entire country HoF doesn't and HoF responds to her, at best they possess Gwaren and govern Amaranthine.Leliana is irrelevant because Leliana have nothing to say in matters of the nations only chantry.As i said being prince consort doesn't mean much because Anora is in charge that is why you aren't king only prince consort in first place.

[Madfox11]

How do you know how wealthy Anora is? Amaranthine is grey wardens not HoF possession, they only managing it or should i say were and Gwaren is optional, she does possess more power as she holds power over entire country HoF doesn't and HoF responds to her, at best they possess Gwaren and govern Amaranthine.Leliana is irrelevant because Leliana have nothing to say in matters of the nations only chantry.As i said being prince consort doesn't mean much because Anora is in charge that is why you aren't king only prince consort in first place.

 

I think you place too much stock on the value of titles. If you look at RL history you would see that barons could have more influence than the king of the same nation. It all depends on the ability of a person to use and develop their own personal network to increase their own political power while working against the networks of others. Of course, a title and a domain helps (sometimes a lot), but it can be overshadowed through skill and chance.

 

Anora obviously makes the Warden a king consort because he would totally overshadow her otherwise. Anora is a commoner. The GW is a noble from a respected family with a lot of influence in the Landsmeet. The GW just saved the nation and is extremely popular with the common folk. The GW is personal friends with the rulers of the dwarf kingdom. The GW is a high ranking Gray Warden. Depending on their relation with Lelianna, the GW might even have a direct inroad with the Divine.

 

In other words, the difference in the titles means little unless Anora is more political savvy than the GW. The difference in influence between the title of consort and King is simply not big enough, especially in a nation like Feralden were the ruler cannot actually ignore their nobles. The only thing she has going in her favor is that we know she is an able bodied politician. Whether or not the GW is, is up to our own head canon, but considering you need to do some political maneuvering to even become the consort, I find it hard to belief that the GW's political power is not at least equal to if not higher than Anora.

[TheKomandorShepard]

I think you place too much stock on the value of titles. If you look at RL history you would see that barons could have more influence than the king of the same nation. It all depends on the ability of a person to use and develop their own personal network to increase their own political power while working against the networks of others. Of course, a title and a domain helps (sometimes a lot), but it can be overshadowed through skill and chance.

 

Anora obviously makes the Warden a king consort because he would totally overshadow her otherwise. Anora is a commoner. The GW is a noble from a respected family with a lot of influence in the Landsmeet. The GW just saved the nation and is extremely popular with the common folk. The GW is personal friends with the rulers of the dwarf kingdom. The GW is a high ranking Gray Warden. Depending on their relation with Lelianna, the GW might even have a direct inroad with the Divine.

 

In other words, the difference in the titles means little unless Anora is more political savvy than the GW. The difference in influence between the title of consort and King is simply not big enough, especially in a nation like Feralden were the ruler cannot actually ignore their nobles. The only thing she has going in her favor is that we know she is an able bodied politician. Whether or not the GW is, is up to our own head canon, but considering you need to do some political maneuvering to even become the consort, I find it hard to belief that the GW's political power is not at least equal to if not higher than Anora.

 

No i don't , people do that not me im just pointing how it is, Queeen and King as i said are most important figure in the country and their domain is entire country. I belive i already pointed that if King/Queen is gullible and weak they can end as figurehead, except none of those are in case when it comes to Anora.

 

Yes , that is as i said you were made only Prince consort (what again doesn't mean much) what was deliberate ,  thus she is one who is in charge. Anora isn't commoner (lol) aside from fact that she is bearing royal title for long time she was teyrn daughter, in fact Anora have large support from nobility already in dao because she was competent Queen.The HoF isn't friends with King of Orzammar , being friends and owing favor are different matters.Being grey warden also means nothing , lets say grey wardens don't last as favorites for long thanks to their actions if something HoF title means more here, only thing it allowes you to do in Ferelden is governing Amaranthine.And as i said being in relationship with divine doesn't mean anything when it comes matters of the nations because chantry doesn't hold any power over nation.

 

It means a lot, once again if it meant little Anora wouldn't allow you to be prince consort as she didn't allow you to become king.Also no it isn't, she has vast support from nobility and is quite popular with Folks and even is respected in Orlais (what is quite telling) at least according to informations from dao and dai (or should i say she had those things until certain incident with mages  ) .   

[Lebanese Dude]

Because BioWare said so.

 

/thread

[Aren]

No i don't , people do that not me im just pointing how it is, Queeen and King as i said are most important figure in the country and their domain is entire country. I belive i already pointed that if King/Queen is gullible and weak they can end as figurehead, except none of those are in case when it comes to Anora.

 

Yes , that is as i said you were made only Prince consort (what again doesn't mean much) what was deliberate ,  thus she is one who is in charge. Anora isn't commoner (lol) aside from fact that she is bearing royal title for long time she was teyrn daughter, in fact Anora have large support from nobility already in dao because she was competent Queen.The HoF isn't friends with King of Orzammar , being friends and owing favor are different matters.Being grey warden also means nothing , lets say grey wardens don't last as favorites for long thanks to their actions if something HoF title means more here, only thing it allowes you to do in Ferelden is governing Amaranthine.And as i said being in relationship with divine doesn't mean anything when it comes matters of the nations because chantry doesn't hold any power over nation.

 

It means a lot, once again if it meant little Anora wouldn't allow you to be prince consort as she didn't allow you to become king.Also no it isn't, she has vast support from nobility and is quite popular with Folks and even is respected in Orlais (what is quite telling) at least according to informations from dao and dai (or should i say she had those things until certain incident with mages  ) .   

I completly agree with madfox11.

First, unlike Orlais Ferelden is ruled under several arle,bann and two Theirn.

A title alone it's ultimately not sufficient to allow to a certain noble  (the sovereign queen in this case) to extend their power over the whole nation

 

Queeen and King as i said are most important figure in the country and their domain is entire country

So your statement here on the top cannot be applied to Fereleden

 

Even if Cailan was the sovereign king he didn't had the power to order to Arle Howe to surrender just because of his title superiority,he would have need to beat him and beat his region as well by force as he intended to do (proof his banter to the Human noble at Ostagar)

The network of influence as well as the political scheme and allies are more important.

For the king consort have the thieirn of Gwaren and the Arle of Amaranthine under his control as well as being the brother of the Theirn of Highever are simply thing that Anora cannot outmatch,given the fact that she didn't accumulated a good reputation in DAI after the whole mage issue(she alone is responsible),as well as her family particularly her father may have affected the opinions of the nobles on the Mac tir family.

Being close to the Divine is just another power boost of influence that cannot be ignored,Leliana knows a lot of People in Orlais as well as in Ferelden and the chantry itself is a powerful organization that has link in all the nations of the south,so being close to a Divine who knows many people is just another advantage..

The king of Orzamar (particularly Bhelen who is the one who don't die) is a friend of the Warden not just someone who how a favor to him,at the golem of agmarrak Jerrick  was adviced by the king of Orzamar (Bhelen)  to contact the HoF which was a friend for him.

in DAA if the memories of the heroes dwarves are retrieved it is stated in the epilogues that the king again invited personally the Warden as his personal guest and friend for a celebration dedicated to those heroes of kal'hirol as well as to the warden who found those memories,so pretty much this is friendship not just favor for favor.

[Joseph Warrick]

Your sir may go right ahead a pitch your idea on "how to make on hell of a boring game" to a developer of your choice.

 

Shepard didn't become the head of the galactic council or the president of the systems alliance. Shepard isn't the head of any organization.

 

Mass Effect isn't boring.

 

Thanks. Play again!

[Dabrikishaw]

The real reason the Inquisitor couldn't become Divine was the possibility of a Male Qunari being accepted as Divine in-universe was too lore breaking for Bioware, so they removed the option altogether. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

 

I completly agree with madfox11.

First, unlike Orlais Ferelden is ruled under several arle,bann and two Theirn.

A title alone it's ultimately not sufficient to allow to a certain noble  (the sovereign queen in this case) to extend their power over the whole nation

 

Queeen and King as i said are most important figure in the country and their domain is entire country

So your statement here on the top cannot be applied to Fereleden

 

Even if Cailan was the sovereign king he didn't had the power to order to Arle Howe to surrender just because of his title superiority,he would have need to beat him and beat his region as well by force as he intended to do (proof his banter to the Human noble at Ostagar)

The network of influence as well as the political scheme and allies are more important.

For the king consort have the thieirn of Gwaren and the Arle of Amaranthine under his control as well as being the brother of the Theirn of Highever are simply thing that Anora cannot outmatch,given the fact that she didn't accumulated a good reputation in DAI after the whole mage issue(she alone is responsible),as well as her family particularly her father may have affected the opinions of the nobles on the Mac tir family.

Being close to the Divine is just another power boost of influence that cannot be ignored,Leliana knows a lot of People in Orlais as well as in Ferelden and the chantry itself is a powerful organization that has link in all the nations of the south,so being close to a Divine who knows many people is just another advantage..

The king of Orzamar (particularly Bhelen who is the one who don't die) is a friend of the Warden not just someone who how a favor to him,at the golem of agmarrak Jerrick  was adviced by the king of Orzamar (Bhelen)  to contact the HoF which was a friend for him.

in DAA if the memories of the heroes dwarves are retrieved it is stated in the epilogues that the king again invited personally the Warden as his personal guest and friend for a celebration dedicated to those heroes of kal'hirol as well as to the warden who found those memories,so pretty much this is friendship not just favor for favor.

 

 

And? That is not important, king/queen is most important figure in Ferelden and as your statement reinforces their domain is entire Ferelden.While monarch requires support of nobles both in Orlais and Ferelden monarch once again is still most important figure in entire country. Except he would at least technically that Howe would refuse obey crown is another matter , if i refuse to obey the law and surrender in hands of authorities and they will have to beat the crap out of me doesn't mean authorities doesn't not have power and legal right to do so...  no matter system of the country if someone will refuse abide by its rules, country will have to beat the crap out of them first plain and simple.

 

She can once again Anora have vast support from nobility even before you show up and this is in case until Inquisition.That you are Therin doesn't mean you have greater authority than Queen because in fact it doesn't because monarch is bigger fish and officiates in entire Ferelden you only over part of it ,also that your bother is Therin doesn't mean he is your puppet ,and Amaranthine is in hands of grey wardens and isn't personal property of Hof.Once again Leliana can't do anything because her power doesn't extent in matter of the crown and nations she may know people but doesn't mean she have control over nation because as we can see with Justinia she didn't and Leliana was at her side. 

Where you have evidence that King of Orzammar is friend of HoF because i don't recall him being pals and hanging out , all i recall is that King owed HoF favor for putting them on the Throne.Also Behlen and Harrowmont didn't told Jerrik to find you because you are friends only because you specialize in impossible tasks and Jerrik even told you that was reason (pretty much finding anvil).

Epilogue in awakening is for every warden including Orlesian warden and it doesn't say King invited warden as a their friend only he was invited as guest of honor in ceremony to honor dwarves that died in KalHirol because you reclaimed names. So pretty much you once again added something from you that wasn't in case. 

[Lebanese Dude]

The real reason the Inquisitor couldn't become Divine was the possibility of a Male Qunari being accepted as Divine in-universe was too lore breaking for Bioware, so they removed the option altogether. 

 

They could have theoretically given the option to the female Human inquisitor specifically if they didn't want to break the lore. This has precedent. For example, only Couslands could become monarchs.

 

The issue this brings is that it would prevent BioWare from having bounded possibilties for the Divine in Orlais in future installments. Cassandra, Leliana, and Vivienne are all concrete. Each has a few variations but they're still limited compared to the massive potential variation in the Inquisitor from their race to their personality.

 

Although the next installment is likely to be in a different area such as Tevinter, the events in DAI are still very relevant, at least from a lore perspective. Furthermore, there may be significant gameplay consequences as well we don't know about.

 

It's highly possible that the entire point of blocking the Inquisitor from becoming Divine is so that they don't limit themselves too much. Becoming a Divine would essentially bound the player to the role after the events of DAI's base game. Perhaps they have bigger plans than that, rather than hand-wave and allow the player to become the first Divine in history to abdicate or go to trial or whatever.

 

Some people have good arguments for why it should have happened. In my opinion, it can go either way. Ultimately BioWare decided against it for a variety of reasons, some of which we know nothing about.

 

So the question isn't "Why can't the Inquisitor be the Divine?", but rather "Why did BioWare not give that option?". That's a question that will most likely never be answered, just as the question on why BioWare has not included a hunky gay knight in shining armor yet. It is what it is.

[Aren]

Inquisitor could have been a Divine but it shoud have been only an option for human female believer.

And? That is not important, king/queen is most important figure in Ferelden and as your statement reinforces their domain is entire Ferelden.While monarch requires support of nobles both in Orlais and Ferelden monarch once again is still most important figure in entire country. Except he would at least technically that Howe would refuse obey crown is another matter , if i refuse to obey the law and surrender in hands of authorities and they will have to beat the crap out of me doesn't mean authorities doesn't not have power and legal right to do so...  no matter system of the country if someone will refuse abide by its rules, country will have to beat the crap out of them first plain and simple.

 

She can once again Anora have vast support from nobility even before you show up and this is in case until Inquisition.That you are Therin doesn't mean you have greater authority than Queen because in fact it doesn't because monarch is bigger fish and officiates in entire Ferelden you only over part of it ,also that your bother is Therin doesn't mean he is your puppet ,and Amaranthine is in hands of grey wardens and isn't personal property of Hof.Once again Leliana can't do anything because her power doesn't extent in matter of the crown and nations she may know people but doesn't mean she have control over nation because as we can see with Justinia she didn't and Leliana was at her side. 

Where you have evidence that King of Orzammar is friend of HoF because i don't recall him being pals and hanging out , all i recall is that King owed HoF favor for putting them on the Throne.Also Behlen and Harrowmont didn't told Jerrik to find you because you are friends only because you specialize in impossible tasks and Jerrik even told you that was reason (pretty much finding anvil).

Epilogue in awakening is for every warden including Orlesian warden and it doesn't say King invited warden as a their friend only he was invited as guest of honor in ceremony to honor dwarves that died in KalHirol because you reclaimed names. So pretty much you once again added something from you that wasn't in case. 

Unlike most kingdoms, power does not reside exclusively with the nobility. Rather, it arises from the support of the freeholders and even the king/queen are not the unchallenged ruler. For many centuries the nobility has gathered annually to hold the Landsmeet, a council which functions as the official legislative body of Ferelden and it can even override the king or queen on any matter of law.

source

http://dragonage.wik.../Arling#Regions

Of what legal right are you referring to? 

The several regions of Ferelden are ruled by ancient noble families,obviously this is also  the case of Amaranthine that was under the control of the Howe family.

In order to deprive the Arle Rendon Howe of its power on the region Cailan needed to beat him and his forces as he intended to do,possibly with the support of the others nobles,since pretty much Amaranthine was his possession as well as of his family for centuries.

There is no legal right that allow the crown to deprive the nobles of their lands,especially the most powerful Arle and Theirn.

Now Amaranthine is a land governed and owned by the Warden commander since the warden is declared to be also the  Arle of Amaranthine like Rendon Howe.

I don't understand as for why after all those examples in which the king of Orzammar and the warden were together and shared a strong partnership they shouldn't be considered friends,just because "is the same outcome with the Orlesian warden" which is ultimately not even an argument.

Did Bhelen personally told to you that he didn't consider the warden consort of Ferelden as a personal ally and friend after all those times that they help each other and after that probably they were on the same table to eat and drink on that celebration? Considered also Bhelen strong attitude to want to increase the commerce between orzammar and the surface,what better way than having a king as friend? 

The absence of an evidence is not an evidence.

 

 

 

 

 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Unlike most kingdoms, power does not reside exclusively with the nobility. Rather, it arises from the support of the freeholders and even the king/queen are not the unchallenged ruler. For many centuries the nobility has gathered annually to hold the Landsmeet, a council which functions as the official legislative body of Ferelden and it can even override the king or queen on any matter of law.

source

http://dragonage.wik.../Arling#Regions

Of what legal right are you referring to? 

The several regions of Ferelden are ruled by ancient noble families,obviously this is also  the case of Amaranthine that was under the control of the Howe family.

In order to deprive the Arle Rendon Howe of its power on the region Cailan needed to beat him and his forces as he intended to do,possibly with the support of the others nobles,since pretty much Amaranthine was his possession as well as of his family for centuries.

There is no legal right that allow the crown to deprive the nobles of their lands,especially the most powerful Arle and Theirn.

Now Amaranthine is a land governed and owned by the Warden commander since the warden is declared to be also the  Arle of Amaranthine like Rendon Howe.

I don't understand as for why after all those examples in which the king of Orzammar and the warden were together and shared a strong partnership they shouldn't be considered friends,just because "is the same outcome with the Orlesian warden" which is ultimately not even an argument.

Did Bhelen personally told to you that he didn't consider the warden consort of Ferelden as a personal ally and friend after all those times that they help each other and after that probably they were on the same table to eat and drink on that celebration? Considered also Bhelen strong attitude to want to increase the commerce between orzammar and the surface,what better way than having a king as friend? 

The absence of an evidence is not an evidence.

 

What pretty much equals what i have said , power of the Monarch also comes from support of nobility that also owns (pretty much as it is done in Orlais with that nobles have more legal power in Ferelden) lands , king is still on the top of food of chain but if nobles unite against king they can override King/Queen will.I was refering simply to punishing noble (in that case) for breakign law what King was in position and had right legally to do.Once again if someone breaks law and will refuse to be prosecuted by the authorities regardless of the system of the country authorities will have to use force,thus even if Howe was in Orlais and he went rouge against empress she would still have to bring him down as she had pretty much to do with Gaspard.They can strip nobles of their land and wealth pretty much as it was done with with Howes that were given to grey wardens by crown, same for Loghain .   

 

Because those aren't evidence and examples of being friends , the only partnership they had is putting King on the Throne and that is it what equals favor nothing more , examples you gave have nothing to do with friendship or king at all. It matters that orlesian warden also have same epilogue because Orlesian warden wasn't even involved with king showing even further that this epilogue has nothing to do with being friends or having any sort of personal relationship with king.No he didn't but he didn't also told me s/he is his friend nor there is any evidence of them being friends , pretty much this epilogue even doesn't mention King in any way let alone being buddies with the warden so as far goes it is your only personal wishes and imagination.

 

The lack of evidence means you can't support your claims in any way making them nothing more than your personal wish.As well i may claim that Goldana loves Alistair while being unable to support it in any way.