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[JasonPogo]

So thinking about the story of DAI I was thinking the game should have really had a companion/friend that knew the Inquisitor before the events of the game.

 

I mean no matter what race you pick you are either like a fourth born son/daughter, a random circle mage, a smuggler, a mercenary, or a Dalish.  Then all of a sudden you are this holy figure at the head of the Andrastian faithful.  All your companions only see you as this Inquisitor.  They all just accept that you are this super special person.

 

It would have been nice to have that one character who knew you back when you were nothing.  Someone you could have sat down with and discussed how absurd it is that you are the Herald of Andraste.  Someone who can remind you of the time you peed your pants when you are getting to much of a big head. 

 

Just think this would have added allot to the game.

[nightscrawl]

Responses to this will vary from person to person. There are also people who would have liked a more fleshed out origin story for similar reasons that you describe. I am not one of those people. I like that the Inquisitor is basically a blank canvas with some minor background information, that I can build off of myself, including the events at the Conclave.

 

If there were an NPC as you describe, I think it would lessen some of the role-play options (depending on what the person said). I rather doubt that such a character would be limited to only remarking about how weird it is that you are now the Herald of Andraste. Also, what if your character is super devout? It might instead be appropriate to jokingly say that, "of course you are the one who would be chosen," and so forth. But that also comes down to role-play.

[Gervaise]

That only really works if you have a single character offered, like with Hawke, where you have their brother or sister to remind you of what you once were.    That is the trade off in having different races with different backgrounds.   You can't really have an established companion because that person would have to vary according to where you originated.   On the whole I prefer having the different races, with totally different backgrounds, so am happy that as a result you don't have any real link with your past outside of a few war table missions.     Of course, what I liked best was what we had in Origins.    So we saw a bit of where we came from, then had to leave it behind but at the end someone does turn up to acknowledge that link.

[Nonoru]

While in theory it seems interesting and a convenient tool, I'm not sure most people would appreciate another character forced upon the Inquisitor like the Hawke family. It kinda kills the point of origin backgrounds. 

[themikefest]

Maybe the next game will have that. I wouldn't be against it.

[Tidus]

Well...Some times I wonder if my Inquestitor fell from the breach and becomes Andraste's chosen in the eyes of the people. The hero's friend could join the group at a later time in the game.

 

A female voice cries out: Tidus! Tidus! Is that you?

 

Tidus: Maker's breath.. What are you doing here Camine?

 

See how easy a friend could be added?

[ComedicSociopathy]

A better American Female VA. 

[nightscrawl]

Well...Some times I wonder if my Inquestitor fell from the breach and becomes Andraste's chosen in the eyes of the people. The hero's friend could join the group at a later time in the game.

 

A female voice cries out: Tidus! Tidus! Is that you?

 

Tidus: Maker's breath.. What are you doing here Camine?

 

See how easy a friend could be added?

 

They would also have to create a character for each background, so that is four additional NPCs to design -- appearance, voice, unique dialogue -- as well as the corresponding responses from the PC relating to the unique origin. And if they didn't have those unique dialogue options, what would be the point in the first place?

 

And you say a friend, but we the player, or our PC are not guaranteed to like this NPC. So you then have the issue where this person is forced on us, and we are told that we like them, which is irritating. For example, in the DAO mage origin we are supposed to be good friends with Jowan and the game presumes that when you first meet him. Sure, you can be an a-hole later on if you want, but the presumption is still there at the outset.

[Tidus]

Nightscrawl,I don't use Sten or Shale except twice in DA:O.. They're there if needed but,I just don't care for them. I seldom use Wynne or Alistair after Zevran joins. In DA:2 I stop using Anders after  Valanna joins the party.

 

It would be no big deal to write in a friend as something different...

 

The PC would more then likely enjoy  a friend since he/she is surrounded by comrades he doesn't know all that well. 

[shortbreadspacer]

They would also have to create a character for each background, so that is four additional NPCs to design -- appearance, voice, unique dialogue -- as well as the corresponding responses from the PC relating to the unique origin. And if they didn't have those unique dialogue options, what would be the point in the first place?

 

And you say a friend, but we the player, or our PC are not guaranteed to like this NPC. So you then have the issue where this person is forced on us, and we are told that we like them, which is irritating. For example, in the DAO mage origin we are supposed to be good friends with Jowan and the game presumes that when you first meet him. Sure, you can be an a-hole later on if you want, but the presumption is still there at the outset.

IIRC, I played it pretty recently, in the mage origin in DAO the "*******" dialogue options are there from the get go with Jowan. So he could just be some annoying asshat that thinks you're his friend for some reason. I never felt like the game forces him on you as a buddy. And you can mock his relationship and refuse to help him and turn him in. You can also treat Tamlen poorly from the outset, and Shianni. Cousland...well, we know what happens there. I can't speak to the dwarven origins, haven't played those.

[nightscrawl]

^ @ Both. Well, fine. But as I said in my first post, it's pretty much a personal preference. I prefer no ties to the origin beyond a codex entry, whereas others want something more concrete.

[Tidus]

After thought.. It would have been nice to 'bump' into Shianni on one  of the trips to Denerim in a cut scene and be given the option for her to join the party. She is a archer. Having a friend to join the party  could be a option in any future DA game.

 

I would gladly trade Sten for Shianni any time. At least I would use her more.

[Abyss108]

We already had nine companions this time!

 

You want Bioware to write an extra four? Three of which you won't even meet in any given game?

[Tidus]

We already had nine companions this time!

 

You want Bioware to write an extra four? Three of which you won't even meet in any given game?

 Scrap one of those 9 companions for a friend-easy enough.

 

 I find some of those forced companions useless most of the time.

 

How easy would it been to write (say) Sera as a friend of the Dalish Elf? Its no big deal to add a friend instead of a useless companions that some never use.

[GoldenGail3]

Scrap one of those 9 companions for a friend-easy enough.
 
 I find some of those forced companions useless most of the time.
 
How easy would it been to write (say) Sera as a friend of the Dalish Elf? Its no big deal to add a friend instead of a useless companions that some never use.

My Dalish Quiz happened to like Sera as a friend. He's a very special athiestic though, he got along well with both Solas and Sera, by loving spirts and the fade (for Solas), being a smart Arse Troublemaker (for Sera).... Back to the original topic.

Image I'd like it this idea. I'd love it to past a girlfriend or boyfriend/friend/ or even sibling of the current progie. In any case, Artemis's would be his daughter, Summer. He's had a kid before hand (or so I headcount) so I guess he'd really want to see her again before leaving. Or even the Keeper would be good enough for my Female Lavellen. My Canon Quiz would be want one of her teachers at Ostwick. My Male Warrior Trev would like to see his dad once more before he went away. My Cadash's would probaly see there duster partners before going. I would like to pick what I got actually, so that I'd get the fullest idea of an Orign.

[Abyss108]

 Scrap one of those 9 companions for a friend-easy enough.

 

 I find some of those forced companions useless most of the time.

 

How easy would it been to write (say) Sera as a friend of the Dalish Elf? Its no big deal to add a friend instead of a useless companions that some never use.

 

You would have to scrap four of them.

 

The resources to add these new companions don't come from nowhere. If you need to write four companions, one for each origin, that's four other companions that are going to get cut.

 

And you might think Sera is useless, but a lot of people like her. If you cut her, or make her exclusive to Dalish elves, you've also removed one of the two romance options for a lesbian character. You then cut three other characters, you may have just ensured people need to choose a certain race just to have any options at all! I certainly don't want to be told I need to play a dwarf or I can't have the choice to romance someone in the next game. (And most players wouldn't even know this before creating their character...)

[duckley]

I would have liked a more fleshed out story of the Inquisitor's beginnings - I think a lot of people noted this. I wonder if the decision to expand races limited the time and resources to add more about the pre-Inquisition Inquisitor.

[Tidus]

You would have to scrap four of them.

 

The resources to add these new companions don't come from nowhere. If you need to write four companions, one for each origin, that's four other companions that are going to get cut.

 

And you might think Sera is useless, but a lot of people like her. If you cut her, or make her exclusive to Dalish elves, you've also removed one of the two romance options for a lesbian character. You then cut three other characters, you may have just ensured people need to choose a certain race just to have any options at all! I certainly don't want to be told I need to play a dwarf or I can't have the choice to romance someone in the next game. (And most players wouldn't even know this before creating their character...)

 

Sera would be the last one I would cut..She adds zip to the story with her comments. I don't do the gay thing but,still she could be a friend of the Dalish Elf and still be like she is and not change a thing.  My wife and I was friends for  several years before we became romantically  involved.

 

I know upgrading RPGs would meet with jeers and boos but,its well past time there is a upgrade of characters instead of  strangers saving the world.

 

Final Fantasy 12 had two friends in the group Vaan and Penelo and the same could be done in Dragon Age just as easily. Penelo  joins the group later in the game after being rescued.

[Abyss108]

Sera would be the last one I would cut..She adds zip to the story with her comments. I don't do the gay thing but,still she could be a friend of the Dalish Elf and still be like she is and not change a thing.  My wife and I was friends for  several years before we became romantically  involved.

 

I know upgrading RPGs would meet with jeers and boos but,its well past time there is a upgrade of characters instead of  strangers saving the world.

 

Final Fantasy 12 had two friends in the group Vaan and Penelo and the same could be done in Dragon Age just as easily. Penelo  joins the group later in the game after being rescued.

 

I think you missed my point...

 

If Sera is now the "Dalish friend" companion, she has been cut for anyone which does not play as a Dalish Elf. Those players now miss out on the archer character for their team. Anybody who does "do the gay thing" has lost one of only two options, probably without even knowing it, as most people won't look this sort of thing up online. 

 

And what if Sera isn't the type of person my character would ever befriend? Why do I have this character I hate following me about, telling me she's my best friend?

 

We need four "friend companions", so every origin has one. So that's four specs the player would miss out on, with no warning to know which ones they are choosing to lose. They also might end up with no options to romance.

 

It's a lot easier to do something like that in FF where you have a set protagonist with a set personality.

 

It's possible you could get all the friend companions, but would just get a bit of extra dialogue with the one from your origin. That might work. But not a full, unique, companion.

[rapscallioness]

I would have liked it.

 

One thing I liked about DAO was that after they had the origin set up, you actually had to go back to the origin later in the game. It was really cool because you got to see how things had changed; how you have changed; how their view of you has changed; and also get to see old friends.

 

It was great when I could have some bottles of wine with Shiani, or see the Dalish again. It was very weird going back to Orzammar has the -wrongly accused-exiled princess. They were all areas you had to go to anyway, but one of them being your origin made it more interesting.

 

So, even if it isn't necessarily an old friend as a companion, it was still nice to have some real connection with the world in an in game way for my characters.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

I mean no matter what race you pick you are either like a fourth born son/daughter, a random circle mage, a smuggler, a mercenary, or a Dalish.  Then all of a sudden you are this holy figure at the head of the Andrastian faithful.  All your companions only see you as this Inquisitor.  They all just accept that you are this super special person.

The difficulty is they'd either need to vary this character a lot, or create one character who could credibly have known all these different backgrounds. Either Trevelyan could have known a human noble, and while this would be pushing it it's not 100% incredible that that same human noble would have made enough use of a smuggler or mercenary to know the smuggler/mercenary's kid, but such a character would not reasonably know the Dalish.

 

As everyone else seems to agree, this isn't really workable the way Inquisition wound up working. Although most of them (except the Dalish elf) could credibly have already known someone from the party: Cassandra could know Trevelyan since Trevelyan was either a Circle mage or expected to join the Chantry, Bull could have credibly known Adaar, and Varric could have credibly known either Cadash or Adaar. Sera could maybe have known Cadash. But neither Solas nor Sera would know the elf, and they're the ones who you'd most expect to.

[wright1978]

I wouldn't have been against it. I loved Hawke and the dynamic that came from having that sister/brother to clash with/protect.

 

It would have required either a single race rather than racial choice or at the very least a single background that could accomodate all racial choices.

[Andraste_Reborn]

One thing I liked about DAO was that after they had the origin set up, you actually had to go back to the origin later in the game.

 

While it was certainly cool when it happened, that's not true for all of the origins - you never go back to Highever after the introduction, and you don't see Mahariel's Dalish clan again until DA2. (Mind you, Cousland was compensated somewhat by having a very personal reason to kill Arl Howe. And ironically, the Dalish origin that seemed so disconnected from anything in DAO has turned out to be the most significant in the long run because of the eluvian, the clan reappearing in DA2 and all the revelations about Dalish history.)