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[Simfam]

All he wanted was to live a normal life.

 

Eating sandwiches.

 

And.

 

Licking hands.

[ObserverStatus]

There's also Kira, who's one of the best serial killers in fiction.

Nah, he's not moe enough, Yuno >

[Fidite Nemini]

I think someone fell for Google's search failure only spitting out the beat'em up game instead of the proper result.

 

Try searching for "JoJo's Bizarre Adventures wtfbbq" and it will spit out the source material as first search result (no kidding!).

[Panda]

Jojo will save ME

 

like it saved anime.

 

One Punch Man saved anime. You should know this.

[Liamv2]

That exactly why he was in the game, and why he was doing ridiculous cartwheels. Even his boss fights were reminisicent of JRPG's. He just did cartwheels while you fought his minions. It felt almost turn based.

 

Drew Karpyshyn wrote gold, in games and books. I know Drew was awesome. That is how he was shown in the game though. Also he was bad in Deception, but that sure wasn't Drew Karpyshyn. : )

 

Also I am not calling that particular game generic. I am saying that Bioware already did a pretty poor job doing JRPG type stuff. That is not there thing. Also not everyone likes JRPG's. The only JRPG's I like are MGS and Dark Souls and the latter for just game play and you will probably argue they aren't JRPG's. You will find a lot of people with the same tastes.

 

I liked Bioware games BECAUSE they were not like JRPG's. Why would I want to see them copy them lol. 

You need some Persona and Ar tonelico in your life dood.

[Deathjester929]

You need some Persona and Ar tonelico in your life dood.

 

Some of my best friends love Persona. I tried it on a friends PS I borrowed. 

 

It isn't that I have not tried any of these games. I do not like turn based fighting, I am not a fan of the the art style, I hate the sound, I hate the music. Oh and in Persona I hated the Jungian angle and I think Jung is one of the biggest crackpots who ever lived.

[Liamv2]

Some of my best friends love Persona. I tried it on a friends PS I borrowed. 

 

It isn't that I have not tried any of these games. I do not like turn based fighting, I am not a fan of the the art style, I hate the sound, I hate the music. Oh and in Persona I hated the Jungian angle and I think Jung is one of the biggest crackpots who ever lived.

 

It's like you hate reaching out to the truth or something.

 

Play Ar tonelico then.

[Deathjester929]

It's like you hate reaching out to the truth or something.

 

Play Ar tonelico then.

 

The truth? Jung was a crackpot who tried to relate alchemy and the moon and the sun to his "psychology" and people have the audacity to call that garbage "science". Sorry I am only interested in empirical science, not "magic/esoteric" systems under a veil. 

 

Just go become a rampant pagan and dance in the forest and try to pork some wildlife. Go all out like the ancients. Maybe join NAMBLA like the Greek philosophers would have, since those practices were considered a-ok back then. Bow to the sun and the moon. Have a blast. I will not be joining you.

 

Alchemy...truth...lol.

[Liamv2]

..................... I was referencing one of the names of the songs. Like the main battle theme. You know "I face out I hold out I reach out to the truth."

[Mr.House]

Some of my best friends love Persona. I tried it on a friends PS I borrowed. 

 

It isn't that I have not tried any of these games. I do not like turn based fighting, I am not a fan of the the art style, I hate the sound, I hate the music. Oh and in Persona I hated the Jungian angle and I think Jung is one of the biggest crackpots who ever lived.

How the hell can you hate tunes like this!?

[Just Here For Popcorns]

I have no clue what is point of this thread but I love it simply because it is better then 99% of threads roaming on forums right now xD

[Zekka]

Jojo is too gay even for Mass Effect 

[Deathjester929]

How the hell can you hate tunes like this!?

 

Easily. That song is all over the place and has no spacing. no buildup. I think Mass Effect Music blows it away. Also the instrument is not what makes something great or not. You appear to want to hear electric guitar rifts. Here you go. ME music is fantastic, and I do not think they should be looking at genres they have already surpassed. KOTOR music was very good as well, (and they probably had to stay inside a classical structure due to the Star Wars films/Lucas). Bastila's theme was downright beautiful. 

 

[Arcian]

Drew Karpyshyn is just as big of a hack as Mac Walters, he just had his awfulness hidden by the work of others.

Say what you want about Drew Karpyshyn, his writing chops are light years ahead of Mac Walters' and that's an objective fact.

[guigaccess]

I was about to say "WTF", but then I remembered my Inquisitor uses lipstick as a homage to JoJo, so...

[Mr.House]

Say what you want about Drew Karpyshyn, his writing chops are light years ahead of Mac Walters' and that's an objective fact.

Drews Revan is worse then anything Mac has ever did.

[Deathjester929]

Say what you want about Drew Karpyshyn, his writing chops are light years ahead of Mac Walters' and that's an objective fact.

 

 

 

Someone actually said that? My lord lol. Let's see. Games Drew was lead or co lead writer on. ME1, ME2. KOTOR 1 and he also wrote on Jade Empire. 3 of the best games ever made he was a lead. 

 

Games Mac Walters was lone lead on. Mass Effect 3. Oh and before people say things in ME 3 were good, or argue that some parts were really well done? Mac Walters did NOT write Tuchanka or Rannoch. So you are arguing for the start, the dreams, the Cerberus plot line/coup and the ending.

 

Tuchanka was Dombrow. Rannoch was Weekes and all Walters did was make them POINTLESS.

 

Mac Walters might be better in his new role (he is doing Casey Hudson's job) but as a lead writer? No. As a novelist? What novels has Walters wrote? 

 

Oh and the best news I saw regarding ME:A is that Dombrow is a senior writer. 

 

https://www.linkedin...dombrow-785a945

 

Chris Schlerf? I do not know why they hired him when they have people like Donbrow, but whatever. Maybe so they can put "writer of Halo" on the box (when all he did was 4) and the Halo 4 story was hardly universally loved.

 

I will give Chris the benefit of the doubt, since we have yet to see him write in the ME universe, but Walters? No. I do not want him near a pen again. Mac Walters was the ONE name I did not want to see attached to this project and he was promoted.

 

 

Drews Revan is worse then anything Mac has ever did.

 

Let me know when Walters even writes a novel. He can't even handle writing a good comic and he ruined what was basically thought to be bullet proof. I am TRYING to give this game the benefit of the doubt, but do not try to sell me snakeoil and promote the idea that Mac is the best thing to ever happen to ME. We know exactly what Mac did, and who wrote what.

 

 

[Mr.House]

Revan being a book has nothing to do with it as Mac never decided to spite someone he was jealous off and start a "my character is better" dick waving contest that Drew puilled towards Avellone. Even then I can easily use JK story and the four Revan flashpoints from TOR that makes 3 look gold.

 

Mac at worst has just been pretentious, faaar better then the crap Drew has been pulling the last few years.

[Deathjester929]

Revan being a book has nothing to do with it as Mac never decided to spite someone he was jealous off and start a "my character is better" dick waving contest that Drew puilled towards Avellone. Even then I can easily use JK story and the four Revan flashpoints from TOR that makes 3 look gold.

 

Mac at worst has just been pretentious, faaar better then the crap Drew has been pulling the last few years.

 

Mac has never even written a novel... He is at best a decent character writer (and I would argue Garrus was better AFTER it passed from his hands). He FAILED at the one game he was given lone creative lead on.

 

There are not a lot of game writers that can even write a really good novel. Drew has wrote MANY. When he stopped writing ME novels, they went to complete @$%#. Where is Walter's novel making them good again? Oh wait. He doesn't have the chops to write a novel.

 

Blame turning KOTOR into a MMO for mediocre writing. Add to that Bioware and Drew had nothing to do with KOTOR 2. With SWTOR they had to incorporate things they never even wrote. They also had to make basically every class the "hero", instead of just one character.

 

There is no such thing as great writing and an MMO. It is impossible. You can't have tons of protagonists, which also has to include every player. The best story in SWTOR was the one where it was separated from the force, cliche classes, the emperor and the main plot arc and where they could divulge from SW canon and do their own thing. Sith Agent. 

 

Revan? Drew was probably told he had to put Revan in to excite the fanbase, in a story where he didn't even fit and was no longer the protagonist. He also left the freakin company after that. I wonder why...

 

If they did make Revan the protagonist, then they take away from the player in the MMO feeling "heroic" and that he is the hero. It is doomed from being great writing to begin with, just like WoW. 

[Mr.House]

I like how you outright avoided the issue with how Drew treated The Exile and how it turned into Drew pissing on everything Avellone did because he was jealous.

 

Also the ME books where not that good, only one book that Drew did was good and that was the first Banes book and how he came back to Bioware after his freelancing failed.

[Lebanese Dude]

I approve of larger muscular features.

[RoboticWater]

Revan being a book has nothing to do with it as Mac never decided to spite someone he was jealous off and start a "my character is better" dick waving contest that Drew puilled towards Avellone. Even then I can easily use JK story and the four Revan flashpoints from TOR that makes 3 look gold.

 

Mac at worst has just been pretentious, faaar better then the crap Drew has been pulling the last few years.

I haven't played TOR or read the Revan novel (for fear that they couldn't possibly live up to Obsidian's work. I'm saddened that this is indeed the case), but Drew did have to follow Avellone. That's not an easy task, even for someone who actually worked on KoTOR II.

 

I do have to say though, I think that arguing over which writer is worse at their job seems a bit mean-spirited. They may have royally screwed up their respective duties, but I don't think bashing the character of these two people is very helpful for anyone. It's also more than slightly off topic. Though considering what being on topic would entail, I can't entirely blame you.

[Arcian]

Drews Revan is worse then anything Mac has ever did.

You must not have read Mac's Foundation comics, then.

[Deathjester929]

I like how you outright avoided the issue with how Drew treated The Exile and how it turned into Drew pissing on everything Avellone did because he was jealous.

 

Also the ME books where not that good, only one book that Drew did was good and that was the first Banes book and how he came back to Bioware after his freelancing failed.

 

Time for a lesson. 

 

1. KOTOR 2 sucked compared to KOTOR 1. There is a reason people have heavily modded it, just like they have heavily modded ME 3's ending. They both suck. I do not care if you like it more. You are not majority opinion or USER metacritic scores, that are empirical proof that it is not as well liked. Compare ME 1 to 3. Compare KOTOR to KOTOR 2. You are an outlier in the opinion you have and there are people who probably think Niki Minaj is a better singer than Whitney Houston was. Again. I don't care what some vast minority opinion is.

 

2. Drew Karpyshyn did not write all of SWTOR. Not even close. This is how the conversation probably went down about Revan and KOTOR and SWTOR.

 

Corporate. We need characters from KOTOR to sell this game.

Writers. That is a dumb idea. We separated ourselves from the Star War movies by thousands of years to escape that in the first place (This is the same thing they are doing with Andromeda). It is impossible to make people happy doing that.

Corporate. Give us relatives then.

Writers. Whatever, but this is still dumb. 

Corporate. Have to have Revan though.

Writers. Are you high? The player WAS Revan. This is a no win situation. If we make him too awesome, then the players feel like their current avatar is not cool. If we do not make him cool or influential enough on the story? They are mad about that. Heck we will prob have SJW's yelling that he is a guy in canon to.

Corporate. MUST HAVE REVAN. Must have book to make this lunacy make sense. Oh and KOTOR 2 has to tie in as well, even though you guys didn't make that. 

Writers. Fine.

 

Time passes.

Writers. See the players are mad Revan is not "cool" enough or super influential in the storyline. Told you.

Corporate. Ok maybe we were wrong, make Revan cooler, make him Space Jesus or something, I don't know.

Writers. But...he was one Jedi out of many. 

Corporate. DO IT. Hey Art team.

Art Team. Um yeah?

Corporate. REVAN CLOTHES/OUTFIT NOW, cartel packs.

Art Team. But doesn't that take even more from the character?

Corporate. Do it you idiots. Easy money from idiots who buy it.

 

Months later.

 

Mr House on Bioware forum. It is Drew Karpyshyn's fault. KOTOR 2 was better than KOTOR 1. Mac Walters who never wrote a novel, and never even wrote well received comics could do it better.

 

L O L.

[Arcian]

Mr House on Bioware forum. It is Drew Karpyshyn's fault. KOTOR 2 was better than KOTOR 1. Mac Walters who never wrote a novel could do it better.

 

L O L.

Well, KOTOR 2 is better written than KOTOR 1. Without Lucasarts insane deadline, Obsidian could have made KOTOR 2 surpass the first in every respect.