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[Scarlett]

Nope.

I think merrill is an honest and nice person but she wants to do things the wrong way. And too much weird stuff with blood magic.... I can't support her.

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

Hell to the no.

[Obadiah]

It's a noble goal, but over time she seems to be sacrificing too much in pursuit of it.

 

[dragonflight288]

I do. Inquisition and Masked Empire prove she's right about them and Merethari dead wrong. 

[Ghost Gal]

Yes.

 

If Morrigan can repair an eluvian and the authors, narrative, and fanbase can treat her as knowing exactly what she's doing, then Merrill can do it too. (Why is it that when a human does it everyone assumes she knows what she's doing, but when an elf does it they assume she doesn't know what she's doing?)

[GoldenGail3]

Yes.
 
If Morrigan can repair an eluvian and the authors, narrative, and fanbase can treat her as knowing exactly what she's doing, then Merrill can do it too. (Why is it that when a human does it everyone assumes she knows what she's doing, but when an elf does it they assume she doesn't know what she's doing?)

But Meriil hasn't fixed a Eluvian yet though and Morrigan has.

[Reznore57]

Yes.

 

If Morrigan can repair an eluvian and the authors, narrative, and fanbase can treat her as knowing exactly what she's doing, then Merrill can do it too. (Why is it that when a human does it everyone assumes she knows what she's doing, but when an elf does it they assume she doesn't know what she's doing?)

 

Merrill doesn't know what she's doing , she thinks she's rebuilding an elven telephone , not an actual portal leading to who knows where.

And Morrigan isn't shown as always knowing what she's doing either , in DAI you see her get trolled if she drinks from the Well , and her mother troll her again saying "Everything you do , you do it because I raise you this way ".Morrigan doesn't even understand what an Old God is , and she got pregnant with one.

Actually Flemeth tells both Morrigan and Merrill they have no idea what they're doing.

[Catilina]

I don't supported. Because its seems dangerous and foolish.

 

I supported. Because i understand Merril's interest, and what trouble can fom it? More demon? In Kirkwall? Kirkwall full of mads and demons. One more or less does not matter. It fits well into the environment.

 

I supported. Because dangerous and foolis things are interest. (Other arguments, see the previous paragraph!)

 

I supported. Because this is annoyed Fenris AND Anders. Both. A beautiful friendship can based on it...   (Other arguments, see the previous paragraph!)

[Inkvisiittori]

I support Merril, but my Hawke did not. The sad thing is that Merril really has no idea what she is doing. She has sacrificed everything to fix one corrupted Eluvian - and she has summoned a demon to help her do it. Now Marethari could have been wrong when she claimed that the demons plan was to harm Merril. She didn't seem to know much about demons or blood magic, and Sabrae clan had rather superstitious views on magic in general. But we still cannot be certain. Merril is obsessed with the mirror and she doesn't even know if it's actually going to help her people or not. Her entire clan might be dead because of this. Was it worth it?

 

I love my dalish Inquisitor, but it seems like the dalish are doomed.

[dragonflight288]

But Meriil hasn't fixed a Eluvian yet though and Morrigan has.

 

Morrigan hasn't fixed one at all. She activated one. 

 

Merrill has built one from scratch, as per the devs. She just needs to figure out how to activate it. 

 

 

O.O

 

No it doesn't!

 

Merethari says in Act 2 that it'll bring back the taint that took Mahariel and Tamlen. It does not. Possessed Merethari says Merrill would have freed the demon with it after first freeing the demon herself. 

 

Inquisition and Masked Empire show it is a useful tool for rapid transportation and is outside the Fade itself.

 

The Qunari nearly wipe out all leadership of southern Thedas because of the tactical advantages they brought, Briala uses them to effectively transport elves and sabotage Gaspard and Celene's war. 

 

If the elves reclaimed the network and used it for trade, transportation and relaying information, it is a boon to anyone. There would no longer be a need to abandon mages if a clan has too many and can't afford to wait 10 years before the clans meet again, they can simply give an eluvian to every clan and relay information and people as required, or tactical retreats should a clan be in danger.

 

The advantages to the eluvian network are many and none of the risks of them are in any way related to what Merethari feared. That being the darkspawn and the demon on Sundermount. 

[Qun00]

I think the issue isn't so much about whether the eluvian is dangerous but the fact that it led Merril to blood magic.

If she abandons this goal then there is no more reason to be demon dealing.

[dragonflight288]

I think the issue isn't so much about whether the eluvian is dangerous but the fact that it led Merril to blood magic.

If she abandons this goal then there is no more reason to be demon dealing.

Merethati's less concerned with blood magic than she is the datkspawn taint in Act 2

[Qun00]

Merethati's less concerned with blood magic than she is the datkspawn taint in Act 2

I wasn't talking about Marethari.

[dragonflight288]

I wasn't talking about Marethari.

 

Very well. 

 

Let's do something else. If you oppose blood magic, then do you support blights? The only way to stop them is by making Grey Wardens and becoming a Grey Warden is blood magic. 

 

If you oppose blood magic then I suppose you oppose the templars carrying a mages phylactery, which is also a form of blood magic.

 

Blood magic does not necessitate a deal with a demon. It's heavily implied in Origins that Jowan learned from a book. The Warden can learn from a book in Awakening. Heck, a mage Warden can intimidate a desire demon into teaching him blood magic while making no deal at all. 

 

So if you oppose the eluvian because it led to blood magic, then do you also support Merethari's decision not to pool her power to cleanse the elvuain shard of the darkspawn taint with Merrill so blood magic would not be involved, or do you oppose Merethari's decision not to help Merrill cleanse the shard thereby eliminating the need for blood magic because for the Dalish lyrium is in short supply?

 

The first two questions may seem extreme comparisons but I am using them because without blood magic the world would have been destroyed in the first blight.

[Qun00]

I'm in favor of blood magic being used under special circumstances rather than freely.

Yes, any other option would make the decision to help her fix the eluvian far easier.

[Aren]

 (Why is it that when a human does it everyone assumes she knows what she's doing, but when an elf does it they assume she doesn't know what she's doing?)

Because Solas ruined their reputation

[dragonflight288]

I'm in favor of blood magic being used under special circumstances rather than freely.

Yes, any other option would make the decision to help her fix the eluvian far easier.

 

Okay then. 

 

But Merethari refused to help because she feared the darkspawn taint returning. She outright says this in Act 2. Merrill also says that if she had lyrium then she would've used that, but she didn't. 

 

Inquisition, Masked Empire and Trespasser make it very clear that whoever controls the eluvian network have a very large advantage in the ability to travel vast distances and relay information. 

 

If every clan had an eluvian then there would no longer be a need to wait every ten years before the clans meet. It would unify them as a culture so they may end up less clannish as we see they are becoming, it would completely eliminate the need for some clans to abandon mages if they have too many and can't afford to wait until the next time the clans meet, and it would have gotten Merrill's clan out of Kirkwall with ease as the need for halla would no longer be present.

 

So overall from what I see, the benefits of the eluvian network FAR outstrip the risks, and I thought this even when the nature of the eluvians were unknown, before Inquisition and Masked Empire came out. 

 

All the game and book did was confirm to me that Merethari's fears were dead wrong about the eluvians and Merrill was right to pursue it, research and study it and try to build one and get it active.

 

Although, I do find it hilariously ironic that the Qunari were able to figure out how to use ancient elvish magic artifacts when all Tevinter could get out of them was a fancy telephone.

[GoldenGail3]

Morrigan hasn't fixed one at all. She activated one. 
 
Merrill has built one from scratch, as per the devs. She just needs to figure out how to activate it. 

Well, Merills Eluvian was seen in DAI though...

[dragonflight288]

Well, Merills Eluvian was seen in DAI though...

 

And it is inactive. Per the devs she built it from scratch.

 

Which means she needs to learn how to make a key and bind it to her eluvian in order to activate it and gain access to the eluvian network.

[Treacherous J Slither]

My man dragonflight putting in work!

Said everything I was gonna say.

Blood magic is awesome btw. To not use it is foolish.

[DebatableBubble]

I honestly have no words. This fandom has reached new levels of dumb.

[Aren]

And it is inactive. Per the devs she built it from scratch.

 

Which means she needs to learn how to make a key and bind it to her eluvian in order to activate it and gain access to the eluvian network.

Which is the main difference between her Eluvian and the one of Wh.

Her eluvian was new builded from scratch and as such there was  no key for it it needed to be created,imho a task that nobody beside an Evanuris could accomplish,the one of WH had a key it was inside that book.

[dragonflight288]

 

Which is the main difference between her Eluvian and the one of Wh.

Her eluvian was new builded from scratch and as such there was  no key for it it needed to be created,imho a task that nobody beside an Evanuris could accomplish,the one of WH had a key it was inside that book.

 

 

Or the knowledge of it was. 

 

A key doesn't need to be a physical item. It may simply be some kind of knowledge. It is true that probably only an evanuris could help her with that, but not necessarily if spirits of the Fade witnessed the construction, which in turn would mean turning to spirits for aid.

 

There was no veil at the time of the eluvian network's construction so it's very possible. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

 Merrill had the right idea: she was going to build the mirror, and make the demon pay for it.

[sniper_arrow]

 Merrill had the right idea: she was going to build the mirror, and make the demon pay for it.

 

Will the demon force Merrill for a discount?